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[dailove]

I think that anyone who doesn't like Solas should replay and travel with him so that you can hear all his dialogue. I was not a fan of his arrogance at first and maybe it only changes if you romance him, but the romance play through adds so much diversity to his character it is amazing! The end of DAI left me feeling heartbroken for him and once I watched Trespasser, since I can't play it on PS3, I am so excited for the next game! There are so many options that could come to light from the way they left it! I think he will be redeemed by his love for the inquisitor, he is at war with himself over the whole thing.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

You're wondering why a lot of people hate a man who straight up admits he plans to destroy the world and kill everyone in it while doing so? 

[ComedicSociopathy]

He. Is. Planning. To. Kill. Everyone.

 

Everyone! 

 

 

Solas was my bro, but you can't just let his willingness to murder almost everyone on Thedas slide. 

 

Plus, there's the whole giving a lunatic like Corypheus the orb which resulted in the deaths of hundreds of people.

 

The man needs to be judged for his crimes at the very least. 

Modifié par ComedicSociopathy, 19 novembre 2015 - 03:14 .

[dailove]

True, I agree he did lie and is planning to destroy the world, but he is not happy about. He simply can not see another way and admits that it is not the best choice. He grew so much while with the inquisition and has come to realize that people are more than what he first believed. As for giving Corypheus the orb, yes a bad choice, but not directly done by him though he did allow it to happen. He assumed Corypheus would die which should have been so, but he had no way of knowing he'd discovered the key to effective immortality, so I can let that one slide, it's an honest mistake! I also have my doubts that he will even be able to follow through on his plan or let the mark kill the inquisitor. I did forgive Anders in DA2 even though he blew up the chantry and started a war too though, so....Fenris was awesome too though, so maybe I just like the whole tortured elf role

[thats1evildude]

True, I agree he did lie and is planning to destroy the world, but he is not happy about it.

Well, as long as he feels bad about it, all is forgiven.

[Ghost Gal]

I love Solas too, but the whole "I plan to destroy the world and most people in it to restore my old world" is kinda hard to overlook. 

 

Some people want to condemn him for it, and, to be honest, I can't really blame them for feeling that way. =/

 

I draw the line at claiming that he's a complete sociopath who feels no emotions, or no love/empathy/compassion/remorse because, yeah, that's provably not true. But if that person really hates him or really doesn't (want to) forgive him for it, I can't really blame them. (I mean, I'll never like or forgive Loghain no matter how often his apologists try to force me to, so I can't expect people to do so for Solas.)

[ComedicSociopathy]

True, I agree he did lie and is planning to destroy the world, but he is not happy about. He simply can not see another way and admits that it is not the best choice. He grew so much while with the inquisition and has come to realize that people are more than what he first believed. As for giving Corypheus the orb, yes a bad choice, but not directly done by him though he did allow it to happen. He assumed Corypheus would die which should have been so, but he had no way of knowing he'd discovered the key to effective immortality, so I can let that one slide, it's an honest mistake! I also have my doubts that he will even be able to follow through on his plan or let the mark kill the inquisitor. I did forgive Anders in DA2 even though he blew up the chantry and started a war too though, so....Fenris was awesome too though, so maybe I just like the whole tortured elf role

 

Fair enough.

 

But I'll be honest here and admit that I flat out killed Anders for what he did and while I definitely don't hate Solas as much as him I still can't imagine just letting Solas go after all he's done and plans on doing. 

[ComedicSociopathy]

I love Solas too, but the whole "I plan to destroy the world and most people in it to restore my old world" is kinda hard to overlook. 

 

Some people want to condemn him for it, and, to be honest, I can't really blame them for feeling that way. =/

 

I draw the line at claiming that he's a complete sociopath who feels no emotions, or no love/empathy/compassion/remorse because, yeah, that's provably not true. But if that person really hates him or really doesn't (want) to forgive him for it, I can't really blame them. (I mean, I'll never like or forgive Loghain no matter how often his apologists try to force me to.)

 

As someone who has had to defend Sera from being given an improper diagnosis I can certainly feel your annoyance when people call Solas a sociopath. He's not one to be sure, but I think that regardless of that being the case I still feel that the concept of the banality of evil somewhat fits in describing his actions through. 

 

The man's not evil, he's just being really stupid. 

[Dai Grepher]

Ya know, I might be able to look past his arrogant genocidal racism if not for that fact that he's also extremely idiotic. His plan is lame. He's just Corypheus without the desire to enter the Black City.

[Nethalf]

i dunno... cuz he ruines everything?

[ComedicSociopathy]

i dunno... cuz he ruines everything?

 

coughcough

 

[Aeratus]

I agree. Solas is one of the best characters in the DAI franchise.

 

Solas is not an evil character.

 

Nowhere does Solas say that Solas is going to kill everyone. "Destroying the world" is figurative, and might or might not mean what you think it means. 

 

One thing that Solas mentions is that people are drawn to black-and-white distinctions. That is exactly what people have fallen into, in labeling Solas "good" or "bad" based on stuff that isn't fully clarified.

[Paragonslustre]

I don't hate him, he must be driven by some other compulsion/someone else.  I just can't believe he's that stupid, I'm not sure he's totally in control.

[ComedicSociopathy]

I agree. Solas is one of the best characters in the DAI franchise.

 

Solas is not an evil character.

 

Nowhere does Solas say that Solas is going to kill everyone. "Destroying the world" is figurative, and might or might not mean what you think it means. 

 

One thing that Solas mentions is that people are drawn to black-and-white distinctions. That is exactly what people have fallen into, in labeling Solas "good" or "bad" based on stuff that isn't fully clarified.

 

He flat out tells you that he plans to destroy the Veil, destroy Thedas and manipulate the raw chaos of its ashes to make his world for the old elves. 

