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I also romanced Cullen first, but that was the tie I mentioned in my previous post. It was between him and Blackwall, with me seriously leaning toward Blackwall and really only flirting with Cullen because he was so damned fun to fluster. The things he'd done in the previous two games made me want to completely ignore him, but... that, ahem, didn't happen. This is the one thing I will not forgive: Bioware, you made me like him. <shakes fist in the general direction of Canada>

It would be nice to have the option to ignore Cullen or be very upset with him, especially if playing a mage, considering his mage-jailing history including being second-in-command to a knight-commander who made mages tranquil over love letters. You can ruin his life by getting him back on lyrium though...

 

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It would be nice to have the option to ignore Cullen or be very upset with him, especially if playing a mage, considering his mage-jailing history including being second-in-command to a knight-commander who made mages tranquil over love letters. You can ruin his life by getting him back on lyrium though...

 

 

 

I'd never want to ruin his life like that, but I also don't want the game to assume he's my friend.  My canon Inquisitor is an elven apostate.  She knows what he did in Kirkwall and does not like him.  She respects him as the commander of her forces, but he's not her friend.  But because I did his quest the game treats him as one.



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I'd never want to ruin his life like that, but I also don't want the game to assume he's my friend.  My canon Inquisitor is an elven apostate.  She knows what he did in Kirkwall and does not like him.  She respects him as the commander of her forces, but he's not her friend.  But because I did his quest the game treats him as one.

 

This is IMO a function of the game not having an approval meter for the advisors.  The companions' personal quests only unlock if you already have decent approval with them, so if you don't flub the quest, it's reasonable to assume that the characters are friends.  But the advisors' quests come up no matter what, so your only choices are to ignore them, flub them, or succeed at them.  And if you succeed, the game treats the advisors as quizzy's friends.


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This is IMO a function of the game not having an approval meter for the advisors.  The companions' personal quests only unlock if you already have decent approval with them, so if you don't flub the quest, it's reasonable to assume that the characters are friends.  But the advisors' quests come up no matter what, so your only choices are to ignore them, flub them, or succeed at them.  And if you succeed, the game treats the advisors as quizzy's friends.

Yup, "quest hound = friends with everyone" pretty much.


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That didn't stop me from flirting with Dorian for fun. I love that guy to death.


I don't typically flirt with a character unless I intend to romance them. I'm also quite big on first impressions, so if I like a character immediately, I can pretty well determine if I will want to romance them shortly after meeting them. I did flirt with Dorian on one fem Inquisitor play (not the first) simply because I wanted to see how that played out after the tavern scene (I knew there was a special option).

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I'd never want to ruin his life like that, but I also don't want the game to assume he's my friend.  My canon Inquisitor is an elven apostate.  She knows what he did in Kirkwall and does not like him.  She respects him as the commander of her forces, but he's not her friend.  But because I did his quest the game treats him as one.


You do remember that he stood against Meredith in the end of DA2, right?

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There is no gameplay incentive to make a lot of the "bad" choices in DAI. I enjoy the freedom to be evil if I wanted to be, but I expect some kind of tangible reward for doing so. 

 

E.G. in Bioshock, if you consume more little sisters, you get more adam.

 

Kotor is, imo, the best example of this. Being a POS in that game really pays off by giving you a stronger character with so much more resources. 

 

There is no such reward in DAI. Bioware does not tempt you to make morally corrupt choices. A lot of people will never see the lyrium cullen epilogue because Inquisition does nothing to incentivise the player to see that content. Imo, it's a huge weakness of the game. No question that people in large gravitate towards the altruistic idealist side of the spectrum, and this game does nothing to challenge that.

 

To be clear, while Morrigan initially doesn't want a traditional relationship with you, if you get her approval early, it becomes very clear she does want you sexually. 


