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[JasonPogo]

I know they are done with DAI now and nothing else will be coming.  But it still bugs me to no end that Skyhold stays such a dump throughout the whole game...

[Dai Grepher]

It doesn't stay a dump...

 

...in your mind.

 

That's what fanfiction is for.

[IanPolaris]

It doesn't stay a dump...

 

...in your mind.

 

That's what fanfiction is for.

 

Eh, I think the OP does have a point.  You would think that the Inquisition would at least repair the HOLE IN THE WALL right outside your own war-room.  "Fan Fiction" should not be an excuse for sloppy work on the part of the developer.

[Dai Grepher]

I agree. I was making a sarcastic point against Trespasser's disturbing lack of storyline and closure.

[Melbella]

Eh, I think the OP does have a point.  You would think that the Inquisition would at least repair the HOLE IN THE WALL right outside your own war-room.  "Fan Fiction" should not be an excuse for sloppy work on the part of the developer.

 

I was looking at that wall in my game today and I actually think those arches are supposed to be open. I think they got bricked up by some later inhabitants. Granted, clearing the rubble would be nice, but given all the other elven architecture we see and how open everything is, having that area open as well seems appropriate.

[Navasha]

Some of that likely has to do with areas no longer being structurally sound.    The keep was supposedly built 1000s of years ago.   Time changes things.   Walls might have been lost to landslides.   Without that support still available replacing a wall might not be an option in that spot.    You also have to look at the timeline of events.   Inquisition takes place over a very small span of time of few years.   During this time you are essentially fighting a war.    Resources aren't infinite.    Do you spend your resources sending out troops to protect people or patching up a hole in the wall to look 'pretty'?    If the hole overlooks a giant cliff, it isn't a security threat. 

[Qun00]

It's a military fortress, not a mansion.

[vbibbi]

I was looking at that wall in my game today and I actually think those arches are supposed to be open. I think they got bricked up by some later inhabitants. Granted, clearing the rubble would be nice, but given all the other elven architecture we see and how open everything is, having that area open as well seems appropriate.

The hole by the war room is clearly unfinished. There is rubble and loose bricks on the floor by it, and Cullen complains about the drafts causing reports to fly off the tables.

 

Edited to add: Sorry, I just reread your post and realized I'd misunderstood what you said. Still, it seems unlikely that a fortress so high up in the mountains would just have an open archway in the walls, unless it started off as an ancient elven site and they used their magic to keep it secure. But that would still mean all subsequent inhabitants would want to brick it up, since they wouldn't be able to keep such a structural weakness safe for inhabitants. So neither should the Inquisition.

 

It's a military fortress, not a mansion.

And how militarily defensible is a fortress with holes in its exterior walls? Yes, it's on top of a mountain in the middle of nowhere (so who would be attacking anyway?!) but the ramparts have large gaps in them, so patrols can't walk an entire perimeter. That is pretty poor military upkeep.

 

 

To OP, yes, at the least I wish the upgrades we had would have some kind of impact. Other than increasing the number of plant pots in the garden, there is no tangible benefit to upgrading. I genuinely am surprised at the lack of relevance Skyhold had to the actual gameplay. I appreciate the details that went into it, especially all of the occupants and changes that occur over the course of the main quest, but can't help wanting more. It's more of the collection quest issue DAI has: they focused more on drapes, windows, tapestries, and thrones than they did on making it useful to the story.

Modifié par vbibbi, 16 novembre 2015 - 03:10 .

[ZhengAn]

I agree, though I never really liked skyhold, or consider it as my home, or fortress, somewhere that my inquisitor belongs to.

 

But come on, that is INQUISITION, one of the most powerful organisation across Orlais and Ferelden. You have all those soldiers and spies to build stupid bridges across thedas for you but none of them can even repair just a wall in skyhold?

[vbibbi]

Josie couldn't at least have put up a sign?

[Madfox11]

Most of those repairs are simple wooden constructions. Hardly the type of building skills one would need to repair big holes in walls

[berelinde]

I agree, though I never really liked skyhold, or consider it as my home, or fortress, somewhere that my inquisitor belongs to.

 

But come on, that is INQUISITION, one of the most powerful organisation across Orlais and Ferelden. You have all those soldiers and spies to build stupid bridges across thedas for you but none of them can even repair just a wall in skyhold?

 

 

Most of those repairs are simple wooden constructions. Hardly the type of building skills one would need to repair big holes in walls

I love how the Inquisition has a Corps of Engineers. But I always laugh when you repair the bridge at Pont Agur and it's this rickety wooden thing, and then two hours later, you rebuild Judicael's Crossing and it's this magnificent edifice.

 

"Guys, about that bridge in the Exalted Plains. What are we paying you for?"

 

Also, if we can Energize wooden bridges all over the Western Approach and elsewhere, why can't we fix Pont Agur ourselves? Unless the locals crossed the demon-infested no-man's-land that is the Exalted Plains to steal the stone blocks from under the bridge, they should still be there.

Modifié par berelinde, 16 novembre 2015 - 03:19 .

[nightscrawl]

Eh, I rather like Skyhold. It took me half of my first play to be able to navigate it without using the map. Now I just run to and fro, never using the fast travel (for the immersion!), and it's pretty fun.

 

But I do wish some of the gaping holes were fixed, yes. The one in the corridor leading to the war room is particularly egregious.

