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[dailove]

I have read quite a bit on what people are thinking about the end scene with Solas and Flemeth. So here's my thoughts as I haven't seen anyone else mention this. I personally think that Solas and Flemeth have been working together the whole time. Solas said he had been sleeping for millennia in trespasser which makes me think perhaps Flemeth awoke him. Something to do with Corypheus or the orb being elven, not sure on that point. So In my keep dao I was a female Mage who romanced Alistair, he made a baby with Morrigan and we stayed with the wardens which also causes Alistair to come to skyhold. So I didn't get the scene where Alistair meets Keeran cause my warden had to die for that, but I did get what I guess is Morrigans personal quest.? Keeran goes in the eluvian and enters the fade to see Flemeth, you and Morrigan go find them words are had and the Flemeth aka Mythal absorbs the old God soul Keeran has. Which brings me back to the end where Solas absorbs Flemeth, I think that was the back up plan they hoped they didn't have to use, but with the orb broken Solas didn't have enough power to bring back the old gods! This also means that there is an option for Solas to have 3 old God souls, not just 2. Then in Trespasser if you romanced Solas he tells you that your dying and does something to the mark slow it down and hints at needing another find another orb and that he'll never forget you and you've changed him with everything you've shown him. This makes me wonder if there may be an option that he decides he can't let you go and potentially gives you an old God soul to live, I already drank from the well of sorrows to, so I'm technically bound to him now since he has mythals soul as well now. Who knows though, just a thought!
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[Dai Grepher]

Can't be. If Flemeth was working with Solas, then she would have used her clone to unlock the orb for him.

 

There is no indication that Solas absorbed anything from Flemeth.

 

The evanuris are not the old gods.

 

There is no indication that Solas controls Urthemiel's soul.

 

It's possible that the old god soul will assist in surviving and mastering the Veilless world. But even if Solas had it he probably would not give it to his love interest. He states that he doesn't want her with him because he doesn't want her to see what he will have to become.

[sonoko]

Here is the Flemeth character description from the game files - http://corseque.tumb...st/130376858437
It appears that giving the power to Solas has always been Flemeth's plan. Also she intended to pass her godhood to Morrigan (in the epilogue she indeed sends it through the Eluvian before Solas appears). So those who drank from the Well will be bound to Morrigan in the next game.

[Dai Grepher]

Gaider confirmed that the dev notes are just for the voice artists and animators to create the scene as intended and it doesn't mean that will be the canon story.

 

As I wrote, if Flemeth was actively helping Solas, then she would have unlocked the orb for him with one of her clones.

[sonoko]

Gaider confirmed that the dev notes are just for the voice artists and animators to create the scene as intended and it doesn't mean that will be the canon story.

 

As I wrote, if Flemeth was actively helping Solas, then she would have unlocked the orb for him with one of her clones.

No, but it's a description of how the developers wanted this scene to be interpreted in game and it contains valuable insights on characters and their motivations. 

What clones are you keep talking about? If you mean Flemeth's "daughters" they aren't mindless tools to her to be used and thrown away - she definitely cares and respects them (as much as she is able to care and respect someone, at least). It's not even clear whether they are related to her biologically - most likely she just stole them as infants. And none of them, even Morrigan after drinking from the Well, is definitely not on the same level of power as Corypheus. 

[Gervaise]

Flemeth could have unlocked the orb without being destroyed simply because she was powerful enough after all this time.    However, she could use the contingency plan she did in anticipation of Morrigan trying to kill her (the piece of her contained in the amulet in DA2).   So if she and Solas had been in contact with one another, she could have given him an amulet in exchange for the orb and then unlocked it for him, knowing he could restore her if it went wrong.     Therefore it seems clear that he only discovered the truth about Mythal after he had given the orb to Corypheus.   

 

There is a lot more going on in that conversation between the two of them than has yet been revealed, but I'm pretty sure all is not as it appears.   Flemeth/Mythal did seem to be sending something through the eluvian before Solas turned up.     She does say to an elven Inquisitor, when challenged why she did not do more to help them, that what happened in the past could not be changed.    Yet Solas believes it can and should be changed.    However, he does suggest that he is open to you proving him wrong on that one.   Is it possible that the revenge that Mythal seeks does not require the destruction of the present world?

 

The timing of various events in novels ahead of DAI is not entirely clear, in particular how long the mage/Templar war has been waging before the peace conference is called.     The Orlesian civil war had begun before the final break that occurs in Asunder.     Around the beginning of that, Briala reactivates (part of according to Solas) the eluvian network.    I'm inclined to think it was this that caused Solas to awaken.    He was responsible for the murder of Felassan because of his refusal to take back control of the eluvians from her but this occurred in the Fade.    So now his chief agent is dead he has no choice but to wake up because he clearly does not want the eluvians to be under the control of anyone else.     It is my guess that it was either him or his agents who originally shut the network down.

[Medhia_Nox]

Flemeth/Mythal is going to be instrumental in Solas' downfall.  

 

"SURE Solas - take a piece of me into you.  I've been awake for thousands of years gaining power.  Power that is going to kick your ass." 

[Aren]

Op you are completly wrong on several points:
1) If Alistair is a GW and Morrigan had a son there is always a scene that may trigger between them regardless of Kieran background (human, Ogb) or the father background.
2) Solas awoke by himself he even said that on Trespasser, he wasn't sleeping in the conventional sense of the word he was just in the fade watching the world this whole time .
3) The soul of that critter named Urthemiel is completly irrelevant because is optional, the scene in yhe fade that happen if the DR was selected on the keep is just a way to erase the choice and eliminate the Ogb as a plot point, neither Solas, neither Flemeth and neither kieran possess that soul.