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Interesting question, OP. I find by the time I have decided who my character's LI is going to be I have already committed to the idea and even if they say it's a bad idea I would probably still go through with it. Solas and Lavellan got me right in the vhenan though, so I may pause before going through with anything similar. I am glad the writers at least try to let you know ahead of time that heartbreak could be the outcome.

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You do remember that he stood against Meredith in the end of DA2, right?

 

Yes, and he gets a cookie for that.  Doesn't make up for seven years of being her right hand man, approving of the Tranquil Solution and having that charming line about how 'mages are not people like you and me'.

 

EDIT: Should add: I like Cullen and think he's an interesting character, but that doesn't mean my character has to like him.


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There is no gameplay incentive to make a lot of the "bad" choices in DAI. I enjoy the freedom to be evil if I wanted to be, but I expect some kind of tangible reward for doing so. 

 

E.G. in Bioshock, if you consume more little sisters, you get more adam.

 

Kotor is, imo, the best example of this. Being a POS in that game really pays off by giving you a stronger character with so much more resources. 

 

There is no such reward in DAI. Bioware does not tempt you to make morally corrupt choices. A lot of people will never see the lyrium cullen epilogue because Inquisition does nothing to incentivise the player to see that content. Imo, it's a huge weakness of the game. No question that people in large gravitate towards the altruistic idealist side of the spectrum, and this game does nothing to challenge that.

 

To be clear, while Morrigan initially doesn't want a traditional relationship with you, if you get her approval early, it becomes very clear she does want you sexually. 

I was just thinking about this strangely. It can be tempting to pursue an evil character in the same vain as DA:O, except DA:I offers both no rewards for such a character and so little opportunity to be evil. At best you can be a jerk to companions. There are a few highlighted moments such as punching Solas but that's it. No opportunity to even kill any of them. All you achieve by being a POS is a loss of content. The saddest part is what it takes to get companion disapproval and how they react.

 

First, to get disapproval overall is far less from your actions but more from avoiding fetch quests/war table missions for that specific companion. The big decisions like allying/conscripting the mages/templars at best will earn +/- 3 approval with a companion which in the grand scheme of things is nothing and easily remedied.

 

Second, when you manage to achieve strong disapproval with a companion (usually through heavy meta-gaming) they behave like you have options similar to those you did in DA:O. Varric, Blackwall, Sera, Cole, Cassandra, etc. all act like you're some power-hungry tyrant who has ruined lives for the Inquisition's benefit. I'd love for there to actually have been opportunities to play that way. The closest thing is war table missions which ironically generally don't sway companion approval much at all.

 

In the end you can lead the Inquisition exactly the same way, yet in one game treat Blackwall poorly and not bother picking up his Grey Warden trinkets, and in the other the opposite, and he'll go from abandoning what he believes is a tyrant to considering you a good friend.


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In the end you can lead the Inquisition exactly the same way, yet in one game treat Blackwall poorly and not bother picking up his Grey Warden trinkets, and in the other the opposite, and he'll go from abandoning what he believes is a tyrant to considering you a good friend.


It's even worse with Fair Weather Friends trial turned on. I made the same decisions pre-Skyhold I had many times before, and my first convo with Cass at Skyhold had her drunk on the floor and hating my quizzy's guts. I also managed to get Viv to rearrange my furniture. By the end of the game, after turning the trial off, both were at friend* status because I did their quests. Viv still didn't really like my quizzy, but by then the feeling was mutual. :P Can't wait to hear what she says during spa day.

 

* by giving Viv the real heart, the Keep won't let you pick the "not friends" option.



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It is incredibly easy to get disapproval from Vivienne.

Siding with the mages and telling her you support them twice in dialogue is all it takes to have your furniture rearranged.

* by giving Viv the real heart, the Keep won't let you pick the "not friends" option.


Whaaaaat? Since when is DA:I's section in the Keep available? I just checked and everything still is "hidden".

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You do remember that he stood against Meredith in the end of DA2, right?


He's still a traitor to his men. That's his worst sin, he abandoned his brothers, men under his command. Either because he lost control or because some Seeker asked him to.

