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[ComedicSociopathy]

I think he actually intends to save a bunch of them and teach them to be something approximating "his people".  

 

Does he? He claims that his plan would destroy the modern elves as well, but he also makes his call to gather the elven people. I suppose it's possible that he plans to save them somehow, but that would conflict with what he told a Elf Inquisitor.

 

Another possibility is that he's lying to them and is using them as ultimately expendable minions for his plans. Or perhaps these elves are fully aware Solas's plans and don't care if they all die as long as the old empire comes back. 

[Karmel]

1. Elves fought wars with each other, there was misuse of power, slavery, and a great deal of ignorance among average citizens, about what is really going on.

 

2. Solas has created the Veil.

 

3. The Veil destroyed social order, cultural heritage and took from elves advantage of being connected to the Fade. There were casualties, but there is no evidence of intentional destruction of the population.

 

4. People occupy weakened Thedas. That's not in order to help their neighbors. The elves still quarrel, make their own decisions, create a new empire, and again fall. People use every opportunity to strengthen themselves at the expense of earlier inhabitants.

 

5. "Human" Thedas:

- Tevinter - abuse of power, slavery, war with Qunari.

- Orlais - slums, hypocrisy and cruelty - these are national sports, fratricidal struggle for power.

- Ferelden - helpless to defend its own citizens.

- Smaller countries - as above, but on a more modest scale.

- The Chantry - uses faith and is willing to sacrifice the truth in order to achieve political benefits. Divided on many levels. The Divine machinations bring mages and templars war (despite "good intentions" and many other events that led to the confrontation) and split with the previous allies.

 

6. In the face of threats from Corypheus (he was a threat - regardless of whether he had Fen'Harel's orb).

- State authorities - occupied their own affairs. Zero reaction. Tevinter "turned a blind eye" to the Venatori activities.

- Seekers of Truth - the leader voluntarily under the influence of a demon. Allied with the cultists, they destroy themselves and subordinate Templars.

- Mages, Grey Wardens - willing to reach for the help of demons, anyhow reach their goals. Unable to properly assess the situation. Internally conflicted and divided.

- The Chantry - arguing for power, nor thinking about supporting the faithful (as an institution).

 

7. Establishment of Inquisition:

- The only force that reacts to imminent danger.

- Looking for allies, willing to compromise.

- When Inquisitor is willing to show confidence - usually gaining, not losing.

- Trying to search for information, to be most aware of what he faces.

 

8. The Inquisition at 9:43 DA

- Orlais wants to use the Inquisition and forced it to their own purposes.

- Ferelden (and Qunari!) afraid of the Inquisition and wants to solve it.

- The Chantry only playing for time. Its has no intention unequivocally support the Inquisition. And still there are people who remember and are resentful about it, how the Divine has been selected.

- Tevinter sends Dorian. 

 

9. The state of the modern "world":

- Elves - slow extinction;

- Dwarves - slow extinction;

- People - continued fighting among themselves;

- Spirits - more and more transformed into demons.

 

10. The effects of leaving it "as is" (not saying that the Solas' solution is the right / the only one)

- Elves, dwarves, dragons (and many other things) as a minority - will probably disappear from the world, leaving us "poorer".

- People are not able to effectively solve the problems plaguing them. The introduction of meaningful change by force is not an option, because in Thedas there is no such power (hence concerns about the Inquisition). There is also no ideas and the will to solve these problems. Instead, rulers uses the differences to gain more power for themselves.

- The Veil - left to itself, will be getting thinner, it will appear more and more rifts, and eventually completely fall apart.

 

11. In conclusion:

- House (Thedas) has been damaged as a result of old wars and abuse;

- Solas created a temporary roof, which, however, weakened the original inhabitants of the house;

- Now in the house reside "squatters", who have no idea that design over their heads is not natural and "forever and ever". They weaken it even more, because of their activities;

- Finally returns its creator, recognizing that the solution was wrong. That makeshift roof over the ruins does not serve anyone - former owners gives no shelter, and the new do much to its fall on their own heads soon (with vermin that they unknowingly bred there).

