I don't know. There's just something about his arrogance and evil that I find, somewhat, captivating.
Not as much as I'm going to miss that Krogan that you set fire to on the way to find Maelon.
ie, not at all.
That was probably unnecessarily snarky, but I just really can't wrap my head around the Harbinger love. It had potential to be interesting, I guess, but it was just a rehash of Sovereign, only its insults seemed somehow cheaper and pointless (and less well written - except for the speech at the very end of the Suicide Mission, that was Harbinger's only really good moment imo). Its big interest in Shepard had the opposite effect of making it a good villain too, it should have been totally aloof, except for the occasional insult/brag. I even find the fact that they made it the original Reaper kind of naff, to me it felt like it was an attempt to bring some kind of legitimacy to a character that otherwise had none.
About as much as I miss the Collector General, which is to say not in the slightest.
No. I think taunting ruined him. Sovereign was far better and intimidating.
I dislike over the top vilains
Harby had some funny sexual innuendo towards Shepard, but you never can take someone you shoot every ten seconds seriously.
No i'm not.
Glad he's gone
Sovereign was much better at least come down and fight me like a boss. Harbinger couldn't even shoot shepard standing in front of him.
Too bad Harbinger didn't fire on the Normandy during the what-the-crap evac scene. Up until that scene he's destroying everything, but along comes the Normandy, he doesn't fire. I did like him killing the two squadmates if ems was low enough. Too bad that didn't happen with higher ems
Is being a contradiction supposed to make it better? Because it's not working for me.Maybe if you play Mass Effect 3, you'll see that it's not what it's all about.
It makes sense for those who can understand what is a paradox. But I agree with what you are implicitly saying : not everyone can understand how the ending isn't a real contradiction.
So we did have Harbinger in ME3? I didn't notice.... 
So we did have Harbinger in ME3? I didn't notice....
He is the reaper at the end. Who kill everyone except Shepard and Normandy.
He is the reaper at the end. Who kill everyone except Shepard and Normandy.
Spoiler
I know man I was making a point in how poorly he was implemented into the plot hence the smile at the end 
I surely am not going to miss him one bit. Bye bye Harby. 
yes.harbinger was the best part of mass effect.
The Harbinger love always confuses me. He nonsensically taunts you by proxy for all of 2, then becomes a cutscene turret in 3. He never actually does anything interesting.
Sure there was potential, a deep voiced intimidating space cuttlefish could make a great villain, but they never delivered.
Exactly. I missed him in 3 and I have no reason to miss him now.
[Harbinger]
Best. Villain. Ever.
Wrong.
Maybe if you play Mass Effect 3, you'll see that it's not what it's all about.
It makes sense for those who can understand what is a paradox. But I agree with what you are implicitly saying : not everyone can understand how the ending isn't a real contradiction.
Oh, boy. Another pretentious "you just didn't get it" defense of the crappy ending. I played Mass Effect 3 and that's exactly what the end was about. I perfectly understood the "preservation" idea, but it was still terrible. It was introduced too late and was a poor job of mashing ideas better used by other stories. Additionally, the current cycle defied the Catalyst's premise, yet we had to just go along for the ride. Shepard doesn't defeat the Reapers; the Catalyst lets him choose.
Sure, the Catalyst was wrong about everything. What's wrong with the villain being wrong?
As for Harbinger disappearing, blame this board. The way most threads here went made it sound like he was considered a joke here after ME2; all the constant lame taunting and hiding behind puppets just didn't come across as the actions of a worthy opponent. I suppose the lesson here is that the Harbinger fans shouldn't have let the contempt of other posters shut them up.
Do you think it really could have been that? If so, that's so sad.
But it would make sense. Fans didn't like the Mako or inventory system of ME1, so it was removed outright instead of just fixed. Guess that could apply here.
I miss Sovereign. Now that was a villain.
Hmm, I agree. But I'm not entirely sure why I completely forgot him. Maybe because he was dead by the end of the first game?
The Geth worshiped him as a God, and Saren's weak will allowed his indoctrination to consume him without much effort.
Not to mention, that Sovereign never killed Shepard, but Harbinger did.
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Harbinger made that happen. And if it wasn't for that pro human shadow organization (Cerberus), there would be no Shepard in Mass Effect 2 & 3.
Thanks Illusive Man from reviving Shepard from Harbinger's death blow.
Sure, the Catalyst was wrong about everything. What's wrong with the villain being wrong?
As for Harbinger disappearing, blame this board. The way most threads here went made it sound like he was considered a joke here after ME2; all the constant lame taunting and hiding behind puppets just didn't come across as the actions of a worthy opponent. I suppose the lesson here is that the Harbinger fans shouldn't have let the contempt of other posters shut them up.
Nothing is wrong with the villain being wrong. The problem is that we don't get to expose it as wrong and go along with what it wants. It's still in charge.
Harbinger wasn't that great of a villain. The Arrival conversation was pretty good though. After that, Harbinger was still there as the major antagonist. Imagine Vader not showing up In Return of the Jedi except to ride the elevator with Luke and then leaving. They could have made him better (well maybe they couldn't) rather than just removing him without a story reason.
Do you think it really could have been that? If so, that's so sad.
But it would make sense. Fans didn't like the Mako or inventory system of ME1, so it was removed outright instead of just fixed. Guess that could apply here.
Yes, because fixing what's broken requires work.
yes.harbinger was the best part of mass effect.
Do you genuinely mean that?? I mean, to each his own, but I'm sorry, this opinion is literally incomprehensible to me. Liking Harbinger is one thing, but the best part of Mass Effect? Out of all the characters, stories, everything?
Exactly. I missed him in 3 and I have no reason to miss him now.
Wrong.
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Oh, boy. Another pretentious "you just didn't get it" defense of the crappy ending. I played Mass Effect 3 and that's exactly what the end was about. I perfectly understood the "preservation" idea, but it was still terrible. It was introduced too late and was a poor job of mashing ideas better used by other stories. Additionally, the current cycle defied the Catalyst's premise, yet we had to just go along for the ride. Shepard doesn't defeat the Reapers; the Catalyst lets him choose.
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