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[Medhia_Nox]

@vbibbi:  I won't pretend to know - but there are indications in the codexes that imply a concept like this.

 

- we know the evanuris hunted and killed Titans (and dwarves, their minions).

 

- we know they mined lyrium

 

- we know lyrium is the 'blood' or 'veins' of a Titan

 

- we know red lyrium is tainted by the Blight

 

- we have accounts of Andruil hunting "Forgotten Ones" which we know to be "wicked things that thrive in the abyss" - we know she put on an armor of the void, drifted into madness and her lands became plagued.  I believe it is not a far stretch at all to say that she hunted darkspawn - contracted the blight - as did her lands - and was cured of it by Mythal.

 

- we know that the Evanuris encountered foul things that scared them so deeply (think on that - it scared these beings) that they collapsed the mines leading to the lyrium and never spoke of it again. 

 

I believe that as revenge, or through some encounter with the Evanuris, a Titan or something akin to them (my thought is that the Titan's are tied to Thedas - and Thedas made the Blight - but that is PURE conjecture) became blighted... and created the darkspawn (which were first just blighted dwarves/genlocks?)

[Qis]

All you need is to get someone to spill the secret of the Joining and the Grey Wardens would be fairly irrelevant.

 

Yes, but as an organization they are powerful

 

It is like USA leaked own weapon design, what makes USA strongest is the military might, but if the technology leaked and bought by China, then China could rival USA. What i mean is as a country, USA is the strongest because of the military might. Info leak is irrelevent to this issue.

[CardButton]

Hmm... if you mean literally I would probably have to go with the Evanuris.  They were the most powerful mages of a time where the Fade was actually a part of the Physical world, I can only Imagine how powerful they were as a group (though I am curious to see how powerful the Ancient Tevinter Gods actually were).

 

In terms of long lasting influence in terms of strength ... probably the Andrastian chantry.  They created a remarkable amount of change over an extreme amount of time.  They literally shaped much of the world as we see it in current Thedas.  

[Ashagar]

Which one the first chantry which was headed by the Tevinter Archon, the later southern chantry created by Orlais which for a time absorbed the older Tevinter Chantry but couldn't destroy its traditions or the reborn Tevinter Chantry which is headed by the Black Divine?

[CardButton]

Which one the first chantry which was headed by the Tevinter Archon, the later southern chantry created by Orlais which for a time absorbed the older Tevinter Chantry but couldn't destroy its traditions or the reborn Tevinter Chantry which is headed by the Black Divine?

Hmm... perhaps it would be better to say "Andrastianism" as a whole.  The difference between Northern and Southern Andrastian (I may be proven wrong in the upcoming Graphic Novel and eventually DA4 if it ever comes to pass) seems to be matters of interpretations in regards to religious practices, more so then variances in those religious practices themselves. Like the "Magic is meant to serve man" bit, while it may be self serving for the Tevinter Chantry to claim that the way that Magic is serving man is by leading them, the Southern Chantry does this quite a bit as well with other teachings.

[Giantdeathrobot]

In history?

 

Probably the Elven empire of yore. The Evanuris must have been crazy powerful if Solas thought the Veil was a lesser evil. And since the rest of the empire weren't hamstrung by said Veil, they could probably perform magic that would make the Tevinters green with envy.

[vbibbi]

@vbibbi:  I won't pretend to know -

Oh come on, lie to me and pretend you have all of the answers!

 

 

- we know that the Evanuris encountered foul things that scared them so deeply (think on that - it scared these beings) that they collapsed the mines leading to the lyrium and never spoke of it again.

I either missed this codex or read it differently. Do you remember the location or title of this entry, so I can go back and read it? If this is the case, then I would definitely say the Blight is the strongest force in Thedas, and the world is only standing because it's unorganized and not unified except under an archdemon. Sounds like even if the Enuvaris were in charge when a Blight hit, things would go south quickly.

[CardButton]

Oh come on, lie to me and pretend you have all of the answers!

 

 

I either missed this codex or read it differently. Do you remember the location or title of this entry, so I can go back and read it? If this is the case, then I would definitely say the Blight is the strongest force in Thedas, and the world is only standing because it's unorganized and not unified except under an archdemon. Sounds like even if the Enuvaris were in charge when a Blight hit, things would go south quickly.

Here yah go vbibbi!  It's found in the Deep Roads portion of "Trespasser" behind an eluvian surrounded by Gatlock Casks.

 

http://dragonage.wik..._the_Deep_Roads

[vbibbi]

Here yah go vbibbi!  It's found in the Deep Roads portion of "Trespasser" behind an eluvian surrounded by Gatlock Casks.

 

http://dragonage.wik..._the_Deep_Roads

Thanks so much! I had read this but I think skimmed it as I wanted to see the end of Trespasser.