 

Of course, that Solas feels responsible for it all, because he decided to take action against his opponents. In the same way the Inquisitor should feel responsible for Thedas. His/Her decisions much has changed - among other things, enabled the progress of Solas' operation... What would happen if they both decided to do nothing? No one could judge them for it - for sure. But to remain indifferent to evil, in no way can be considered positive. Another conclusion of the story - Solas was proud and certain of his choices, now he is only determined and desperate. He has even more limited ways to solve the problem, especially if the aid from Mythal came at a price... Let us learn from him that excessive belief in being right does not lead to anything good and not hasten the issuing judgments.

[Qun00]

My assumption is there is physically something different about the (lets call them two Elven species) and not just culturally.

As for Solas I'm sure he does feel responsible for the Modern Elves, but they are also very present symbol of shame and failure for him as well. He attempted to lift the Elven people from their oppressors and in the process shattered their world and brought them lower than they probably ever were in history. Removed them from the Magic of the Fade, removed their immortality, allowed them to become slaves and outcasts in what once their own world, and forced them for many millennium to live in the lowest stratum of society. They don't even remember their past correctly and therefore could not possibly have learned or grown from it. The Dalish especially (gladly branding themselves with the marks of slavery he so desperately attempted to remove from them) must have come as a huge shock and disappointment.

My thoughts about Solas here (and again this me thinking he plans on removing the Veil to save whatever is left of the Ancient Elves) is that it's not that he doesn't see them as "NOT Special" but he certainly perceives them as flawed. Ignoring the idea that he has convinced himself that current Thedas is not real, the modern Elves are simply some leftover bastardization of his people. A shadow of their former selves, removed too long from the Fade and probably incapable of returning to it physically even if the veil were removed (with the amount of magic involved it would be like trying to shove a Gallon of Water into a Shot-Glass ... that aint going to end well). For Solas Pride and Shame go hand in hand and the only cure (and the only way to "save" him) is through true Humility.

No matter his guilt about their current existence, if Solas feels he cannot "fix" the modern Elves then why should he try? These are just some of my thoughts though...

Well, there is a difference between being misinformed and incapable of learning.

If there are elves interested in becoming part of this different culture, I say let them.

You bastard!

[Madfox11]

 

10. The effects of leaving it "as is" (not saying that the Solas' solution is the right / the only one)

- Elves, dwarves, dragons (and many other things) as a minority - will probably disappear from the world, leaving us "poorer".

- People are not able to effectively solve the problems plaguing them. The introduction of meaningful change by force is not an option, because in Thedas there is no such power (hence concerns about the Inquisition). There is also no ideas and the will to solve these problems. Instead, rulers uses the differences to gain more power for themselves.

- The Veil - left to itself, will be getting thinner, it will appear more and more rifts, and eventually completely fall apart.

 

Are dragons disappearing? I thought they actually returned recently and their pressence seems to be increasing. I remember reading something along that account in DAO.

[Ashagar]

Dragons started appearing at the beginning of the dragon age which is why it became named as the dragon age and their numbers are increasing from being considered wiped out to giving a new lease on life on the Navarran Royal family's historic family pastime.

[AlleluiaElizabeth]

His response to that question drives me mad... and only illuminates how much of a tyrant he is.  "I could tell you, but then you would know I'm full of ****." 

 

 

Still catching up on the thread, but I always got the impression from that answer that he was saying "I could tell you why they have to die, but I can't b/c I know you well enough to know that that knowledge would give you the edge you need to stop my plans."  Basically, its a signal to me that if we can figure out that aspect of his plan, the "why" then that will be the key to stopping him by force/without having to convince him. I don't think he was holding back cus he was full of it about people needing to die and just didn't want to state so.

[Medhia_Nox]

Telling you folks - Solas is a Pride demon that took elven form... "his" people are spirits.  

 

The Forbidden Ones were exiled by the Evanuris because they refused to keep "Form" in the material world.  Even the DA:O codex says that the Forbidden Ones once had corporeal forms. 