[vbibbi]

I love how the Inquisition has a Corps of Engineers. But I always laugh when you repair the bridge at Pont Agur and it's this rickety wooden thing, and then two hours later, you rebuild Judicael's Crossing and it's this magnificent edifice.

 

"Guys, about that bridge in the Exalted Plains. What are we paying you for?"

 

Also, if we can Energize wooden bridges all over the Western Approach and elsewhere, why can't we fix Pont Agur ourselves? Unless the locals crossed the demon-infested no-man's-land that is the Exalted Plains to steal the stone blocks from under the bridge, they should still be there.

The river under Pont Agur doesn't even look bad to wade through. I guess none of the companions wanted to get their boots muddy.

 

It's amazing how the engineers can construct the poisonous fume towers in the Western Approach so quickly, and can repair that EdL bridge across an immense gorge in no time at all. I think they could have integrated those mechanics along with the Skyhold repairs; if we put in a construction request, it won't be done until the next main quest line quest has finished. Rather than instantaneous from when we order it in the war room to when we arrive. Lots of dissonance with war table and timers.

[Fearsome1]

The many unrestored areas of the castle does sting a bit, given that its location among snowcapped mountains has Commander Cullen sleeping under an open sky with no heat source nearby?

 

While they may not have felt the need to repair all of the upper fortifications, leaving the undercroft and dungeon with gaping holes in their exterior walls sets the entire castle up for ease of penetration. Harritt & Dagna and a single prison guard would be all that stood between interlopers and the rest of the main castle??

[berelinde]

The many unrestored areas of the castle does sting a bit, given that its location among snowcapped mountains has Commander Cullen sleeping under an open sky with no heat source nearby?

 

While they may not have felt the need to repair all of the upper fortifications, leaving the undercroft and dungeon with gaping holes in their exterior walls sets the entire castle up for ease of penetration. Harritt & Dagna and a single prison guard would be all that stood between interlopers and the rest of the main castle??

Harritt and Blythe are redundant. All they really need is Dagna. Her defense strategy would probably involve veridium crystals and a pot full of just-cooked spaghetti, but the thing is, it would work.

[lynroy]

I like the gaping holes. Best AC ever.

[wicked cool]

How does Morrigan know so much about it? Anyone else read that the wartable is made from a tree that symbolized peace?

[nightscrawl]

How does Morrigan know so much about it? Anyone else read that the wartable is made from a tree that symbolized peace?

 
Yes, it's in The Art of Dragon Age: Inquisition...
 

Peace Tree and War Table
As a living tree, it was a symbol of peace between two forgotten factions. Before the first stones of Skyhold’s foundations were laid, the tree was cut down, slabbed, and polished to serve as a massive war table.
 
– The Art of Dragon Age: Inquisition, p.26

[almasy87]

Which as we know Skyhold was Solas', I wonder: what exactly was he doing with a War Table anyway?

As for Cullen: Oh he's a big boy, with a self warmth producing body.. I'm sure he can survive.. :3

Jokes aside, I really like Skyhold the way it is. You know, there is always a bit of sadness in me when old monuments and stuff gets "restored" or "fixed": it's like they loose part of their history and authenticity. 
Skyhold is an old memory of ancient times and I prefer it stays as untouched as possible. As long as it's possible to live in it, it should be left as it is.
What exactly is building a wall in the side of the war room corridor going to do anyway? The Inquisition has more pressing matters..

And for what regards the open hole in the Undercroft and Prison.. It's not like an eventual enemy would come flying by (unless it's a dragon or people on griffons..). Please rememeber that most of your forces is stationed at the base of Skyhold. So there would be time for Dagna & company to retreat. Plus who the hell would choose to attack a place like that which to even reach it you would have to march on snowy mountains for days? Doesn't seem ideal to me...

[Fearsome1]

Doesn't seem ideal to me...

 I find your lack of 'Dragon Age' faith .......... disturbing.

 

Surely some enterprising analogue of the historical Hannibal Barca exists within the world of Thedas, you know someone willing to march an impressive force into snow-capped mountains? Especially since Corypheus proved to be such a p***y.

[caradoc2000]

Those are plot holes. They are supposed to be there.

[nayaN7vasEarth]

I wonder if it's a case of something they planned on implementing; like unlocking full repairs once the main story was over but they ran out of time/resources, or if they purposefully left the design as unrepairable and if so, why?

[vbibbi]

They've blamed last gen consoles for the lack of Skyhold content, I believe. Though that might have been a response to the question of why Skyhold was never attacked by Cory's army, rather than upgrading the keep fully.

 

Some have speculated that changing the Beige PJs of Doom took until the final patch because altering the code in Skyhold isn't as easy as it sounds. So it might not have been worth the resources needed to make further changes to it, especially if it's only a cosmetic change and not attached to another DLC.

[Aeratus]

I agree, though I never really liked skyhold, or consider it as my home, or fortress, somewhere that my inquisitor belongs to.

 

But come on, that is INQUISITION, one of the most powerful organisation across Orlais and Ferelden. You have all those soldiers and spies to build stupid bridges across thedas for you but none of them can even repair just a wall in skyhold?

 

Considering that the inquisition requires the inquisitor to personally pluck out elfroots from the wilderness in order to make some slight improvements to a simple garden, I think you've exaggerated the resources that the inquisition has!