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[Anvos]

Probably brought up already but there is a lot of reason to hate him just off the fact that by the end of Tresspasser its pretty much revealed he is more the leader of the Radical Elf Supremicist Party than rebel trying to good, where he is so facist that even any elf but ancient elves aren't elfy enough for him.

 

Compare that to even the Magister Lords of ancient tevintar who while they were highly supremist and viewed non-mages and other races as inferior to them they atleast still considered them people, Solas doesn't.

[vbibbi]

And just because it would be advisable to reach for different mediums or play previous games doesn't yet means that it's bad.
While I'm not arguing that some plot elements or character could perhaps be introduced better or given more information about, the open, multi-media, multi-series story doesn't owe anyone to give all the information on a silver platter in every story chapter: on the contrary, it actively encourages people to reach for all other chapters and installments, which is not only pretty smart in terms of business, but it also makes a larger point about human perception (as in, our perception of characters or events) being shaped by how much we know, or how much we decide to know.

I don't think a company telling consumers "hey, we decided not to provide as much information about the setting and characters as we could have, because we want you to buy our other media" is a good business decision. How likely is is that someone on playing WEWH is going to look online to find out that a book was released a few months prior to the game which will go into more detail about the characters and the civil war? How would players know to even look for this and not just assume it's bad writing in the game? The people who know about the book were going to read it already, and having poor characterization in a game isn't going to encourage new players to purchase a book. It just harms relations with consumers by requiring multiple purchases in order to enjoy a product which shouldn't need other materials at $65.

[midnight tea]

Probably brought up already but there is a lot of reason to hate him just off the fact that by the end of Tresspasser its pretty much revealed he is more the leader of the Radical Elf Supremicist Party than rebel trying to good, where he is so facist that even any elf but ancient elves aren't elfy enough for him.

 

Compare that to even the Magister Lords of ancient tevintar who while they were highly supremist and viewed non-mages and other races as inferior to them they atleast still considered them people, Sola doesn't.

 

He does, actually - if you get even +1 approval with Inquisitor, he fully admits that people of Thedas are people and they deserve better. Plus, all this approval in the main game for helping everyone, no matter of the race, isn't just for show.

 

Also - you misunderstand his motivations. It's not about the ancient elves, but about what he's done to the world in order to stop the Evanuris. It saved the world, but it has also effectively "lobotomized" the population, by cutting their conscious connection to the Fade. He wouldn't be saying that the people of Thedas reminded him of Tranquil if he didn't see just how changed they are compared to what they were before. They aren't ancient elves or anything like it, because they literally can't be and it's his fault.

 

So he tries to reverse that - now I'm not saying that his way of doing so is something I'm cheering for. I do hope there is another way to do things that don't require entire civilization collapsing again and if not, then Solas would likely have to be removed. But it's something way more complicated than "he's just some ancient elf supremacist".

[midnight tea]

I don't think a company telling consumers "hey, we decided not to provide as much information about the setting and characters as we could have, because we want you to buy our other media" is a good business decision. How likely is is that someone on playing WEWH is going to look online to find out that a book was released a few months prior to the game which will go into more detail about the characters and the civil war? How would players know to even look for this and not just assume it's bad writing in the game?

 

It's only bad writing if you assume that the story is supposed to be self-contained. It isn't. It's as simple as that.

 

Or are you going to tell me that what Marvel does with Avengers now is a bad business decision, instead of something that brought them millions of dollars and mass popularity? Is the fact that many significant events happen outside of the main Avengers movies - but in those that follow individual heroes instead of a group - really a case of "bad writing" if we know that the nature of the franchise is not the one of self-contained story?

 

I advise to get used to that: the way Marvel or Bioware does things is now pretty much becoming current entertainment industry's standard (and was a standard for many years for comic industry and franchises like Star Wars I'd like to remind): we get a story that is much larger than just one chapter and often encourages or requires for us to reach for additional material in order to fully grasp all the events.

