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[Aeratus]

Loghain is the best villain/anti-hero Dragon Age has produced so far. Even Meredith is better than Solas is. Solas is more along the lines of villains like Howe or Anders.

 

Loghain was well written, but his character isn't really intertwined in the mythology of the Dragon Age series. The same story of Loghain (basically a crafty politician who betrays a king) could be applied to just about any setting. 

 

On the other hand, Solas represents a conflict intertwined in the settings of DA. Solas represents (in mentality and origin) a higher-order being different from the ordinary people of Thedas, and the conflict between these two "peoples." Solas' is more rich in this sense, and more interesting from a Lore perspective.

 

Overall, I think Solas is the more interesting anti-hero than Loghain.

 

As for the DA2 characters....that game wasn't any good in the first place, and all the characters suffered from the game's weak writing.  

[Medhia_Nox]

@Lulupad:  They're all repugnant individuals unworthy of respect. 

 

Just because they have "reasons" doesn't mean those reasons "should" be excusable.

 

That you find Solas and Anders understandable... but Meredith irredeemable - only speaks to your bias (that and your avatar of course). 

 

And I have no need to "prove" it - but I knew Solas was going to be a problem from the first minute in Haven.  That I didn't know what kind of problem he would be is irrelevant (and that I could deal with him while he was powerless slightly infuriating).  I was more "shocked" that Flemeth was Mythal (and disappointed to be honest) - but since I think she's going to be the key in crushing Solas - I give her a pass.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Meredith has no redeemable qualities, she was damaged beyond repair. You have a dialogue with Cullen that says she was pretty much lost way before getting in contact with Red Lyrium.

Source? I know Cullen says Meredith was pretty much lost, but never heard him say before she had the Red Lyrium sword. 

 

Loghain is a good one, but he is very typical paranoid nationalist.

Doesn't matter if he is paranoid. Faults add to the character, remember? That's what you said about Solas being the best. Loghain is better in the sense he is more consistent, has a believable and even sympathetic reason for thinking how he does, has what he thinks are the best intentions for those he is sworn to protect, etc. All this makes for a fascinating villain/anti-hero, and are things Solas lacks. Thus Loghain is better. 

 

Solas was there from the beginning. Saved Inquisitor's life, saved Inquisition itself. Was quite emotional and sympathetic towards many events. He is the last hope of Elves on Thedas, if anyone was going to help them, they had a thousand year to do so. No one did.

And if Solas never started his whole plan to destroy modern Thedas, none of the events in DAI would have happened. He wasn't being helpful, he was cleaning up a mess that he made that was now interfering with his plans. He saw the Inquisitor and Inquisition as merely tools to do so. There is nothing sympathetic in that. 

 

And no, he is not the last hope for the elves of Thedas since he plans on them dying along with every other race. The only elves he is helping are the ancient ones, the ones who don't see the elves that need help as even people. Plus I'd say Andraste was a pretty big help towards the elves. 

 

 

As for Anders, he is not even a villain and pure anti-hero and he has a lot more redeemable qualities than Meredith. While having a spirit that screams Vengeance inside him, he can love, he can heal, cares nothing for personal gain be it money or otherwise and is pretty much incorruptible in a sense that you cannot trick or force him to stray away from his goals. Plus he is an underdog. He doesn't have power like Meredith and Loghain do. Another anti-hero quality. Villains are almost never underdogs.

No he doesn't. He massacred hundreds of innocent people with his bomb and sacrifices an entire Circle of mages, the people he says he is trying to help, just to send a message. All he wanted was war. 

What? There are lots of villains who were/are underdogs. 

 

Back to Solas he has a very clear character arch in opposed to your examples who go crazy and lustful for power in an instant without any room for character development. The shock everyone had at the end with Solas and Flemeth clearly shows this. I'm sorry but Loghain and Meredith are ants in comparison. Look around you, even in this forum, the evidence is everywhere. Solas was planned to be what he is since Fen'harrel was mentioned, and that dates back to beginning of DAO. Stop using naive words like "lunatic".

What character development? The character that Solas set up was all a fabrication to conceal his true self, and he is going against what he stood for while as the Dread Wolf. He has gone crazy and lustful for power to achieve his ends, just like the people you are saying are bad villains/anti-heroes. 