 

"For abandoning the People in their time of greatest need, for casting aside form to flee to where the Earth could not reach, we declare Xebenkeck and others of her ilk exiled from the lands of the Evanuris. Beware! Their familiarity with shape allows them to travel paths unaided. They may be bound, but only the protection of your gods will fully shield you from their malice. They are Forbidden from the Earth that is our right."

 

My belief - when the Evanuris unintentionally created the Blight (by pissing off the Earth, by killing the Pillars) - the Forbidden Ones abandoned the other "Corporeal Spirits" and the Evanuris basically accused them of being cowards and cast them back into the Fade. 

 

We KNOW that Ishmael and Gaxkang had human forms indistinguishable from real mortals (like Cole).  I believe the Evanuris did the same. 

[Gervaise]

Do you suppose that Solas is irony impaired?    I've just been playing through CoJ again and have just gone to speak with Solas after conscripting the Templars into the Inquisition.   So he is telling me how we need to watch them carefully (because, you know, a demon fooled them) and then he says:

 

"An enemy may attack but only an ally can betray you.   Betrayal is always worse."   Then he goes on the warn you to watch out for the Elder One because he can't be pleased that you've upset his plans now, twice.  Well you would know how that feels, wouldn't you Solas?

 

I'm thinking to myself; dramatic irony or what?   In fact it is a fun game going through after playing Trespasser and spotting all the examples like this where you wonder how he can have the bare faced (headed) cheek to make such statements.  

 

As for why the current world has to be destroyed.   If it is anything beyond Solas wanting to put things back the way they were before he intervened, then I think it is to do with the Blight.    It was meant to remain shut away in the depths of the Deep Roads but the actions of Cory and his pals released it and second time around Cory made it worse by bringing red lyrium to the surface and "seeding" it across Thedas.    Probably why Solas thought it would be fitting to let Cory activate the orb, because he was the reason Solas was going to have to reset the world again and Solas thought he deserved blowing up; only he miscalculated, again.  

 

Still, if that is the reason then why doesn't he just say so and then we can all put our heads together and see if we can come up with an alternative solution.    Unfortunately it seems that Solas thinks he is the only person  who knows what to do.    It was telling when he asked me what I was going to do with the knowledge of the well, even though I hadn't drunk from it, and if I replied "Consult with other people", Solas Disapproved.    Yet if I said, "Make things better" or some such, he launched into his speech of "What if you wake up one day and find its worse?"   My reply: "Think out what went wrong and try again."    Solas approved of that of course.   "You give me hope".    Too right, I've just endorsed your actions without knowing it.      I do wonder why he bothered asking me at all.

[Medhia_Nox]

@Gervaise:  He does things like that through the entire game... it's crazy.

 

At the beginning of the game he's all:  "Oh my, what kind of item could have made the rifts?"  "Oh, I guess we're hearing whoever it could be that made the rift."  "Oh, you humans are going to blow up the world... again." (conversation with Varric)

Kinda embarrassing how he mocks the player through the entire game once you know about him.

 

As for your last question... he could do that, but.... Solas.

[Boost32]

@Gervaise: He does things like that through the entire game... it's crazy.

At the beginning of the game he's all: "Oh my, what kind of item could have made the rifts?" "Oh, I guess we're hearing whoever it could be that made the rift." "Oh, you humans are going to blow up the world... again." (conversation with Varric)
Kinda embarrassing how he mocks the player through the entire game once you know about him.

As for your last question... he could do that, but.... Solas.

Everyone should already know he is a hipocrite.

[sniper_arrow]

Do you suppose that Solas is irony impaired?    I've just been playing through CoJ again and have just gone to speak with Solas after conscripting the Templars into the Inquisition.   So he is telling me how we need to watch them carefully (because, you know, a demon fooled them) and then he says:

 

"An enemy may attack but only an ally can betray you.   Betrayal is always worse."   Then he goes on the warn you to watch out for the Elder One because he can't be pleased that you've upset his plans now, twice.  Well you would know how that feels, wouldn't you Solas?