[TheKomandorShepard]

It's only bad writing if you assume that the story is supposed to be self-contained. It isn't. It's as simple as that.

 

Or are you going to tell me that what Marvel does with Avengers now is a bad business decision, instead of something that brought them millions of dollars and mass popularity? Is the fact that many significant events happen outside of the main Avengers movies - but in those that follow individual heroes instead of a group - really a case of "bad writing" if we know that the nature of the franchise is not the one of self-contained story?

 

I advise to get used to that: the way Marvel or Bioware does thing is now pretty much becoming current entertainment industry's standard (and was a standard for many years for comic industry and franchises like Star Wars I'd like to remind): we get a story that is much larger than just one chapter and often encourages or requires for us to reach for additional material in order to fully grasp all the events.

LoL, good writing and success of the product are 2 different things as game doesn't need great plot in order to sell in fact it doesn't need to be good what matters is marketing you don't need search far to prove it just look at CoD. Just funny reality that product doesn't need to be good in order to sell.

 

Avengers (and other marvel moves) are a chaotic mess that makes no sense, not example of good writing just targeted audience was one that was focused on action and fights solely rest did good marketing.

 

Star Wars was trilogy and it focused on telling story of the certain character, dragon age isn't or at least devs claimed so , they did poorly job in that matter.

[midnight tea]

@midnight tea:  I think you're missing the point when I say "self-contained". 

 

It is not the fact that Corypheus was a puppet of Solas.  That's a perfectly fine story.  

But Corypheus lacks anima.  He doesn't carry the story well on his own.  When revealed AS the missing piece to a larger story he makes more sense... but this is very poor storytelling.

 

Corypheus should have carried DA:I on his own.  I think Corypheus was tragic not because he was used by o'le bald rat face... but because he was not used enough by the writers.  The character carries with it so much more than Solas ever could simply because we have been inundated with "Maker" "Golden City" "Black City" "Blight" and "Magisters" since the opening scenes of DA:O.  

 

While I'm not arguing that Corypheus could be implemented better, I can't help but to appreciate the glorious irony of a pretty straightforward villain actually saving the world from someone who is mostly forced to act through tragic circumstances and own guilt and may yet be redeemed. So the "badder" villain has pretty much saved us from a "better" one, who would destroy the world if it wasn't for Cory's effective immortality. I love it.

 

But it's not just glorious irony - I'd agree that it would be bad storytelling if it was mostly about actually defeating Corypheus, but it wasn't. Corypheus was there to be a catalyst - the game was predominantly about the rise of Inquisitor and Inquisition, as well as setting up the stage for forces and powers that actually led not just to creation of Thedas as it is, but also the true secrets of Maker, Blight and Golden City. Corypheus could never answer or throw more light at it, because like all other magisters (the only other we've seen so far being the Architect - where are other 5?) he was always a pawn in hands of higher forces. He's found enough of his own agency prior to DAI to actually become more of an obstacle than a pawn, but it was rather obvious that he's not here to provide us with many answers, just like Architect wasn't.

 

 

I am personally against Tresspasser... as I feel it undermines the story and ONLY feels so good for people because it finally adds gravitas to the tale.  Tresspasser is the first time you feel like the things you are doing have any bearing on the greater whole.  

 

 

... So saving the world from imminent disaster doesn't have any bearing on a greater whole? Is anything Inquisitor does - unifying South and having a chance to get to know or even befriend one of the most pivotal character in all of DA's franchise has no bearing?

The fact that it was only in epilogue that we feel how strong of a connection what we do in DAI has to a greater whole doesn't really do disservice to the plot, but only enhances it, IMO. I can't see Trespasser as anything more than gratifying when it gives me the feeling that what my character has done is actually not just something that has significance only for one chapter, only to be put mostly-off screen for another - that they're not just a pawn in hands' fate, but very much can be players in the game for the highest stakes.

 

Really, I an't find a fault in that.

 

 

DA:2 was terrible for being just an interlude for DA:I... and while DA:I recovered... it still suffered from the same poor story pacing.