[AnimalBoy]

Because i like Vivienne more.

[Aeratus]

He flat out tells you that he plans to destroy the Veil, destroy Thedas and manipulate the raw chaos of its ashes to make his world for the old elves. 

 

Again, "destroying" the world is figurative and metaphorical. It doesn't necessarily mean what you think it means. And nowhere does he say returning the world into raw chaos (clearly, not possible, since the fade itself was created from raw chaos). 

[Wren]

I agree. Solas is one of the best characters in the DAI franchise.

 

Solas is not an evil character.

 

Nowhere does Solas say that Solas is going to kill everyone. "Destroying the world" is figurative, and might or might not mean what you think it means. 

 

One thing that Solas mentions is that people are drawn to black-and-white distinctions. That is exactly what people have fallen into, in labeling Solas "good" or "bad" based on stuff that isn't fully clarified.

Pretty much this.  Also, the person on twitter who compared Solas to the new PC in Fallout 4 kind of nailed it when they said that they developed a new appreciation for Solas' point of view after playing a character who basically wakes up centuries later to a broken world full of hateful gangs, monstrosities, and desolation and how it takes a really really long time before you care about any of the NPCS you have to interact with..  Now take that and imagine that, in addition, you're the one who caused the world to be like this in the first place.

So, no, Solas is not evil.  He's just unable to accept that he broke the world and he can't fix it.. Well,  not without going back in time, that is.

[Lulupab]

He is the best villain type character Bioware ever created.

 

Some just hate that he lied.

 

Some just hate that he is a clear threat to human rule in Thedas and to Chantry in general.

 

And some other reasons, but those are probably the main ones.

[Ash Wind]

I agree. Solas is one of the best characters in the DAI franchise.

 

Solas is not an evil character.

 

Nowhere does Solas say that Solas is going to kill everyone. "Destroying the world" is figurative, and might or might not mean what you think it means. 

 

One thing that Solas mentions is that people are drawn to black-and-white distinctions. That is exactly what people have fallen into, in labeling Solas "good" or "bad" based on stuff that isn't fully clarified.

Um, couldn't disagree more... he absolutely knows what destroying the veil will do. He is the personification of evil... doesn't care, he want's what he wants, and doesn't care how many he kills.

 

I hope his death in DA4 is the most epic death of all RPG time.

[Lulupab]

The veil is his own creation lol, and we have no real source about state of the word before the veil. Only the fact that life was possible indeed.

[Gervaise]

Perhaps the problem is we had to be so reasonable and civilised as he outlined his plan (because you still needed him to stop the anchor killing you).    When I said "I never thought you would do that, Solas,"   I was expressing extreme disappointment and disillusionment that someone I had come to admire and respect during the main game had actually duped me throughout and was seriously intending to go ahead with his plan.   Then his response: "Thank you."   Like it was meant to be a compliment.   I really wanted to scream at him how awful and monstrous (yes, monstrous, Solas) his plan is.   "I'm not a monster."   "Yes, you are."

 

Yet, strangely enough, I don't actually hate Solas but I do find him incredibly frustrating.  I want to shake him until his teeth rattle.     All the good he could do in the world with his power and yet he wants to wipe the slate clean and start again.    Why all those lectures to my other companions when their behaviour and ideas didn't meet his exacting standards?   Why urge them to change their ways and do things differently when it will make no difference at all in his scheme of things? 

 

I could forgive the original mistake with Corypheus if that had changed things with him; but it seems all that it did was postpone his plan.    I'm rather glad now I busted his wretched orb since otherwise that would have been an end of things there and then.       Even if his plan isn't to totally destroy but radically alter the world in some way he is being incredibly arrogant (living up to his name) for thinking he should be the sole arbiter of how it is changed.    He maintained to his own followers he wasn't a god, nor should they regard the evanuris as such, and yet he is now making a godlike decision on behalf of the whole of Thedas.      So he does make me extremely angry because even if I don't like the set up with the rulers in a lot of the countries of Thedas, I do like the world itself and all the myriad of creatures that inhabit it.   The world has come too far for him to turn back the clock and if I can't get him to see that, I suppose I will have no choice but to kill him.

 

Of course, if we find that actually we're all doomed because of red lyrium spreading across the world, then may be we'll have no choice but I would want some definitive proof about that, not just Solas' word for it.

[dailove]

I agree. Solas is one of the best characters in the DAI franchise.

Solas is not an evil character.

Nowhere does Solas say that Solas is going to kill everyone. "Destroying the world" is figurative, and might or might not mean what you think it means.

One thing that Solas mentions is that people are drawn to black-and-white distinctions. That is exactly what people have fallen into, in labeling Solas "good" or "bad" based on stuff that isn't fully clarified.

[dailove]

This is what I'm getting at, his character is so complex that he can't be defined as just another crazy elf. He says so much more then what his words say, you just have to listen. He def took a while to grow on me, but the more I pay attention to him the more I love the character!

[Hanako Ikezawa]

I agree. Solas is one of the best characters in the DAI franchise.

 

Solas is not an evil character.

 

Nowhere does Solas say that Solas is going to kill everyone. "Destroying the world" is figurative, and might or might not mean what you think it means. 

 

One thing that Solas mentions is that people are drawn to black-and-white distinctions. That is exactly what people have fallen into, in labeling Solas "good" or "bad" based on stuff that isn't fully clarified.

We know he at least plans on the deaths of countless people, since again he straight up tells you that. That alone condemns him. 

[dailove]

He is the best villain type character Bioware ever created.

Some just hate that he lied.

Some just hate that he is a clear threat to human rule in Thedas and to Chantry in general.

And some other reasons, but those are probably the main ones.