 

No, he wasn't. DAO was planned to be a standalone game since Bioware didn't think it would get sequels. That's why they had to retcon all the Epilogue slides. 

 

What evidence?

 

My using lunatic was a case of wordplay. The word originates from people who go crazy at the full moon, he is the Dread Wolf and wolves howl and act slightly different during full moons, so it fits. Though he does fit the definition for it in the sense he is insane. 

[Lulupab]

@Lulupad:  They're all repugnant individuals unworthy of respect. 

 

Just because they have "reasons" doesn't mean those reasons "should" be excusable.

 

That you find Solas and Anders understandable... but Meredith irredeemable - only speaks to your bias (that and your avatar of course). 

 

And I have no need to "prove" it - but I knew Solas was going to be a problem from the first minute in Haven.  That I didn't know what kind of problem he would be is irrelevant (and that I could deal with him while he was powerless slightly infuriating).  I was more "shocked" that Flemeth was Mythal (and disappointed to be honest) - but since I think she's going to be the key in crushing Solas - I give her a pass.

 

Anders had a spirit of Vengeance inside him, Meredith did not. Yet he its she who goes mad and turns into statue. Anders can be alive and well in DA:I, there are actually quite a bit of mentions about him.

 

I cannot compare Anders' situation to anything in reality, but I can Meredith. Her only place is a mental hospital. Maybe she can come out a better person after, but alas they don't exist in Thedas, and she was always a lost cause.

[DebatableBubble]

He's an elf. That's all the reason I need.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Loghain was well written, but his character isn't really intertwined in the mythology of the Dragon Age series. The same story of Loghain (basically a crafty politician who betrays a king) could be applied to just about any setting. 

 

On the other hand, Solas represents a conflict intertwined in the settings of DA. Solas represents (in mentality and origin) a higher-order being different from the ordinary people of Thedas, and the conflict between these two "peoples." Solas' is more rich in this sense, and more interesting from a Lore perspective.

 

Overall, I think Solas is the more interesting anti-hero than Loghain.

 

As for the DA2 characters....that game wasn't any good in the first place, and all the characters suffered from the game's weak writing.  

Not really. Solas' story is one that has been done countless times before in countless different settings over the course of storytelling. His isn't any more unique than other stories. There are unique details absolutely, but that is the case with all stories since it is the details that set stories apart now. 

 

I cannot compare Anders' situation to anything in reality

Sure you can: two distinct personalities living in the same body telling the person to do things is a medical condition known as Dissociative Identity Disorder or Multiple Personality Disorder.

[Lulupab]

Source? I know Cullen says Meredith was pretty much lost, but never heard him say before she had the Red Lyrium sword.

Play the game, I have zero idea what to actually look for to go to that source. It comes up in personal discussions with him and he says it was all Meredith's fault and she bothered the mages for no real reason. Made them tranquil for sending letters. Maddox is product of Meredith, as you well know.
 

Doesn't matter if he is paranoid. Faults add to the character, remember? That's what you said about Solas being the best. Loghain is better in the sense he is more consistent, has a believable and even sympathetic reason for thinking how he does, has what he thinks are the best intentions for those he is sworn to protect, etc. All this makes for a fascinating villain/anti-hero, and are things Solas lacks. Thus Loghain is better.

As I said you are being naive. Loghain does anything for Ferelden, so does Solas. Solas is a lot more grand and involved with the world, which makes him the better character.
 

And if Solas never started his whole plan to destroy modern Thedas, none of the events in DAI would have happened. He wasn't being helpful, he was cleaning up a mess that he made that was now interfering with his plans. He saw the Inquisitor and Inquisition as merely tools to do so. There is nothing sympathetic in that. 
 
And no, he is not the last hope for the elves of Thedas since he plans on them dying along with every other race. The only elves he is helping are the ancient ones, the ones who don't see the elves that need help as even people. Plus I'd say Andraste was a pretty big help towards the elves. 
 
 
No he doesn't. He massacred hundreds of innocent people with his bomb and sacrifices an entire Circle of mages, the people he says he is trying to help, just to send a message. All he wanted was war. 
What? There are lots of villains who were/are underdogs. 
 