 

The entire problem with DA:I... is that we're talking about Solas now and not Corypheus. 

 

... Lol, the strength of storytelling doesn't lie on how actively we discuss the villain of the previous installment. I'm pretty sure people had much more important or interesting things to discuss back when DAO or DAII were released than Uhtremiel or Meredith.

 

Still, we would always be more intrigued by Solas than Corypheus - it's inescapable: Corypheus could never be what Solas is in terms of character importance for entire Thedas. Cory might have had a hand in deeply shaping Thedas, that with being an ancient Tevinter magister who has unleashed the Blight, but he was still always a pawn who knew little of what really happened to him - while Solas is deeply connected with things that predates not just Corypheus or formation of modern Thedas, but way past that.

 

Besides - what better way to make people talking and be actively interested with the series? If Solas simply disappeared, people would just forget about DA until the new game was created, nor be as interested in any additional material BW had in offer. That way, we at least have some interesting topics for a discussion.

[midnight tea]

LoL, good writing and success of the product are 2 different things as game doesn't need great plot in order to sell in fact it doesn't need to be good what matters is marketing you don't need search far to prove it just look at CoD. Just funny reality that product doesn't need to be good in order to sell.

 

Avengers (and other marvel moves) are a chaotic mess that makes no sense, not example of good writing just targeted audience was one that was focused on action and fights solely rest did good marketing.

 

Star Wars was trilogy and it focused on telling story of the certain character, dragon age isn't or at least devs claimed so , they did poorly job in that matter.

 

Your point being? The fact that a product doesn't necessarily have to be good in order to sell doesn't mean that good marketing and good quality are mutually exclusive thing. The bad quality of a product usually shows somewhere - how quickly people drop it, how fervently it is discussed, or how critically acclaimed given pieces of series, or a series is.

 

Nobody really discusses drivel like Twilight or 50 Shades Of Grey or CoD or Transformers (or at least does so and praises them much), or gives them really good reviews - a lot of its attention is a negative one, or one that reminds more of people being curious about an oddity in a freak show rather than quality product. It's different with things people actually like - and both the Avengers franchise as well as Dragon Age games seem to be generally things many people generally like, for variety of reasons, decent writing and good ideas included.

 

Also - I'm talking about Star Wars as a franchise, not as a trilogy. It's pointless to talk just about one trilogy in the context of this discussion, especially considering that's now there's two of them and the third one is in the making... I do have to wonder if you actually watched even the original though. Because as much as I'm not really that familiar with Star Wars, I did watch both trilogies a few times and I do know that while SW has a main protagonist, it is distinctly a story of more than one character - in fact it's about the story of quite a few characters, with a ton of arcs interwoven with one another.

[Medhia_Nox]

@midnight tea:  Well, we'll have to agree to disagree in what makes a good story... cause I don't talk about Solas because I find him compelling.  I find him twirly mustache laughably obviously evil and in need of a serious curb stomping.  

 

I find Corypheus more compelling in an Oedipus "you got what you wanted and it was horrifying" sort of way. 

 

Corypheus "could" have been a Frankenstein, Dracula or Wolfman... a classic.

 

Solas will never be that... ever (incidentally, neither will Corypheus)

[Almostfaceman]

Modern elves have a different look about them than the ancient ones. Abelas could probably tell the difference. Further, we have epilogues from Trespasser talking about strange elves stirring. And Felassan came from somewhere. I think it's safe to say that there are other populations of ancient elves.

 

Not really. I've seen the elves in the temple, the Inquisitor, Solas, Sera. They all look the same. 

 

"You think" it's safe to say that there are other populations of ancient elves, but there's no evidence of such and that weakens your argument. Remember, Solas admits to making the ancient elves mortal. The evidence is, right now, that the ancient elves became mortal and died. A tiny remnant at the Temple of Mythal doesn't counter this fact of lore. 

