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[Qun00]

He seems to know a great deal about history beyond Arlathan's time and shows a decent understanding of the different cultures of Thedas today.

Now, bear in mind that Solas had only lived in this age for one year when we first met him. One. He knew absolutely nothing about this new world when he woke up from his slumber.

I'd also imagine that he could only speak elven at first, though he currently can already speak the common tongue fluently.

Exploring the Fade helps, but I've never heard that you learn faster there.

[BansheeOwnage]

I was under the impression he wandered the fade during his slumber as well, but I don't think that was stated outright and I'm not sure if it's true or not. That would give him plenty of time to "watch empires crumble and dynasties fall", as well as learn the Common Tongue.

[Aeratus]

In his conversations, it is stated that the fade reflects the real world. For example, Solas states that he saw (the Fade's interpretation of) the Ostagar battle in DAO. The quote is:

 

"In the Fade, I see reflections created by spirits who react to the emotions of the warriors. One moment, I see heroic Grey Wardens lighting the fire and a power-mad villain sneering as he lets King Cailan fall. The next, I see an army overwhelmed and a veteran commander refusing to let more soldiers die in a lost cause."

 

So essentially, Solas has been in touch with Thedas through the lens of the Fade during all this time. 

 

Fade spirits/demons also speak the common tongue, since they are indirectly in touch with the real world. 

[sonoko]

Solas sleeping since the fall of Arlathan means that he spent all this time in the Fade, where one can see reflections of the real word events, interact with spirits and with dreaming mortals. So it's no wonder that he knows modern languages and is well-informed about the world's history.

[Medhia_Nox]

There's a plothole here - or Solas is simply lying (cause he lies about everything else).

 

You can't just travel the Fade and leave your body behind.  Solas says he's slept in ancient crypts... ruins... you name it so that he could explore those areas. 

 

So - he was likely awake... but, if he was awake... then why doesn't he have the power to use his orb?  

 

Yes, they could "solve" this plot hole by saying his servants moved his body... seems lame to me though.

[sim-ran]

Fadipedia

[Heimdall]

I expect he was able to glean information while he slept, at least an understanding of the language to start.

[Aeratus]

There's a plothole here - or Solas is simply lying (cause he lies about everything else).

 

You can't just travel the Fade and leave your body behind.  Solas says he's slept in ancient crypts... ruins... you name it so that he could explore those areas. 

 

So - he was likely awake... but, if he was awake... then why doesn't he have the power to use his orb?  

 

Yes, they could "solve" this plot hole by saying his servants moved his body... seems lame to me though.

 

When you enter the fade by dreaming, your body is still there. So you do leave your body behind.

 

The part about how Solas said he's slept in ancient crypts, ruins, etc. (as in he slept in more than one location) is an obvious lie. In one of his conversation dialogues, he says how he takes countermeasures against giant spiders while sleeping in ruins. But, obviously, if you're going to be sleeping for several thousand years, you'd need to worry about more than just giant spiders. In the haven romance scene, it is shown that Solas/Lavellan dreams up Haven while in Skyhold. Therefore, the location in the fade is not limited by your current geographical location. Maybe it might be so limited for normal mages, but it wouldn't have been limited for Solas, possibly the greatest dreamer of all time. 

 

So Solas was asleep, although only in one location, not at many different locations. From that one location, he visited many areas of the fade. 

[StaceysChain]

I pretty much agree with everyone saying Solas viewed the history of post-veil Thedas through memories in the Fade and by communicating with spirits. However I also suspect he visited the dreams of elves and mages to learn more about what exactly had happened to the world, his people and magic after he had created the veil. There's no doubt in my mind that he visited elves - whether modern or ancient - in their dreams to manipulate them into doing his dirty work, probably by convincing them with a promise of a better world for them - look at Felassan and his mission to get the key to Briala's eluvian and the agents who led Corypheus to the orb (although it's possible that Solas had awakened at this point). It's also possibly how he got some of his agents between the main game and Trespasser. 

[Gervaise]

The odd thing is that Solas has seen all these various past events and visited places as far away as Par Vollen in his trips around the Fade, yet he never picked up on anything to do with darkspawn, how archdemons can regenerate through body hopping and therefore that Corypheus might have been able to do that as well.    Corypheus being such an ancient magister and having previously entered the Black City (or somewhere like it in the Fade), you'd think that would be something to really interest Solas, or at least his friendly spirits who would pass on the information as a matter of interest.  