What character development? The character that Solas set up was all a fabrication to conceal his true self, and he is going against what he stood for while as the Dread Wolf. He has gone crazy and lustful for power to achieve his ends, just like the people you are saying are bad villains/anti-heroes. 
 
No, he wasn't. DAO was planned to be a standalone game since Bioware didn't think it would get sequels. That's why they had to retcon all the Epilogue slides. 
 
What evidence?
 
My using lunatic was a case of wordplay. The word originates from people who go crazy at the full moon, he is the Dread Wolf and wolves howl and act slightly different during full moons, so it fits. Though he does fit the definition for it in the sense he is insane.

Rest of your Answer is here:

Loghain was well written, but his character isn't really intertwined in the mythology of the Dragon Age series. The same story of Loghain (basically a crafty politician who betrays a king) could be applied to just about any setting.

On the other hand, Solas represents a conflict intertwined in the settings of DA. Solas represents (in mentality and origin) a higher-order being different from the ordinary people of Thedas, and the conflict between these two "peoples." Solas' is more rich in this sense, and more interesting from a Lore perspective.

Overall, I think Solas is the more interesting anti-hero than Loghain.

As for the DA2 characters....that game wasn't any good in the first place, and all the characters suffered from the game's weak writing.

As for DAO. I doubt Bioware writers wrote a story without and end. The story was written, whether it was going to turn into a game or no was not decided, true.

With just a simple search:

Motive: An antihero is often driven by impure, but sympathetic, motives. Vengeance is a big one. Who among us hasn’t wanted revenge? We might not agree with it, but we sympathize. A villain is driven by impure, but unsympathetic, motives—power for the sake of power, for example.

Means: An antihero is often the underdog. Even when we don’t agree with the antihero, we find ourselves cheering for underdogs. It’s hard to cheer for a villain who has wealth and power and all he needs to defeat the hero/antihero.

Anders was never a villain. Learn your tropes.

[Lulupab]

Sure you can: two distinct personalities living in the same body telling the person to do things is a medical condition known as Dissociative Identity Disorder or Multiple Personality Disorder.

Sure, but Dissociative Identity Disorder or Multiple Personality Disorder does not include a being so pure that it cannot feel anything but the emotion it embodies. Having two personalities in the same body is easy to handle. That however is not.

[Karmel]

 

And if Solas never started his whole plan to destroy modern Thedas, none of the events in DAI would have happened. He wasn't being helpful, he was cleaning up a mess that he made that was now interfering with his plans. He saw the Inquisitor and Inquisition as merely tools to do so. There is nothing sympathetic in that.

 

Solas wake-up in 9:40 DA, Cory began to implement his "plan" in between 9:34-37, because that is when the "Legacy" takes place, so " the events in DAI would have happened" - only without Solas the end there would be a lot sooner and looked like we had the opportunity to admire in Redcliffe.

 

And the best one is... "He wasn't being helpful"... You're kidding, right? Or just trolling?

[Hanako Ikezawa]

 

 

Solas wake-up in 9:40 DA, Cory began to implement his "plan" in between 9:34-37, because that is when the "Legacy" takes place, so " the events in DAI would have happened" - only the end there would be a lot sooner and looked like we had the opportunity to admire in Redcliffe.

 

And the best one is... "He wasn't being helpful"... You're kidding, right? Or just trolling?

 

Corypheus was unable to enact his plan until Solas had his agents lead Corypheus to his orb to unlock it, starting the events of DAI. Without the orb, the Breach wouldn't had formed and Corypheus would still be in obscurity trying to find some other way to enter the Fade. 

 

No, I'm not. While he was helpful to us, that was not his intention anymore than a carpenter is to their tools. The reason he joined was to get his orb back and remove the thorn in his side we call Corypheus. Everything he does was done with selfish intentions. 

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Sure, but Dissociative Identity Disorder or Multiple Personality Disorder does not include a being so pure that it cannot feel anything but the emotion it embodies. Having two personalities in the same body is easy to handle. That however is not.

It certainly can involve that. There are many people who see themselves as agents of justice, so the thought of someone with DID having a personality be solely that is definitely possible. 