 

I'm thinking to myself; dramatic irony or what?   In fact it is a fun game going through after playing Trespasser and spotting all the examples like this where you wonder how he can have the bare faced (headed) cheek to make such statements.  

 

As for why the current world has to be destroyed.   If it is anything beyond Solas wanting to put things back the way they were before he intervened, then I think it is to do with the Blight.    It was meant to remain shut away in the depths of the Deep Roads but the actions of Cory and his pals released it and second time around Cory made it worse by bringing red lyrium to the surface and "seeding" it across Thedas.    Probably why Solas thought it would be fitting to let Cory activate the orb, because he was the reason Solas was going to have to reset the world again and Solas thought he deserved blowing up; only he miscalculated, again.  

 

Still, if that is the reason then why doesn't he just say so and then we can all put our heads together and see if we can come up with an alternative solution.    Unfortunately it seems that Solas thinks he is the only person  who knows what to do.    It was telling when he asked me what I was going to do with the knowledge of the well, even though I hadn't drunk from it, and if I replied "Consult with other people", Solas Disapproved.    Yet if I said, "Make things better" or some such, he launched into his speech of "What if you wake up one day and find its worse?"   My reply: "Think out what went wrong and try again."    Solas approved of that of course.   "You give me hope".    Too right, I've just endorsed your actions without knowing it.      I do wonder why he bothered asking me at all.

 

I think he was looking for guidance after WPHW. The Well of Sorrows is no longer active, the ancient elves are either killed or scattered around Thedas, and his greatest fear is dying alone. 

 

Also, Solas = Pride. He never completely trusts anyone in the Inquisition other than himself and possibly the Inquisitor.

 

I do wonder what Mythal has in store for him in DA4.

[Absafraginlootly]

Perhaps the problem is we had to be so reasonable and civilised as he outlined his plan (because you still needed him to stop the anchor killing you).    When I said "I never thought you would do that, Solas,"   I was expressing extreme disappointment and disillusionment that someone I had come to admire and respect during the main game had actually duped me throughout and was seriously intending to go ahead with his plan.   Then his response: "Thank you."   Like it was meant to be a compliment.   I really wanted to scream at him how awful and monstrous (yes, monstrous, Solas) his plan is.   "I'm not a monster."   "Yes, you are."

 

Yet, strangely enough, I don't actually hate Solas but I do find him incredibly frustrating.  I want to shake him until his teeth rattle.     All the good he could do in the world with his power and yet he wants to wipe the slate clean and start again.    Why all those lectures to my other companions when their behaviour and ideas didn't meet his exacting standards?   Why urge them to change their ways and do things differently when it will make no difference at all in his scheme of things? 

 

I could forgive the original mistake with Corypheus if that had changed things with him; but it seems all that it did was postpone his plan.    I'm rather glad now I busted his wretched orb since otherwise that would have been an end of things there and then.       Even if his plan isn't to totally destroy but radically alter the world in some way he is being incredibly arrogant (living up to his name) for thinking he should be the sole arbiter of how it is changed.    He maintained to his own followers he wasn't a god, nor should they regard the evanuris as such, and yet he is now making a godlike decision on behalf of the whole of Thedas.      So he does make me extremely angry because even if I don't like the set up with the rulers in a lot of the countries of Thedas, I do like the world itself and all the myriad of creatures that inhabit it.   The world has come too far for him to turn back the clock and if I can't get him to see that, I suppose I will have no choice but to kill him.

 

Of course, if we find that actually we're all doomed because of red lyrium spreading across the world, then may be we'll have no choice but I would want some definitive proof about that, not just Solas' word for it.

 

 This post pretty much perfectly sums up my feelings on the matter.

[Karmel]

Cassandra refuses explanations about her brother, because she can not trust an unfamiliar person on an issue that causes her pain.

Iron Bull did not explain that while still being a part of Qun, he will turn against us at the moment when the invasion starts (and even when someone senior shall give him an order).

 

Solas has more reason to distrust than Cassandra.

And certainly he has more rights to remain loyal to their people than the Iron Bull.

