Not to boil down the enthusiasm but this is completely untrue if the player decided to pick another origin,young Cousland died alongside the others and Howe pretty much succeeded in defeat the whole family aside from Fergus.THus prove that without the player soul young Cousland is pretty much dead.
Are you trying to say that is not the Pc Cousland who is awesome but the player behind him/her?
Are you trying to say that is not the Pc Cousland who is awesome but the player behind him/her?
I like the Couslands,but in all honesty the "pup" will have go anywhere without my mind controlling(much less reach an Archdemon) and at the end of the day he became the HoF and not me.....
Are you trying to say that is not the Pc Cousland who is awesome but the player behind him/her?
It was the Shems that ended the Elves long life and uthenera. Jealously I suppose.
Humans don't like being called a Shem but, they call the city Elves knife ears.
Maybe Sten and Shale was right?
Edited because of potential spoilers. That's what I get for posting at too early an hour without any kind of caffeine at all.
sylvanaerie, Don't know what you was going to use but,what I posted comes from DA:O and a hint from DA:2. The humans gave the Elves a drug that ended their long longevity and uthenera.
As far as caffeine..Yup gotta have it before I do anything. 
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Edited because of potential spoilers. That's what I get for posting at too early an hour without any kind of caffeine at all.
Zathrian was caught up in his own hate filled revenge and was willing to see his own people die because of that blind rage.. Also,Shems killed his children but,I suppose that ok and he should have not taken revenge on the murders of his children?
Seems the Shems has done more to the Elves then the Elves did to the Shemlins. It was the Shems that attacked the Dells because the Elves worship their own Gods. It was the Shems that enslaved the Elves and took away their way of life. Its the Shems that kill city Elves for no reason, its the Shems that rape then kill Elven women and yet,when they face a Dalish Elf the Shems become afraid.
Yet,if one does the research there seems to be a lot of Elven Grey Wardens and in the book "The Last Flight" the hero was a Elf.
Zathrian was caught up in his own hate filled revenge and was willing to see his own people die because of that blind rage.. Also,Shems killed his children but,I suppose that ok and he should have not taken revenge on the murders of his children?
Revenge no. Justice yes. What Zathrian did punished not only the murderers, but their entire group and offspring. For centuries.
Seems the Shems has done more to the Elves then the Elves did to the Shemlins. It was the Shems that attacked the Dells because the Elves worship their own Gods.
That was always debatable, but now we have even more information about that incident. As it turns out, both sides were being paranoid idiots who (re)acted without thinking and caused a war. Not surprising at all.
It was the Shems that enslaved the Elves and took away their way of life.
Most recently, maybe. Slavery has always been a thing. Before humans did it, elves did it. And even if it had started with humans, no one still alive would be responsible for what their ancestors did, kind of exactly like the example above with Zathrian's overkill on his curse. An individual can only be responsible for themself and their own actions.
(edit: Also notice how slavery is currently illegal in most of Thedas. And notice how it was a Tevinter elf we encountered in the alienage, enslaving other elves.)
Its the Shems that kill city Elves for no reason,
Since we're dealing with gross over-generalizations, it's also city elves who kill random humans passing through/nearby the alienage alone or at night. Just average people: not wealthy nobles, not corrupt guards, not corrupt wealthy nobles, not drunken peasants out to "kill us some knife ears" because reasons. Just normal people.
its the Shems that rape then kill Elven women and yet,when they face a Dalish Elf the Shems become afraid.
There is nothing about the category of people who are rapists that says "these people are necessarily humans". Anyone who does that is wrong, and not everyone who does that has round ears. Are we talking about Zathrian's history again? Because that was one incident in several centuries. Dragon Age is pretty rosy as far as medieval-ish settings go, but are we expected to believe that Zathrian's daughter and the city elf origin's wedding party are the only people to have encountered rape? What about during wartime with invading armies?
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Its kinda hard to believe the city Elves would kill anybody since they fear the Alienage will be purged by the guards and seeing they didn't really want to recue the women Vaughan kidnapped. I'm not saying the city Elves doesn't kill a occasional shem but, they seem way to timid.
The Dalish isn't stone cold killers and will kill if the humans doesn't leave their camp area. When you arrive at the Dalish camp Mithra warns you and tells you to leave the area-exception being if your PC warden is Dalish and she still asks about the group you're traveling with.
Even at the beginning of the Dalish warden story there is a option to turn those humans lose..If they are killed listen to the second reason the keeper tells you why the camp needs to move. Have this discussion when the keeper asks if you are able to return to the cave. She doesn't seem happy about the killings.
Of course the lead in by Duncan leads the player to believe the Dalish are stone cold killers. If that was the Dalish story line there would have been no dialog between those 3 shems and 2 Dalish hunters and Mithra and company would have filled our group members with arrows while we was approaching their camp--no questions! Kill the shemlins! We know that doesn't happen and its not because they are expecting us to help...
