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[Quarian Master Race]

I don't know what game you played, but in ME1, Sovereign was a cackling bond villain. It literally gives you the bond villain speech, spewing nothing but total nonsense, and Shepard doesn't even take it seriously. In-game, Shepard isn't intimidated. Shep just spews a one liner "You're just a machine, and machines can be broken!"

Sovereign is a joke. Like Harbinger. Just a different kind of joke.

I don't know that it even was a different kind of joke. They both seemed less interested in actually carrying out the Reaper plan in a competent fashion, and more interested in smack talking Shepard, making things unnecessarily personal for absolutely no reason (which is what actually killed Sovereign unlike Harbinger), and in general bloviating about how much we suck.

Bond villian is the perfect descriptor. For me, they both generate more laughter than anything everytime they open their mouth.

[Xerxes52]

I like the VA: Keith Szarabajka.

[Seboist]

I don't know what game you played, but in ME1, Sovereign was a cackling bond villain. It literally gives you the bond villain speech, spewing nothing but total nonsense, and Shepard doesn't even take it seriously. In-game, Shepard isn't intimidated. Shep just spews a one liner "You're just a machine, and machines can be broken!" 

 

Sovereign is a joke. Like Harbinger. Just a different kind of joke. 

 

Yep, Sovereign had zero reason to even be talking to Shepard to begin with. It'd be akin to a human taking time out of his busy schedule to engage in dialogue with an ant.

 

The Rannoch reaper was no different that what he was either, just meaningless trash talking by some evil wizard type.

[ThomasBlaine]

I don't know if I'll miss Harbinger in particular, but the Reapers in general will be pretty hard to replace as villains. While the in-game encounters with them go back and forth, the idea behind them - ancient machine gods who harvest the apex of intelligent species in the galaxy for procreative purposes and exterminate the rest every fifty thousand years and has been doing so for hundreds of cycles - is insanely cool. Lovecraftian beats everything so far as bad guys go.

 

And I don't agree that they talk a lot of trash without backing it up, it seems more like they're just stating facts as they see them. When you've been regularly erasing civilizations from existence for millions of years without a hiccup it's hard not to be confident, not to mention that demoralizing all opposition is a main part of the overall strategy. When I hear Sovereign or Harbinger or the Reaper on Rannoch calmly state that my destruction is inevitable even while I kill them individually, it invariably sounds to me like something I have to prove wrong rather than something they have to prove right.

 

Also, in the Denial ending we clearly see that even having spoiled their starting gambit and gathered every bit of military power left in the galaxy against them in a coordinated attack, they're still unbeatable without the Catalyst.

[Ahriman]

 It'd be akin to a human taking time out of his busy schedule to engage in dialogue with an ant.

Honestly, if I could understand it I would. It probably won't understand that his anthill ruins my lawn, but I'd still listen it's lifeviews.

[Addictress]

Wow. Are you harbinger haters FACKING serious? The taunting... "This hurts you" and "Assuming control"... Literally THE must iconic and thrilling, defining aspect of the most cherished Mass Effect installment.

AND I DEFEND IT WITH MY LIFE.

[Synthetic Turian]

Wow. Are you harbinger haters FACKING serious? The taunting... "This hurts you" and "Assuming control"... Literally THE must iconic and thrilling, defining aspect of the most cherished Mass Effect installment.

AND I DEFEND IT WITH MY LIFE.

 

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[Quarian Master Race]

Wow. Are you harbinger haters FACKING serious? The taunting... "This hurts you" and "Assuming control"... Literally THE must iconic and thrilling, defining aspect of the most cherished Mass Effect installment.

AND I DEFEND IT WITH MY LIFE.

I don't know about any of that. ME2 had a lot more defining aspects that are remembered for better reasons (such as some of the companion centered missions). Harbinger is mostly remembered for the unintentional hilarity of its cheesy sex offender/dubstep voice, juxtaposed to how utterly useless it was in combat ("OUR POWER IS UNMATCHED" *dies from combat drone*)



 

[Natureguy85]

That's literally what he said, though. He said he has all of us, because "we exist because [they] allow it." You don't get more Bond Villain than that one. He saw us as being at his mercy, and was gloating (and using complete nonsense to gloat, too). 

 

It wasn't contempt. I don't shake my fist at ants and yell at them that I'm "beyond their comprehension". 