 

Dragon Age is a series of games, and as such is guided by its own rules. Blaming characters that could tell us more than they said, is simply... unwise. That's what Solas know, can not be reduced to fifteen sentences. To say that Blight / Red Lyrium / disintegration of The Veil will lead to the inevitable destruction of the world sooner or later - just would lead to new questions. And if it came from Fen'Harel's mouth - many assume it immediately as lies or excuses, when others stilll would expect the 'evidence' from independent sources.

 

In DA: I we learned more about Evanuris. Much indicates that DA4 take us to Tevinter, where we'll find out probably something about The Old Gods. For DA5 remains a matter of The Forgotten Ones, Titans and dwarfs. Cole says that dwarves do not remember themselves. When combined with Valta findings - surely we should be prepared for the next narrative bomb.

 

Personally, I prefer to learn in such a way - than expected to Solas told me about it, because otherwise I decide that he is evil to the bone monster (which he still might be). I would have much less fun in the next game, knowing more right now.

[Dean_the_Young]

 

Exactly my thoughts. Well said.

 

Also, he is only disconnected with the world because it is one he is not familiar with.

 

Sounds like a rather damning indictment of his racism, then.

 

'It's not familiar. Ergo, the world must burn.'

 

 

 

 

This is a totally irrelevant analogy. 

 

First, there is a difference between what someone tells me IRL and what an NPC video game character tells my video game character. As suggested in the above post, video games are for entertainment, and permits conflicts that are outside of IRL social norms.

 

 

You have been defending Solas in the meta on the basis of IRL social norms. Thus, he can be challenged on the basis of those norms as well.

 

Video games permeit conflicts that are outside IRL social norms. They do not justify actions that are outside IRL social norms merely by that fact.

 

 

Second, to kill my family is a directly personal and directly lethal adversity. What solas is doing is not directly personally adverse, and is not directly lethal.  

 

 

Causing a catalcysm that kills people is directly lethal adversity, for the same reason that shooting a person is directly lethal adversity. The fact that there's a gun and a chemical reaction as an intermediary step, and the person may last awhile as they bleed out, doesn't make the prior intent any less relevant.

 

Nor does scale mitigate the crime. In fact, most of the time not being 'directly personal' because of sheer scale is considered a damning element.

 

 

 

 

What Solas is doing is more akin to redeveloping your neighborhood to build a homeless shelter, or taking your farmlands to build a wildlife refuge for endangered species. (This of course isn't a perfect analogy, but far closer than what you have wrote).

 

 

Except for the part about bulldozing the still-lived in homes and burying the people alive to make way for a conquering elite.

 

Oh, and not allowing eviction or relocation of the people, since this is done to everyone and not just a minority of the population. Hopefully your family survives being buried alive.

[berelinde]

BioWare does have a talent for creating divisive issues, the kind that make most people say "Well, duh, of course opposition is the only option," but a few will defend to their last breath. It probably went like this:

 

Writer 1: We haven't started a fan war this installment, have we?

Writer 2: No, and we should do something about that. Any ideas?

Writer 1: Yeah, actually. Let's have Solas tell the protagonist that if his plans succeed, she, her family, and all her friends will die horrible deaths.

Writer 2: Are you serious? Would anybody actually support that?

Writer 1: Watch.

 

I'm not saying that folks are wrong for holding an opinion one way or another. But I am saying that because the issue is based on visceral, emotional values rather than objective logic, neither side is really going to understand where the other side is coming from. You can't rationalize your way through someone else's emotions.

[Dean_the_Young]

@Medhia_Nox

 

Tell me a single reason current Thedas has more right to exist than Elves and Solas.

 

I realize I am not Medhia_Nox, but this has a rather simple answer.

 

The current Thedas exists now.

 

If you would permit me to add a second part-

 

The current Thedas exists now... and outnumbers Solas and 'his' elves.

 

 

The first is relevant for what the facts of the ground is.There's a generally accepted moral principle to the right to life. If you have it, it takes compelling reason to take it away. That ancient elves used to exist does not justify or validating killing off the current Thedas- past life won't be reclaimed by a new atrocity against people who were uninvolved in the actions of the past.