 

The participant of this story is much more invested in the story of the modern elf. I don't see Bioware introducing some hidden sect of ancient elves... elves who haven't suffered persecution at the hands of humans and qunari. It follows story logic and makes much more dramatic sense that Bioware amp this up as a possible "Time of reckoning" for the modern elf - some of it justified. 

[midnight tea]

@midnight tea:  Well, we'll have to agree to disagree in what makes a good story... cause I don't talk about Solas because I find him compelling.  I find him twirly mustache laughably obviously evil and in need of a serious curb stomping.  

 

I find Corypheus more compelling in an Oedipus "you got what you wanted and it was horrifying" sort of way. 

 

Lol, the whole of Solas life appears to be "you got what you wanted and it's horrifying". He tried to help and save the world, but due to whatever personal faults and sheer unfavorable circumstances it came at extreme cost, both for him personally and for the world at large. The possibility of him turning into a twisted monster is also not off the table too, given all the hints in DAI. If you don't intend to notice that he's far from twirly mustache obviously evil in need of curb stomping, I'm not going to do much here to convince you otherwise, but the fact that other people are eager to discuss him should already gives a hint that he's not so easy to categorize as some people would like him to be, be it on "good" or "evil" side.

In either case, Weekes confirmed that if there's going to be DA4, we'd be presented multiple ways to deal with him, so there's that.

[TheKomandorShepard]

Your point being? The fact that a product doesn't necessarily have to be good in order to sell doesn't mean that good marketing and good quality are mutually exclusive thing. The bad quality of a product usually shows somewhere - how quickly people drop it, how fervently it is discussed, or how critically acclaimed given pieces of series, or a series is.

 

Nobody really discusses drivel like Twilight or 50 Shades Of Grey or CoD or Transformers (or at least does so and praises them much), or gives them really good reviews - a lot of its attention is a negative one, or one that reminds more of people being curious about an oddity in a freak show rather than quality product. It's different with things people actually like - and both the Avengers franchise as well as Dragon Age games seem to be generally things many people generally like, for variety of reasons, decent writing and good ideas included.

 

Also - I'm talking about Star Wars as a franchise, not as a trilogy. It's pointless to talk just about one trilogy in the context of this discussion, especially considering that's now there's two of them and the third one is in the making... I do have to wonder if you actually watched even the original though. Because as much as I'm not really that familiar with Star Wars, I did watch both trilogies a few times and I do know that while SW has a main protagonist, it is distinctly a story of more than one character - in fact it's about the story of quite a few characters, with a ton of arcs interwoven with one another.

 

My point is that you mistake good writing with good sale trying to sell avengers as example. No it doesn't, of course there will be people that properly criticize game for all its aspects instead just emotions after playing game but as ratings of games show if game isn't horrible it will most likely score 8, 9 or even 10 out of 10 even if game is medicore or just dececent best example is dai that was given goty status despite game left a lot to be desired on many aspects.

 

Except they do, or at least excluding twilight and 50 shades that are hated on the internet , Cod while mocked by internet still gets high rates both by reviewers and players with some exceptions.Did you just say Avengers have decent writing? Avengers have horrible writing as i said marvel movies are chaotic mess that doesn't make sense they have tones of plot holes , fake characters deaths and idiocies pulled out by either heroes and more often villains in order so heroes can escape or win that it hurts.

 

It doesn't matter, the whole movie franchise is divided into 2 trilogies first trilogy tells story of Luke while second of Anakin when they have some connection (some characters have connection to that from another trilogy or have role in them) they are about entirely different conflict.In fact i watched both trilogies and have some contact with EU , also SW movies are story of single character and focus on that character is main protagonist , of course other characters are involved in story and have their moments as pretty much it is in case in almost every other movie.   

[Medhia_Nox]

Lol, the whole of Solas life appears to be "you got what you wanted and it's horrifying". He tried to help and save the world, but due to whatever personal faults and sheer unfavorable circumstances it came at extreme cost, both for him personally and for the world at large. The possibility of him turning into a twisted monster is also not off the table too, given all the hints in DAI. If you don't intend to notice that he's far from twirly mustache obviously evil in need of curb stomping, I'm not going to do much here to convince you otherwise, but the fact that other people are eager to discuss him should already gives a hint that he's not so easy to categorize as some people would like him to be, be it on "good" or "evil" side.