[AlleluiaElizabeth]

I'd agree with those saying Solas is the best antagonist in DA. I'd also include ME in that. I liked Saren as an antagonist, too. But Saren didn't fight by my side for an entire game before it being revealed he was secretly the one behind it all. The only one in a similar situation was Anders, but I honestly never liked him much, so Solas wins for me. lol

 

Hanako, I get where you are coming from with this. Betrayal is betrayal. But I think he only started out using us. By the end, he did care and he did genuinely try to help us and our companions: His banter with an Iron Bull who leaves the Qun, where he tries to take Bull's mind off his troubles with mental chess. His talks with Varric about what it means to keep on living in the face of loss. His respect for Cassandra by the end. His "helpful" advice for Sera regarding how to use the Jennies. And, of course, his concern for Cole was genuine. He didn't need to do any of that to make sure we got his orb back. None of that, except perhaps Bull, had to do with making sure we were ready and able to fight Corypheus. And even the Bull thing was unnecessary in that regard cus Bull was more than able to power through his pain on his own. IMO, those were all cases of Solas showing real empathy towards those around him and forming genuine connections and camaraderie. They are instances where he really was being helpful and not seeing us all as simply tools. 

 

And he helped random innocents, as well, when it had no real benefit to his plans. He walks off screen when you first get to the Crossroads in the Hinterlands to go check on some human refugees. Due to the cinematic direction, you have to use flycam to actually see where he goes, but still, he does do it. And he approved when you helped people, though admittedly this could be b/c he wanted the Inquisition to gain positive influence so it could accomplish its mission and get his orb back, so that one can be under suspicion.

 

Solas has the potential to be the worst of people, but he hasn't actually done his plans, yet. Because of his experiences with us, his resolve to go through with them is wavering. Which is why he lets you know what's happening and what he plans. What he plans is monstrous, but as he says if you are friends, he would like to be proven wrong. I think this is ultimately what nudges him into the spot of "best antagonist" for me: he's a friend of mine who honestly can't see another way to go forward without betraying all he's worked for till now. He needs help. And I might be able to save him, or at least help him save himself. And that's really compelling.

[Vorathrad]

 

To be fair, Solas doesn't specifically want the "good ole days" of god-tyrant mage-kings back (or by extension the slavery and "blood magic resource wars"  ). He wants to restore the world's state to pre-veil (aka fade and physical world intermingled, as is their natural state). Cus that's what he broke. And by doing so he believes he'll make the world right again for his people (the ancient elves) to thrive in again, and do so fully, as opposed to the limitations placed on them in the post-veil world, like mortality.

 

IMO, he's basically gonna hit a reset button, die in the attempt along with the Evanuris, and hope for the best with the ancient elves that arise from the ashes.

 

That's how I see it too (though I get the feeling my judgement of such motivations is different than yours) He doesn't want to bring back a better world, he wants to fix what he broke because he can't live with the guilt after seeing the consequences. He wants to bring down the Veil, hoping the Evanuris will have died or will die by then (his words are "I had plans", so it seems that the Evanuris may have been dealt with or not survived), and call it a die. The idealist in him wishes that all go well, but he doesn't lack intelligence so I think he's blinding himself to the fact that it's very likely that all that he hated about the "good ol' days" (the Evanuris rule, slavery, war) eventually arises again. But I don't believe he cares; he just wants to atone for what he did. No matter the cost.

 

It's not my case, but I can see why other people would hate him for that. Specially taking into account that all Inquisitors, even romanced or befriended ones, are part of that cost that doesn't matter.

[Karmel]

Corypheus was unable to enact his plan until Solas had his agents lead Corypheus to his orb to unlock it, starting the events of DAI. Without the orb, the Breach wouldn't had formed and Corypheus would still be in obscurity trying to find some other way to enter the Fade. 

 

No, I'm not. While he was helpful to us, that was not his intention anymore than a carpenter is to their tools. The reason he joined was to get his orb back and remove the thorn in his side we call Corypheus. Everything he does was done with selfish intentions. 

 

Corypheus was brought to the orb, because Venataori were looking for ancient elves artifacts. And Solas saw an opportunity to kill him before he succeeds, elsewhere.