 

However, that aside, he is a dreamer and so can manipulate and travel the Fade in ways that other normal mages can't.    During such a long period of slumber he would have had sufficient time to pick up on modern languages and keep abreast of a fair amount of the cultural developments across Thedas.

[dailove]

I was under the impression he wandered the fade during his slumber as well, but I don't think that was stated outright and I'm not sure if it's true or not. That would give him plenty of time to "watch empires crumble and dynasties fall", as well as learn the Common Tongue.

[dailove]

He also tells you that he saw the battle of the fifth blight and saw the hero of fereldan and Alistair light the beacon while Loghain watched the king fall. Then he saw the hero slay the archdemon, so I agree, this leads me to believe that he walked the fade in all times and would have been aware of present times and language at least to a certain degree. He also did say that any outcome is possible in the fade, but that wouldn't have made him unable to learn during his dreams.

[Aren]

When you enter the fade by dreaming, your body is still there. So you do leave your body behind.

 

The part about how Solas said he's slept in ancient crypts, ruins, etc. (as in he slept in more than one location) is an obvious lie. In one of his conversation dialogues, he says how he takes countermeasures against giant spiders while sleeping in ruins. But, obviously, if you're going to be sleeping for several thousand years, you'd need to worry about more than just giant spiders. In the haven romance scene, it is shown that Solas/Lavellan dreams up Haven while in Skyhold. Therefore, the location in the fade is not limited by your current geographical location. Maybe it might be so limited for normal mages, but it wouldn't have been limited for Solas, possibly the greatest dreamer of all time. 

 

So Solas was asleep, although only in one location, not at many different locations. From that one location, he visited many areas of the fade. 

Solas was in the fade not in dream but physically,the spider of whom he was talking about were probably some type of demons

[Aeratus]

Solas was in the fade not in dream but physically,the spider of whom he was talking about were probably some type of demons

 

Where does it say that Solas was in the fade physically while he slumbered through the ages?

[Nonoru]

Spirits of wisdom shared their knowledge?

[DuskWanderer]

Solas probably learned of it from spirits. They do watch humans. I think that Solas, more capable of abstract reasoning, can understand and piece together what the spirits tell him and what it means in reality, since spirits don't think in complex tones.

[Qun00]

Spirits of wisdom shared their knowledge?

How did he learn so quickly.

Dear Maker, it's impossible to get everyone to pay attention. Some only bother reading the title, while others... just half the title it seems.

[Obsidian Gryphon]

I can also see how he initially viewed the others as not people, there's no personal interaction, he only sees the events / actions and interpret them as he would until he woke up and began to go among the others physically; see, speak to and understand why they do as they did. He probably didn't form any good opinion until he met Inquisitor and Co.

[Toasted Llama]

How did he learn so quickly.

Dear Maker, it's impossible to get everyone to pay attention. Some only bother reading the title, while others... just half the title it seems.

 

I don't know about you but my history teacher managed to teach me the events of WWII, spanning about a decade in about a year, probably less. A spirit sharing their knowledge is a much faster way to transfer information than just experiencing it.

 

So it's actually a pretty valid answer and your response was quite... rude.

[dailove]

Sola lies the whole game unfortunately, after you drink from the well while romancing him he yells at you for drinking from the well even though he didn't approve of Moeeigan drinking and said you should use the power. At this point you call him on not believing in the old gods and he says he doesn't believe they were gods, but does believe the existed as mages or spirits or something. Lies, he is one so makes no sense! I think he knew everything that was happening and had happened and just needed to maintain his lie. That is why he loved the inquisitor but could not commit to her

[KumoriYami]

I think that his agents also helped him with information. Like Felassan... who he unfortunately kills... *sigh* damn you solasssss!

[Nic Mercy]

Keep in mind that Solas is like Flemeth, he's a mortal carrying the spirit of an ancient being. He wasn't always Fen'harel and he says as much "Fen'harel came later". So when Fen'Harel merged with Solas the way Mythal merged with Flemeth, he gained access to Solas's memories and experiences and learned as Solas learned from that point forward.

[myahele]

I thought he was in a "dreamless" slumber until he was awoken?

 

In either case, probably learned as much as he could from dreaming and speaking with spirits. He did see when the Warden lit the tower. 

[dailove]

How long has Solas been the dread wolf is something else I was wondering? Would his millennia of sleep had to of been in a body?

[Nic Mercy]

The "slumber" doesn't necessarily have to be in a specific body. The essence of Fen'Harel could have "slumbered" through the ages in the fade until it found the right body at the right time for all we know. It's all speculation at this point.