@sonoko the notes of the game are not canon

[Qun00]

Flemeth/Mythal is going to be instrumental in Solas' downfall.

"SURE Solas - take a piece of me into you. I've been awake for thousands of years gaining power. Power that is going to kick your ass."

Pshh... Mythal and Solas are the same, hence why they got along.

Her "reckoning that will shake the very heavens" probably is no better than his current goal.

[Aeratus]

Mythal had known and Solas' return and is likely driving the entire event behind the scenes. 

 

During DA2, she was already planning the rise of "Solas". She tells Hawke "We stand upon the precipice of change. The world fears the inevitable plummet into the abyss." Sandal recognized Mythal's plans because there was "a scary old lady telling him bad things in his head." (as stated in the WIki). What did Mythal/Flemeth convey to Sandal? The prophecy that "One day the magic will come back. All of it. Everyone will be just like they were. The shadows will part, and the skies will open wide....When he rises, everyone will see."

 

In DAI, Mythal says "I nudge history, when it's required. Other times, a shove is needed."

 

In the crossroads, Mythal says "I am sorry too, old friend." This refers to Mythal not helping Solas when he needed to unlock the orb. It isn't explained why Mythal did not help him, but I think this is what he was referring to. Solas did not know that Mythal was still in the world, based on his dialogue. Perhaps Mythal was not aware that Solas was not aware that she was still around. 

 

Next, Solas absorbs Mythal's power. However, in trespasser, it is shown that Solas no longer wears his wolf jawbone necklace, and instead wears a dragon tooth, symbolizing Mythal. The hint is that Mythal controls a part of him, but Solas is a willing host. 

 

I think Mythal is using Solas, just as Solas is using Mythal('s power). For now, their goals are aligned, but will likely diverge in DA4. I'm certain one of them will be the big bad, and I'm going to guess that the big bad will be Mythal.

[dailove]

I hope so, I would like to see Solas turn out to not be so bad. When I first played through DAI I was a Mage romancing Cullen and didn't pay much mind to Solas. For that matter I have only just put any interest in Solas on my 4th play through and am romancing him and keeping him in my party all the time. Although the romance with him does seem to be an after thought and not as good as the others, he seems to maintain that you have changed him and made him see that the world may be worth saving more then he thought and feels bad that they all have to die. That being said I hope to see Solas change his mind and work with the inquisitor to find a better way. His character is quite intriguing when you roll with him and pay attention to what he has to say. Guess we will have to see! I did not put together that it was maybe the old God soul she sent through the mirror, so that could be an interesting twist, but why did she take it in the first place just to give it back?

[SoulWeaver]

Next, Solas absorbs Mythal's power. However, in trespasser, it is shown that Solas no longer wears his wolf jawbone necklace, and instead wears a dragon tooth, symbolizing Mythal. The hint is that Mythal controls a part of him, but Solas is a willing host. 

 

This! As far as I remember, absorbing someone's power is unprecedented in Dragon Age's universe; either blood magic is used and the power increase is temporary, or the power increase comes from possession, in which the host always seems to lose some (or all) control in the process.

 

I replayed the temple of Mythal today and something struck at me... something I had largely ignored before: when Corypheus flies towards the Eluvian in the temple a figure rises from the water and stops him for a moment; then it flees through the mirror.

 

Theory: That figure was Mythal. Mythal didn't disappear when she was murdered because her followers fervor reformed her - we've learned from the Avvar their spirit gods do this and Trespasser seems to indicate ancient elves were spirits, so Mythal could probably do this also. The well of sorrows kept the will of the most faithful of Mythal's followers, so it was one of the few things that made her reform after death. In the process it became a vessel for part of Mythal's soul. By losing the well, Mythal had to enact a backup plan for her survival, which was to send part of her soul away once again; the piece that possessed Flemeth was left for Solas, the rest was sent through the mirror (maybe for Morrigan).

[Dai Grepher]

No, but it's a description of how the developers wanted this scene to be interpreted in game and it contains valuable insights on characters and their motivations. 

What clones are you keep talking about? If you mean Flemeth's "daughters" they aren't mindless tools to her to be used and thrown away - she definitely cares and respects them (as much as she is able to care and respect someone, at least). It's not even clear whether they are related to her biologically - most likely she just stole them as infants. And none of them, even Morrigan after drinking from the Well, is definitely not on the same level of power as Corypheus. 

 

No it isn't. Gaider said it is not necessarily canon. It's just a tool to get the scene they wanted. The actual story could be completely different from the dev notes, and the staff is not going to constrain themselves to those notes. And while I disregard what Gaider says regarding the canon storyline, in this case he was referring to the production process, which I have no reason to doubt him on.

 

The clone the Hero of Ferelden can possibly fight and kill. Or the clone that shows up at the alter if you summon Mythal.
 

[Dai Grepher]

Flemeth/Mythal is going to be instrumental in Solas' downfall.  

 

"SURE Solas - take a piece of me into you.  I've been awake for thousands of years gaining power.  Power that is going to kick your ass." 

 

A fly in the ointment. Good theory. Though I still see no reason to believe Solas took anything of her into himself.