In either case, Weekes confirmed that if there's going to be DA4, we'd be presented multiple ways to deal with him, so there's that.

I don't consider the fact that people are willing to discuss him a reflection on Solas as much as it is a reflection on the people discussing Solas.  *shrugs* 

And you are correct - there's little you could say that can convince me Solas is anything more than I think he is.  We've played the same game.

 

The only thing that can convince me of anything different about Solas is the next time my new character encounters him.  

[midnight tea]

I don't consider the fact that people are willing to discuss him a reflection on Solas as much as it is a reflection on the people discussing Solas.  *shrugs* 

And you are correct - there's little you could say that can convince me Solas is anything more than I think he is.  We've played the same game.

 

Gotta love the slight jab - it's the problem with the people, not the merit of character, heh... Well, the thing is I mean discussion, not an echo chamber, and also a discussion that is not necessarily one in which everybody has the same opinion about Solas. That thread alone shows that there's a variety of them after all.

 

Also: we've played the same game, yet we came to different conclusions - so saying that we've played the game is sort of a moot point.

[X Equestris]

Not really. I've seen the elves in the temple, the Inquisitor, Solas, Sera. They all look the same. 
 
"You think" it's safe to say that there are other populations of ancient elves, but there's no evidence of such and that weakens your argument. Remember, Solas admits to making the ancient elves mortal. The evidence is, right now, that the ancient elves became mortal and died. A tiny remnant at the Temple of Mythal doesn't counter this fact of lore. 
 
The participant of this story is much more invested in the story of the modern elf. I don't see Bioware introducing some hidden sect of ancient elves... elves who haven't suffered persecution at the hands of humans and qunari. It follows story logic and makes much more dramatic sense that Bioware amp this up as a possible "Time of reckoning" for the modern elf - some of it justified.

Leilani mentions reports of elves like the temple guardians being spotted in the Tirashan. Good enough evidence for me of a remnant ancient elf population being stirred.

[Almostfaceman]

Leilani mentions reports of elves like the temple guardians being spotted in the Tirashan. Good enough evidence for me of a remnant ancient elf population being stirred.

 

Why? 

[Almostfaceman]

Leilani mentions reports of elves like the temple guardians being spotted in the Tirashan. Good enough evidence for me of a remnant ancient elf population being stirred.

 

Exploring this even further, all this is evidence of is that the same sect from the Temple of Mythal is active. It is not evidence of any more of these groups. 

 

Leliana and her agents continue to support the Inquisition. Though Solas continues to elude her, Leliana relays to the Inquisitor that she has been receiving reports of Sentinel elves being active in the Tirashan.

 

The Sentinel Elves are the elves from the Temple of Mythal.

 

The Sentinels are ancient elves, temple guardians who in some cases personally remember the last days of Elvhenan's greatness. They live a life of duty, frequently entering Uthenera and waking only to defend their temple. They are the last "true" priests of their Temples and gods, as well as warriors.

 

The idea of hidden groups of ancient elves is an intriguing one. But from a standpoint of evidence from the story in the game, there is no evidence for any other groups. 

 

It is much more likely that the group of elves we're already invested in - the modern elves - is the group Solas is concerned about. Solas made the elves mortal, thus the ancient elves have all but died out. The "modern" elves are the people we've seen suffering, treated as second class citizens, seen as slaves. It makes much more sense that Bioware, having invested us in the plight of these elves, further explores the future of these people as possibly being restored to their natural state and having a shot at rebuilding Arlathan. 

[X Equestris]

Exploring this even further, all this is evidence of is that the same sect from the Temple of Mythal is active. It is not evidence of any more of these groups. 
 
Leliana and her agents continue to support the Inquisition. Though Solas continues to elude her, Leliana relays to the Inquisitor that she has been receiving reports of Sentinel elves being active in the Tirashan.
 