Are you trying to say that is not the Pc Cousland who is awesome but the player behind him/her?
Without getting meta, the difference between a pup who survives to become the Hero and the one who dies is Duncan. Without Duncan's help the younger child dies making a failed escape out the servant's entrance or possibly making a premature attempt to assassinate Howe.
Without getting meta, the difference between a pup who survives to become the Hero and the one who dies is Duncan. Without Duncan's help the younger child dies making a failed escape out the servant's entrance or possibly making a premature attempt to assassinate Howe.
I had the distinct impression that the human noble didn't need Duncan to escape,since Duncan really did nothing,he just met the human noble when the character is with Eleanor near to the passage to escape and at that point there is no need for Duncan,correct if i'm wrong,in my game the bastard just forced me into the GW with the right of conscription(if you refuse he use that power to force you) in return for nothing.
I had the distinct impression that the human noble didn't need Duncan to escape,since Duncan really did nothing,he just met the human noble when the character is with Eleanor near to the passage to escape and at that point there is no need for Duncan,
Your father at least thinks it's unlikely you'll make it out alive. The fortress is after all still surrounded by the bulk of Howe's army. The story just skips past you and Duncan making your way past them since that would be far more Duncan than you.
sylvanaerie, Don't know what you was going to use but,what I posted comes from DA:O and a hint from DA:2. The humans gave the Elves a drug that ended their long longevity and uthenera.
As far as caffeine..Yup gotta have it before I do anything.
Sorry. You need to play DA3 and then you find out it wasn't the humans. Also read the Masked Empire it really adds to the DA3 story.
Corba's_back, I have played DA: I and read three of the DA books-"The Calling".The Stolen Throne and The Last Flight.. Next one will be The Masked Empire.. This is how I found out Alistair's real mother was a Elven Grey Warden mage instead of a common servant woman. I have wondered why the cover up unless it because his real mother was a Elf? Duncan knew this.
There's no denying the Humans ended the Elves longevity and their uthenera-if you go by DA:O..
I have found several "what the hay" thoughts between the books and DA game series and many unanswered questions one being about the Griffon eggs and what became of the hatchlings.
Corba's_back, I have played DA: I and read three of the DA books-"The Calling".The Stolen Throne and The Last Flight.. Next one will be The Masked Empire.. This is how I found out Alistair's real mother was a Elven Grey Warden mage instead of a common servant woman. I have wondered why the cover up unless it because his real mother was a Elf? Duncan knew this.
There's no denying the Humans ended the Elves longevity and their uthenera-if you go by DA:O..
Sure there is. Our only source for that idea was the Dalish. And we were told straight out that the Dalish actually knew very little about the old elven civilization and are inclined to blame humans for everything wrong with their world. Even before I learned more about it from Inquisition youtube videos, my theory was that elven immortality was a blessing from the elven gods and was lost when the elven gods were.
I can't justify what the humans did to the Elves because the humans didn't understand their ways their Gods or anything Elvish so,the humes declared war on the Dells and force the Elves to live as roving Dalish clans or live in a Alienage slum much like the castless lives in Dust Town and the elves is considered just as useless as the brands.
I can't justify what the humans did to the Elves because the humans didn't understand their ways their Gods or anything Elvish so,the humes declared war on the Dells and force the Elves to live as roving Dalish clans or live in a Alienage slum much like the castless lives in Dust Town and the elves is considered just as useless as the brands.
You don't have to justify it, because you didn't take part in it (either you or your characters). It's the humans who did it who justified it how they wanted. And I suggest reading up on the Exalted March in question, because it wasn't the big evil humans ganging up on the poor innocent elves purely because of differing religions.
There is a bow you can obtain in Inquisition called the Bane of Red Crossing. This is its description: "Ser Yves de Chevac used this bow in the Exalted March against the Dales – specifically, in the liberation of Val Royeaux, where the chevalier famously struck down the elven forces' commander with a shot to the throat at two hundred feet." Yes, the liberation of Val Royeaux. That means the elves invaded and occupied the city, and the humans won it back. If you then read the various codex entries on the Exalted March on the Dales, you'll learn that it was only called after the elves took Val Royeaux. As for Red Crossing itself, the elves attacked first, and probably because they thought one of their own was going to convert. How's that for tolerance?
The Chantry (and I can't believe I'm about to defend them) actually said it was the duty of all good Andrastians to take the elves into their cities. Yes, this would come with a certain degree of assimilation, but that's part of living in a society. Despite their religious doctrine saying the Maker would only return once everyone alive professed Andrastianism, no one was demanding the elves convert. They wanted them to obey the laws of the human nations they would be a part of, but the elves would have none of that, hence their wandering as nomads. Elves who did elect to live in cities became more "human" in culture, slowly and over generations, to the point where many city elves today are Andrastian, but they still have a distinct culture. Originally, (as far as I'm aware, I don't have the codex entries to back this up, this is just my impression) the city elves wanted to keep to themselves, specifically to preserve their culture much like the Dalish's decision to be wanderers... to preserve their culture.