His lack of devotion to men who he served with is his most grevious offense.

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I don't typically flirt with a character unless I intend to romance them. I'm also quite big on first impressions, so if I like a character immediately, I can pretty well determine if I will want to romance them shortly after meeting them. I did flirt with Dorian on one fem Inquisitor play (not the first) simply because I wanted to see how that played out after the tavern scene (I knew there was a special option).

 

Yeah, that's me in real life and DAO and DA2. I felt like being completely different in DAI, though. FLIRT WITH ALL THE GUYS! But Iron Bull stopped having flirt dialogue in Skyhold. It made me sad. I was afraid that he knew what I was trying to do (get them all to like me and do my bidding) due to being Ben-Hassrath and good at reading people.



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He's still a traitor to his men. That's his worst sin, he abandoned his brothers, men under his command. Either because he lost control or because some Seeker asked him to.
His lack of devotion to men who he served with is his most grevious offense.

You forgot the part where his incompetence allowed the Red Templars to spread through his rank under his nose. Then he abandoned the ones who werent corrupted at the hands of the Reds.

I don't know why BioWare thought it would be cool to have incompetent advisors in the game.

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It is incredibly easy to get disapproval from Vivienne.

Siding with the mages and telling her you support them twice in dialogue is all it takes to have your furniture rearranged.


Whaaaaat? Since when is DA:I's section in the Keep available? I just checked and everything still is "hidden".

 

 

It's been up for ages.  You may need to set 'show spoilers' in your profile.
 



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When a LI tells me it's not a good idea and I'll only get hurt, I'm all

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Can't wait to hear what she says during spa day.


Sadly, she still acts like she likes you even if you're not friends. But I don't know if there is actually different dialogue for a Viv who really does like you. It was odd... Well, I should say that when I played through it (I've only done Trespasser once), that the whole scene was just so strange I sat there like, :blink:. But it was so fun seeing my guy in his little swim trunks! (Too bad Dorian wasn't there...)
 

Whaaaaat? Since when is DA:I's section in the Keep available? I just checked and everything still is "hidden".


The DAI sections of the Keep have been available for several months now, but you can only unlock tiles if you have uploaded a save with those choices. BUT, you can turn off the spoiler filter in the Keep options and look at everything if you want.

 

It's a shame about the heart choice affecting the Keep result, though. I think it's acceptable to not be friends and still not be a total a-hole to someone. For doing that quest my line of thought for my character is, "OK, well I'm going to be in the area anyway, and I'm good at killing things, so why the hell not?" But I would never give her a normal heart and try to pass it off, that's just terrible.


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Yep my PC turns around and walks away now. Don't got no time for that and they got enough drama in their lives without adding more. Thank you for the warning and goodbye.


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Sadly, she still acts like she likes you even if you're not friends. But I don't know if there is actually different dialogue for a Viv who really does like you. It was odd... Well, I should say that when I played through it (I've only done Trespasser once), that the whole scene was just so strange I sat there like, :blink:. But it was so fun seeing my guy in his little swim trunks! (Too bad Dorian wasn't there...)
 

 

One line is different depending on if you're liked. But I'd say it would be in character for someone like Vivienne, a compulsive liar and lover of political deceit, to have a spa day with someone she didn't like; for appearances if anything else. This maneuvering does kind of contradict Vivienne's political blunder in how she rubs in using one of those powerful people in Thedas (the Inquisitor) to their face after her personal quest if she doesn't like you, but whatever. The developers must have intentionally wanted to vex players by not having a punch option.

 

 

The DAI sections of the Keep have been available for several months now, but you can only unlock tiles if you have uploaded a save with those choices. BUT, you can turn off the spoiler filter in the Keep options and look at everything if you want.

 

It's a shame about the heart choice affecting the Keep result, though. I think it's acceptable to not be friends and still not be a total a-hole to someone. For doing that quest my line of thought for my character is, "OK, well I'm going to be in the area anyway, and I'm good at killing things, so why the hell not?" But I would never give her a normal heart and try to pass it off, that's just terrible.