The Sentinel Elves are the elves from the Temple of Mythal.
 
The Sentinels are ancient elves, temple guardians who in some cases personally remember the last days of Elvhenan's greatness. They live a life of duty, frequently entering Uthenera and waking only to defend their temple. They are the last "true" priests of their Temples and gods, as well as warriors.
 
The idea of hidden groups of ancient elves is an intriguing one. But from a standpoint of evidence from the story in the game, there is no evidence for any other groups. 
 
It is much more likely that the group of elves we're already invested in - the modern elves - is the group Solas is concerned about. Solas made the elves mortal, thus the ancient elves have all but died out. The "modern" elves are the people we've seen suffering, treated as second class citizens, seen as slaves. It makes much more sense that Bioware, having invested us in the plight of these elves, further explores the future of these people as possibly being restored to their natural state and having a shot at rebuilding Arlathan.

You do realize there is more than just one temple that would have sentinels, right? It's a long ways from the Arbor Wilds to the Tirashan. I doubt they walked all the way there.

Solas straight up says he's doesn't consider modern elves to be his people. He killed Felassan for being sympathetic to Briala. And unless the Inquisitor is on favorable terms with him, Solas doesn't even see them, or anyone else other than the sentinels, as being people at all.

[Almostfaceman]

You do realize there is more than just one temple that would have sentinels, right? It's a long ways from the Arbor Wilds to the Tirashan. I doubt they walked all the way there.
 

 

There's nothing in the game that states there's more than one temple intact enough to be the home of any Sentinels. That would be your imagination. And people walk "all the way there" all the time. For instance the Cole war table mission "Locate Rhys and Evangeline" is acquired on one side of the map and then the follow up mission "Deploy Rhys and Evangeline" is on the other side of the map. 

 

With regards to Solas and how he regards people and personhood I don't agree with you, I wrote a thread on the topic here. 

[TK514]

The Sentinel Elves are the elves from the Temple of Mythal.

 

Wild, unsupported speculation.

[Almostfaceman]

Wild, unsupported speculation.

 

Wrong. I linked it previously, but here it is again, from the wiki. Here. 

[midnight tea]

There's nothing in the game that states there's more than one temple intact enough to be the home of any Sentinels. 

 

There was nothing there stating that there was a nearly intact Temple Of Mythal in the game, up until we actually went there, so it's not really a good argument. We saw in Trespasser how many undiscovered ancient elvhen ruins there are, as well as a myriad of Crossroad-like pocket dimensions, and there's no telling how many of them exist yet and which are inhabited. Solas wouldn't be saying to Abelas that "his people yet linger" if he didn't mean it. He may be a trickster who deceived everyone by simple omission, but he hardly ever directly lies.

 

Also - if I recall, Leliana's reports mention strange elves that look like Sentinels, NOT necessarily Sentinels themselves. Solas isn't one, yet he wears similar armor, meaning that they were probably "in fashion" across Elvenhan before the empire went bust, lol.

 

Plus, the game we can play in DA Keep mentions Serault inhabitants being sometimes raided by strange elves wearing red vallaslin. None of the elves in Temple of Mythal wore red tattoos - in fact, if I recall correctly, they were all emerald green.

 

Given that we know that Fen'Harel detests vallaslins for what they represent, and went about to free people from them, and effecivly from slavery to others, it's unlikely he'd force anyone to wear it. The guy stands by his principles... yet.

 

And red? I'd like to point out that red is a color of the Blight and Solas detests and fears Blight seemingly more than anything else. Whoever resides at Tirashan, I'd be more inclined to believe that they're tied to the trapped Evanuris more than they're to Fen'Harel.

 

 

That would be your imagination. And people walk "all the way there" all the time. For instance the Cole war table mission "Locate Rhys and Evangeline" is acquired on one side of the map and then the follow up mission "Deploy Rhys and Evangeline" is on the other side of the map. 