 

The second is the relevance of the political principal of the fundamental principle of all people being of equal worth. Let us, as people ourselves, argue that elves and humans (and Qunari and Dwarves) are fundamentally equal and deserve equal rights, all other things equal. This is, admittedly, not a principle Solas believes- Solas is a racial and magical supremacist, and does not acknowledge most of Thedas as legitimate lifeforms. But Solas's perspective, aside from flawed (as he himself can accept the legitimacy of their lives under certain conditions), is also irrelevant to the calculation of balancing the rights of fundamentally equal people.

 

If people are fundamentally equal- if one elf life is worth one human life- then the greater collection of lives has precedence over the minority, or else the lives themselves are not equal. Elves are already a minority, and Solas's elves are a minority of that minority. Solas's elves, as equals of fundamental worth, do not outweigh the lives of the modern Thedasian elves- let alone the lives of everyone else.

 

Humans and elves and Qunari and Solas's elves all have the right to exist if we believe in the right to life and in equality. There's also the fact that their existence is not inherently mutually exclusive- Solas's elves have existed in the face of time, and are likely to continue existing if they so chose, and could conceivably even exist as a part of Thedas if they so chose (albeit at the cost of immortality, which is a separate matter). Existence without immense bloodshed (as Solas acknowledges would be a consequence of 'burn the world' and his references to 'dying in comfort') is not mutually-incompatible.

 

But- if you do believe that elves deserve equal rights as humans- more people have more right to exist than fewer people have the right to kill them. Thedasian elves have more right to exist than Solas has to kill them for ancient elves to be unimpeded.

[berelinde]

@Dean the Young: I'm impressed that you were able to answer that without a facepalm gif. That's like saying that everyone alive today on Earth should be euthanized so that Walt Disney and other cryogenically frozen people can be thawed without exposing them to modern bacteria. Yeah, a lot of brilliant people were preserved with cryogenics, but killing everyone else to bring them back is insane.

 

Edit: Lest this seem harsher than I intend, I'm not saying that wanting to defrost frozen people is crazy. Voluntarily killing off everyone else to accomplish this end is, though. It would be better to hold off and study both the plan of action and the consequences first. If - and only if - this can be done safely without endangering anyone else, then sure, go ahead and test it on a carefully isolated test subject, and by all that's holy, have a contingency plan in place (evacuation plans, shielding measures, passive controls to restore the Veil). Heck, even the Tevinters in the Silent Ruins had passive controls to isolate the temple if the experiment killed everyone inside.

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[Karmel]

You know, the dispute over who has more rights to Thedas elves or humans, reminds me of a very sensitive issue from RL ... I think you can guess about what I write.

 

It is bloody. It's awful. It's never ending Story.     

 

Someone says, "you want to build a shelter for the homeless on the ashes of my estate".

Someone answers: "you have built your settlement on our cemetery / our land".

 

I do not want to judge who is right! Moreover, I believe that one is not able to objectively judge!

 

What irritates me - those attacking Solas emphasize that he does not care about modern Thedas. This is simply not true. Solas shows a lot of compassion and understanding for all disadvantaged. He do not prefers mages and elves. He estimates Abelas just as factly as Cassandra or Blackwall.

 

Moreover, while the Inquisition is engaged in politics, Fen'Harel prevent coup and Qunari invasion. If not for his actions, the reality of Thedas would be the scenario presented by the Iron Bull. Modern Thedas, for which you so worried, would not exist anymore, lost in the "raw chaos" forced conversion to Qun.

 

Anyway - we've been through it already...

 

All this, however, is less important than the matter, which some still ignores ...

 

Solas appears in Trespasser to say (paraphrasing): "I have my reasons to do this and that. In this way I will destroy your world.". He says that just after he saved Thedas from a bloody takeover and just before he saves (again) Inquisitor life. He does not attack, he comes to warn you.

 

If you say:

"YES! I can not wait to kick your a**!!!"

Solas reply:

"You can try."

 

But if you say:

"Look, there are other ways. We can all be happy."

You will hear:

"I do not quite believe it, but I would love to be wrong (again)."