 

True. I always thought Sovereign was exaggerating the Reapers' actual strength for intimidation factor. It is "bond villain" in the sense that the only reason he has to talk to Shepard is that he wants to make sure the ants know how awesome he is and how insignificant they are. But that's common in fiction and it's not as if he's standing over Shepard, in a position to kill him, and failing to do so. That's what I more associate with that phrase.

[PlatonicWaffles]

Yes and no. Yes because I liked it in Mass Effect 2.

 

No because it's time to move on, and I this is coming from someone who has had over seven different Shepards with full replays of the entire Trilogy, DLC included.

 

If we're going to Andromeda I want there to be a complete clean slate story and character wise. That and I don't even know why they did what they did to it in ME3 where the reduced it to a set piece after bigging it up in its codex entry as the leader of the Reaper fleet and first Reaper.

[AlanC9]

Wow. Are you harbinger haters FACKING serious? The taunting... "This hurts you" and "Assuming control"... Literally THE must iconic and thrilling, defining aspect of the most cherished Mass Effect installment.
AND I DEFEND IT WITH MY LIFE.

My irony detector is broken. Can someone tell me if this was a joke?

[Lady Artifice]

 

Oh, boy.

 

[Quarian Master Race]

Oh, boy.

 

Can never be unheard now, right?

Hope you have fun in your next ME2 playthrough.

[Synthetic Turian]

 

[AlanC9]

Wow. That one's up there with that Kirk and Spock audio track.

[Arcian]

Still a better love story than Twilight.

[Addictress]

My irony detector is broken. Can someone tell me if this was a joke?

It's not a joke. Though delivered with irony, I do in fact sincerely believe..... no, know that in general the harbinger threats and persona in ME2 are iconic and give ME2 much of its character.

[Natureguy85]

It's not a joke. Though delivered with irony, I do in fact sincerely believe..... no, know that in general the harbinger threats and persona in ME2 are iconic and give ME2 much of its character.

 

Blech. So was the human Reaper, I suppose.

[Synthetic Turian]

Blech. So was the human Reaper, I suppose.

 

I wonder how a human reaper would fly in space. Arms to the side like Batman? Or arms to the front/back like Superman? Curled up in a ball?

[Natureguy85]

I wonder how a human reaper would fly in space. Arms to the side like Batman? Or arms to the front/back like Superman? Curled up in a ball?

 

Definitely like Superman, so it can punch spaceships.

 

Or from one of my favorite Youtube guys:

 

Squee913: "[A human shaped Reaper] would be a lot more useful than a giant squid."

 

Smudboy: "More useful to do what? Play football?"

[Synthetic Turian]

Definitely like Superman, so it can punch spaceships.

 

Or from one of my favorite Youtube guys:

 

Squee913: "[A human shaped Reaper] would be a lot more useful than a giant squid."

 

Smudboy: "More useful to do what? Play football?"

 

Great guy that smudboy. He tears apart Dragon Age Inquisition as well.

[Natureguy85]

Great guy that smudboy. He tears apart Dragon Age Inquisition as well.

 

I'm not surprised from the mixed response I've heard from people on these forums. I have not played DAI so I haven't watched.

[goishen]

We never actually fought Sovereign either.   So, for those people saying he was the best "villain", I would say no.  Antagonist and villain are two sides of the same coin.  But they are different. 

[AlanC9]

It's not a joke. Though delivered with irony, I do in fact sincerely believe..... no, know that in general the harbinger threats and persona in ME2 are iconic and give ME2 much of its character.

Glad I asked. It's always interesting to find out that other people like the very worst thing about something you liked for completely different reasons.

Edit: OK, Harbinger's not the very worst thing -- the human-Reaper's got a lock on that title.

[Natureguy85]

We never actually fought Sovereign either.   So, for those people saying he was the best "villain", I would say no.  Antagonist and villain are two sides of the same coin.  But they are different. 

 

You're right about the terms but wrong about the application. Villain means he's evil or bad. An antagonist is just someone who opposes the protagonist and doesn't say anything about evil intent. Forgive me using a kid's movie, but it's what comes to mind right now. Elsa from Frozen is an Antagonist to Anna's Protagonist role, but she could not be called a Villain. So Sovereign is both antagonist and villain. That you fight him directly or not is irrelevant.