 

That doesn't mean anything at all. The Inquisition at the height of its power has many agents and allies, and messages can be delivered quickly across the map via message birds - plus, we have no idea of the time-frame each mission gets to be accomplished, realistically in-game, other than it's definitely more than a few days - and realistically, few weeks or months even.

 

 

It is much more likely that the group of elves we're already invested in - the modern elves - is the group Solas is concerned about. Solas made the elves mortal, thus the ancient elves have all but died out. The "modern" elves are the people we've seen suffering, treated as second class citizens, seen as slaves. It makes much more sense that Bioware, having invested us in the plight of these elves, further explores the future of these people as possibly being restored to their natural state and having a shot at rebuilding Arlathan. 

 

Solas isn't concerned about modern elves any more than he is concerned about others, since many more groups other than elves suffer greatly and the whole world suffers because of decisions he's made in the past - in fact, after Halamshiral, he can be caught off-guard and admit that he feels more connection with the mages than modern elves. Because this is exactly what cost the world when he created the Veil to save everyone from Evanuris and their mad plans: he cut most people's conscious connection with the Fade, and only mages in modern world retain it, at least in some measure.

 

He may value the remnants of ancient elves for their memories of how things were, the lost knowledge and power and likely would seek to rescue it for the sake of these memories or knowledge, but ultimately he wants to return "the world of the elves" (the world with the Fade flowing freely through the world and the people connected to it, as they were before), NOT necessarily ancient Arlathan or Elvenhan. He tells Dorian that Elvenhan was no more innocent than Tevinter in its time - a harsh assessment, given his sentiments about Tevinter. He also tells Dorian not to romanticize ancient elves; that it is pointless.

 

Plus, don't forget that if Inquisitor doesn't complete the rites in Temple Of Mythal and doesnt' ally with Sentinels, he's very upset, but he kills them anyway - in fact he seems no more upset than he was with conscripting mages, keeping Wardens or sacrificing Bull's Chargers.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Wrong. I linked it previously, but here it is again, from the wiki. Here. 

That wiki never says the Sentinel Elves at Tirashan are the same Sentinel Elves from the Temple of Mythal. Considering you can kill the Sentinel Elves in the Temple of Mythal and yet Leliana still gets those reports, it suggests they are a different group. 

[Gervaise]

The elves in the Tirashan worship the Forgotten Ones rather than the other evanuris; hence the red vallaslin.   Except of course that they probably know their names; they are only forgotten by the Dalish.    So clearly the Tirashan elves cannot be Dalish and cannot be the sentinels from the Temple of Mythal.    Thus it follows they can only be other ancient elves (or their descendants) separate from the other two groups.    If they look like and wear armour like the sentinels of the Temple of Mythal, then there is a strong likelihood they are ancient elves guarding a temple dedicated to all or one of the Forgotten Ones, who were disturbed from uthenara by some group coming close to their Temple, or alternatively have found another way to prolong their lives, for example by blood magic sacrifice (elven vampires anyone?)

[TK514]

Wrong. I linked it previously, but here it is again, from the wiki. Here. 

Absolutely nothing on that page suggests they are the same group.

[X Equestris]

The elves in the Tirashan worship the Forgotten Ones rather than the other evanuris; hence the red vallaslin.   Except of course that they probably know their names; they are only forgotten by the Dalish.    So clearly the Tirashan elves cannot be Dalish and cannot be the sentinels from the Temple of Mythal.    Thus it follows they can only be other ancient elves (or their descendants) separate from the other two groups.    If they look like and wear armour like the sentinels of the Temple of Mythal, then there is a strong likelihood they are ancient elves guarding a temple dedicated to all or one of the Forgotten Ones, who were disturbed from uthenara by some group coming close to their Temple, or alternatively have found another way to prolong their lives, for example by blood magic sacrifice (elven vampires anyone?)

Why do you say that it has to be the Forgotten Ones? They could be dedicated to another of the Evanuris. Perhaps each one had a specific color the vallaslin were in.