Not as if people will likely be pleased with the Keep's options. I already am not. Despite still having so many remain hidden regardless of having completed practically everything in-game, some of the shown choices are inaccurate.

 

Ex: Either believing you're the Herald of Andraste or flat-out denying it; no middle ground.

Ex: The Keep seems to believe I never went to Redcliffe. I did. I just didn't choose the mage path.

 

Also strange that my love interest for example hasn't shown up...



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One line is different depending on if you're liked. But I'd say it would be in character for someone like Vivienne, a compulsive liar and lover of political deceit, to have a spa day with someone she didn't like; for appearances if anything else. This maneuvering does kind of contradict Vivienne's political blunder in how she rubs in using one of those powerful people in Thedas (the Inquisitor) to their face after her personal quest if she doesn't like you, but whatever. The developers must have intentionally wanted to vex players by not having a punch option.

Not as if people will likely be pleased with the Keep's options. I already am not. Despite still having so many remain hidden regardless of having completed practically everything in-game, some of the shown choices are inaccurate.

 

Ex: Either believing you're the Herald of Andraste or flat-out denying it; no middle ground.

Ex: The Keep seems to believe I never went to Redcliffe. I did. I just didn't choose the mage path.

 

Also strange that my love interest for example hasn't shown up...

 

There's also several options in the Inner Circle quests that exist in the game but aren't reflected in the Keep.  For example: did Solas kill the mages during his quest? (being able to remind of this if you got him to spare them may come in handy later) and telling Sera to back off from the noble but not choosing to work with him.  There's also no option for the Solas romance to say whether or not the romance was broken off in Trespasser (which is an option) and there's no option to say what route (connections, secrets or forces) the Inquisiton favoured.



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Sadly, she still acts like she likes you even if you're not friends. But I don't know if there is actually different dialogue for a Viv who really does like you. It was odd... Well, I should say that when I played through it (I've only done Trespasser once), that the whole scene was just so strange I sat there like, :blink:. But it was so fun seeing my guy in his little swim trunks! (Too bad Dorian wasn't there...)

 

She actually insults you in that scene if you have low approval with her. Something about your romantic life being the one thing that you haven't managed to mess up. 


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There's also several options in the Inner Circle quests that exist in the game but aren't reflected in the Keep.  For example: did Solas kill the mages during his quest? (being able to remind of this if you got him to spare them may come in handy later) and telling Sera to back off from the noble but not choosing to work with him.  There's also no option for the Solas romance to say whether or not the romance was broken off in Trespasser (which is an option) and there's no option to say what route (connections, secrets or forces) the Inquisiton favoured.

While ideally it would be nice to have those little options appear (and matter), let's be honest, it would likely be giving Bioware too much credit for them to have any relevance in the future. This isn't Mass Effect. That excludes the Solas romance example you mentioned. If you're lucky in the next game Solas might have one line referring to his lost love.

 

Remember all those Keep choices for DA:O and DA2? How many of them had any relevance at all? I'm pretty sure Bioware was just wasting our time with all those little options to give the illusion your past actions mattered. How would it look if they were honest and listed like less than 10 things that actually played the smallest role in DA:I? That would be outright admitting the insignificance of your choices. Hence options like how you handled the prisoner at Ostagar.



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She actually insults in that scene if you have low approval with her. Something about your romantic life being the one thing that you haven't managed to mess up. 

This.  She made a comment to my canon inquisitor Caitlyn about how she basically messed up everything.   So much shade was thrown in that one comment.  I didn't even understand why they had a spa day.  They were not friends.  Caitlyn didn't do her quest - straight up told her no.  And Caitlyn was adamantly pro mage freedom while Viv was not.


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Ahaha... perhaps that insult didn't register to me since I was (likely, I really can't remember now) surprised that it was referenced at all.