I can't justify what the humans did to the Elves because the humans didn't understand their ways their Gods or anything Elvish so,the humes declared war on the Dells and force the Elves to live as roving Dalish clans or live in a Alienage slum much like the castless lives in Dust Town and the elves is considered just as useless as the brands.
The Dales were destroyed because they were stupid enough to think they could make their way in splendid friendless isolation with no alliances and no external trade not even any diplomatic relations, and hence no incentive for anyone else to ever come to their assistance when the Dalish happened to escalate a border skirmish into a massacre. Living next to Orlais made that a spectacularly poor idea although the defeated elves did not deserve the centuries of mistreatment that followed.
But that's beside the point which was that the Dalish were neither well-informed nor unbiased historians of the fall of Elvhenan and it was made in clear in Origins that they had little more than guesswork about it.
Seems like the Dales was doing ok until the humans decided they could not let the Elves live their lives and thus invaded and stole their land, took away their Gods,their way of life-sounds familiar if one looks back to the 1800s in the West.
The Chantry basically did the same thing as the Dwarves-made the Elves a subclass of peoples by placing them in Alienages and treat them no better then the Dwarves do the brands in Dust Town... Even Iona mentions she has climb higher then the majority of her people but,she was still force to live in the Denerim Alienage with her daughter.
Then that asp of a man Loghain was selling Elves into slavery to finance his civil war. Seems like humans still doing the Elves wrong just because nobody cares for the Elves including the Chantry.
Yet and according to the three books I read so far there seems to be a lot of Elven Grey Warrens--not to mention good King Meric seem to like Elven women in two of the three books I've read so far..
The Couslands are like the Starks. Happy family until crap takes over them.
Corba's_back, I have played DA: I and read three of the DA books-"The Calling".The Stolen Throne and The Last Flight.. Next one will be The Masked Empire.. This is how I found out Alistair's real mother was a Elven Grey Warden mage instead of a common servant woman. I have wondered why the cover up unless it because his real mother was a Elf? Duncan knew this.
There's no denying the Humans ended the Elves longevity and their uthenera-if you go by DA:O..
I have found several "what the hay" thoughts between the books and DA game series and many unanswered questions one being about the Griffon eggs and what became of the hatchlings.
You didn't play DA3. I suggest you play the game and all the DLC. The humans didn't do it. If you love the lore, you'll enjoy the game. The game is big on Ancient Eleven lore.
Seems like the Dales was doing ok until the humans decided they could not let the Elves live their lives and thus invaded and stole their land, took away their Gods,their way of life-sounds familiar if one looks back to the 1800s in the West.
The Chantry basically did the same thing as the Dwarves-made the Elves a subclass of peoples by placing them in Alienages and treat them no better then the Dwarves do the brands in Dust Town... Even Iona mentions she has climb higher then the majority of her people but,she was still force to live in the Denerim Alienage with her daughter.
Then that asp of a man Loghain was selling Elves into slavery to finance his civil war. Seems like humans still doing the Elves wrong just because nobody cares for the Elves including the Chantry.
Yet and according to the three books I read so far there seems to be a lot of Elven Grey Warrens--not to mention good King Meric seem to like Elven women in two of the three books I've read so far..
The Masked Empire paints a different story about Elves. Please read it before the DA3 game. It adds to the story.
I can't justify what the humans did to the Elves because the humans didn't understand their ways their Gods or anything Elvish so,the humes declared war on the Dells and force the Elves to live as roving Dalish clans or live in a Alienage slum much like the castless lives in Dust Town and the elves is considered just as useless as the brands.
You seem to think that Elves have done no wrong. Boy will you learn differently. The truth is any powerful civilization is capable of wrong, and the Ancient Elves were the apex predator. I don't want to ruin it for you, but Rome would have looked tame in comparison to the Ancient Elves.
I Have played DA:I and it told little bit more about the Elves.. The Humans is still mistreating the Elves centuries after what ever happen way back then-hopefully the The Masked Empire" will arrive in today's mail.
Still attacking the Dales was all human as was forcing the Elves into slavery after destroying their way of life and their Gods... I suspect the ancient Elves was no worst then the Orlesians when they ruled Ferelden or the Tevinter Emporium.
Not sure if there are DLCs for either my PS3 or Xbox 360 for DA:I ? Need be I buy DA:I for my 360.
The Exalted March was partly due to the elves not helping defeat the Second Blight, and the linchpin for it was the atrocity at Red Crossing. Inquisition explains who was at fault at Red Crossing (a house in Emerald Graves I think), and Jaws of Hakkon tells of what happened during the events of the Second Blight. I won't spoil things, but you should check these quests out first.
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