 

It's so easy! And it is this consistent with what Fen'Harel believes - free will.

You can start preparing for a war with him (because it will be a war, not a massacre of the innocents). You can do nothing. And you can actively start looking for solutions.

To put it briefly: YOU choose whether Solas actually try to destroy your world OR if you both work out a compromise. The Dread Wolf remains open to suggestions... For some time (maybe even several years?).

 

Or at least - for me (and I can be really stupid, of course) - BioWare tried to present it in such a way. The only similar case in the world DA is the choice that offers Arishok (the DAII one   ), so I guess hence so many people find it difficult to believe.

[Boost32]

He cares so much that he will destroy Thedas.
He didn't help the Inquisitor to stop the Qunari, he manipulated him to eliminate the competition, for him to control the Eluvians alone, he didn't do it out of kindness.

[Illegitimus]

Does he? He claims that his plan would destroy the modern elves as well, but he also makes his call to gather the elven people. I suppose it's possible that he plans to save them somehow, but that would conflict with what he told a Elf Inquisitor.

 

 

Given what he said about having already "destroyed the world" it is dangerous to take what he says over-literally.  It's safe to assume that if he finishes his current path most of the people of Thedas will die and with them their cultures.  Beyond that...well his new world will need some breeding stock.  

[berelinde]

Karmel, this thread doesn't exist so people can justify Solas's actions or intentions. It was not intended as a soap box for people to weigh the merits of the final decision of Trespasser. It is titled "Why the hate for Solas?" People are explaining why they dislike, distrust, or otherwise aren't in mad love with him. These people aren't wrong for holding their opinion any more than you are wrong for holding yours.

 

I understand the desire to defend a beloved companion against attack. I'm an unrepentant Anders fan. But the fact remains that people are rarely swayed in their opinions. If they are at all, it's through a rational and disinterested discussion of facts, not because of an emotional appeal. Indeed, the more passionate the defense, the less likely opponents are to be influenced by it. It's possible to hold an intelligent discussion about motives and methods, certainly, but this might not be the best thread for it. If there is a thread entitled "A friendly debate about Solas's plan," that might be a much better choice.

[ComedicSociopathy]

snip

 

If that is the case then why doesn't he momentarily stop his plan and actually listen to what the Inquisitor has to say about the matter?

 

Instead, you tell him there has to be another way, and while he seems sincerely wish there was if your friends with him, he still just walks into an eluvian before you can have an actually discussion about alternatives or forms of compromise. Now, I know he has walk off because DA 4 has to have a villain, but if Solas was as willing to here you out as you claim your talk with him should go on longer. 

[Karmel]

@Boost32

He was completely able to eliminate the Qunari without the participation of the Inquisitor. Inquisitor was there just to Fen'Harel could warn him about his plans and to remove the Anchor.

 

@ComedicSociopathy

Maybe because he knew how much Inquisitor is unaware of what is really happening and therefore he can not propose anything sensible.

 

Or maybe because the authors of the game decided it would be so interesting. 

 

@berelinde

So you're telling me that you prefer to play in your own company?

 

Well, it seemed to me that I explore the topic with you, but ... judging by how quickly you respond, you devoting little time to think about what I wrote, so I guess you're right.

[Medhia_Nox]

@berelinde:  Which is why I would NEVER go to the Solas: Blanketfort thread... because my hatred of the character does not belong in a thread devoted to loving Solas. 

 

On a side note:  I hate Solas WAY more than I hate Anders regardless of the fact that I passionately hate them both (in a "as passionate as I get toward video game NPCs" sort of way) 

[Boost32]

@Boost32
He was completely able to eliminate the Qunari without the participation of the Inquisitor. Inquisitor was there just to Fen'Harel could warn him about his plans and to remove the Anchor.

He eliminated what? 20 Qunaries? It doesn't mean he could destroy them all, even if he could it wouldn't stop them to continue with their powers over the Eluvians if the Inquisitor didn't storm their fortress.
And lol at second part, he didn't do it because of those things, he didn't expect the Inquisitor at that time.