 

What's interesting is the last bit

"What the Evanuris in their greed could unleash would end us all. Let this place be forgotten. 
Let no one wake its anger. The People must rise before their false gods destroy them all." 

The mention of false gods to me sounds like the Old Gods of the Tevinter. Complicating matters as it weaves Titans with Old Gods with the Blight. Maybe Titans and Old Gods are one and the same?

[CardButton]

Thanks so much! I had read this but I think skimmed it as I wanted to see the end of Trespasser.

 

What's interesting is the last bit

"What the Evanuris in their greed could unleash would end us all. Let this place be forgotten. 
Let no one wake its anger. The People must rise before their false gods destroy them all." 

The mention of false gods to me sounds like the Old Gods of the Tevinter. Complicating matters as it weaves Titans with Old Gods with the Blight. Maybe Titans and Old Gods are one and the same?

Hmm... I was thinking that it perhaps referred to the Evanuris themselves.  They were false gods after all and they apparently did release something so horrible that it could mean the end of the world (the blight)?

 

My thoughts were considering the Evanuris were mining Titans, what if they tried to do something else with one?  What if they somehow corrupted a Titan and that is the origin of Red Lyrium which eventually led to the "Blight" itself (so the substance predates the disease)?  That would mean "the calling" of the blight is a corrupted version of the "Song of Stone" that the Dwarves hear.

 

As for the Dragon Old Gods ... I'm actually not sure what they are?  I'm starting to shift away from the idea that they are the Evanuris themselves, but I'm also starting to think they've been locked in their underground prisons FAR longer that the Chantry claims (perhaps locked away by the Evanuris or something else?)

[AlleluiaElizabeth]

I think "the People must rise before their false gods destroy them all." is a call to action to the ancient elves against the Evanuris by Solas. He refers to the Evanuris as false gods later on. And it says the Evanuris are the ones responsible for the thing that they had to cave in the tunnels to protect from, hence the "false gods destroy them all" thing.

 

I've subscribed to the theory for a while now that the Blight was essentially an immune response of the Titans against the invasive force of the Evanuris. But it went wrong. Like how cancer is ultimately your own body's cell growth/replacement system gone wrong. And their immune system ended up attacking their other cells, i.e. it infected the dwarves and made them ghouls and genlocks. Likely the Sha-Brytol went first since they had lyrium infused into them as a matter of course. 

[vbibbi]

Ah right, I was misreading the quote. Yes, in that context it does sound like the author is saying overthrow the Enuvaris.

[MrObnoxiousUK]

The Nug king laughs at these petty factions vying for supremacy. 

[Ariella]

@vbibbi:  I won't pretend to know - but there are indications in the codexes that imply a concept like this.
 
- we know the evanuris hunted and killed Titans (and dwarves, their minions).
 
- we know they mined lyrium
 
- we know lyrium is the 'blood' or 'veins' of a Titan
 
- we know red lyrium is tainted by the Blight
 
- we have accounts of Andruil hunting "Forgotten Ones" which we know to be "wicked things that thrive in the abyss" - we know she put on an armor of the void, drifted into madness and her lands became plagued.  I believe it is not a far stretch at all to say that she hunted darkspawn - contracted the blight - as did her lands - and was cured of it by Mythal.
 
- we know that the Evanuris encountered foul things that scared them so deeply (think on that - it scared these beings) that they collapsed the mines leading to the lyrium and never spoke of it again. 
 
I believe that as revenge, or through some encounter with the Evanuris, a Titan or something akin to them (my thought is that the Titan's are tied to Thedas - and Thedas made the Blight - but that is PURE conjecture) became blighted... and created the darkspawn (which were first just blighted dwarves/genlocks?)

Morrigan also observes two things that might be relevant:

Flemeth is somehow connected to the Blight. Which, if the story of Andruil and the armor holds any water would make sense.

And that the taint in the Circle Tower during Broken Circle looks much like darkspawn taint.

We also know that Seekers are immune to possession due to the Vigil, but it also seems they're resistant to red lyrium.

There's also the fact that demons are spirits warped from their purpose. What if that's what the Blight is, or a part of it anyway?

One other bit: the Claw of Dumat in the Fade at Adamant looks exactly like architecture found in two dwarven Thaigs. Bartrand's Folly, and Heidrun Thaig. Both predate the First Blight IIRC.

As for factions, saying Darkspawn are the most powerful faction in Thedas is somewhat like saying the Black Plague was the most powerful faction in Europe at the time. With few exceptions, darkspawn don't think. They need a guiding intelligence. Other than that, they're feral animals, very very nasty ferals, but feral none the less.

I'd say the Evanuris if only impact. Truth be told, we don't know all that much about the Old Gods and what they really are.

Good money says that's what we find out next. Interesting that Dumat taught humans a way to use magic that would not depend on Lyrium. Just one last thought.