 

Cory lost everything gained through the orb of Fen'Harel in the Temple of Sacred Ashes. If he could not find other means to achieve its goal, we may finish with him after closing the Breach.

 

If Solas was that kind of person as you see him, he could sit with his arms folded, waiting for good chance, or even better - allied with Corypheus, tricked him as easily as he trick us, gained his confidence and in the right moment took over the orb and at last being such a sociopath as you describe!!!

 

And certainly he wouldn't show up in Trespasser, to prevent Qunari coup and the invasion and save the life of even the Inquisitor who despised him, by removing the Anchor.

 

I'm sorry, but your judgments relying primarily on prejudices, Dalish superstitions and lack of sympathy for the character. For this latter you have a perfect right, of course ...

Teagan needs buddies 

[thats1evildude]

Solas is doing what he believes is right, even as he acknowledges that his actions are monstrous. I don't think he's evil.

But setting aside the deaths of millions needed to accomplish his scheme, I'm not convinced it will be better for the elves. He claims that he will be able to deal with the freed Evanuris, but he has no idea what they are capable of after millenia of confinement. He has no idea what impact this will have on the darkspawn, which didn't even exist in his time. There's a lot he doesn't know.

[AlleluiaElizabeth]

 

Corypheus was brought to the orb, because Venataori were looking for ancient elves artifacts. And Solas saw an opportunity to kill him before he succeeds, elsewhere.

 

 

Solas saw an opportunity to use an unwitting, power hungry man to open his orb for him, expecting the act of opening it would kill the man in the process. Its exactly the type of "two birds, one stone, Fen'Harel wins" idea that myths such as Fen'Harel and Andruil's Tree accuse him of having. He was not doing it in some kind of altruistic, "Well, I'll take care of Corypheus with my orb before he causes real harm on his own." thought process. Solas was going to cause real harm all on his own once Cory was dead.

 

 

Solas is doing what he believes is right, even as he acknowledges that his actions are monstrous. I don't think he's evil.

 

But even if it didn't entail the deaths of millions to accomplish his scheme, I'm not convinced it will be better for the elves. He claims that he will be able to deal with the freed Evanuris, but he has no idea what they are capable of after millenia of confinement. He has no idea what impact this will have on the darkspawn, which didn't even exist in his time. There's a lot he doesn't know.

 

Agreed 100%. Its one of the main things about Solas' plans actually. Reminds me of a BBC Sherlock quote about Sherlock's deductions: "Its always something." Solas always misses some detail that proves vitally important. He didn't realize the logical consequences of the veil going up (though I still think, given evidence, he should have done it anyway). He didn't realize Cory could body hop. And now he's assuming the Evanuris will be just as weakened as he was when he woke up. Which is a big assumption and likely to blow up in his face.

[Arakat]

@Aeratus:  He says in his last speech about what he's going to do that he's going to build his new world while this world burns. 

 

That's not metaphor.

 

"I will save the elven people, even if it means this world must die."

 

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"I would have entered the fade using the mark you now bear.  Then I would have torn down the viel.  As this world burned in the raw chaos.  I would have restored the world of my time." - this is what he WOULD have done had the orb worked.

 

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Inquisitor "You'd murder countless people?"

Solas "Wouldn't you to save your own?"

 

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He also says that he would fight the Qun because if everyone has to die... they should at least die "in comfort". 

 

Solas is vile and represents the apex of what the worst people with power are willing to do without regard to whether they should.

 

I can't believe people overlook these lines.

 

I love Solas and all, but everything he says in Trespasser points to him planning a literal genocide.

[Vorathrad]

If Solas was that kind of person as you see him, he could sit with his arms folded, waiting for good chance, or even better - allied with Corypheus, tricked him as easily as he trick us, gained his confidence and in the right moment took over the orb and at last being such a sociopath as you describe!!!

 

No, he couldn't do either of those things. He couldn't sit idle because what he plans isn't something that happens on its own. And he couldn't have allied with Corypheus because Corypheus doesn't have allies, only servants.

[Karmel]

 

Solas saw an opportunity to use an unwitting, power hungry man to open his orb for him, expecting the act of opening it would kill the man in the process. Its exactly the type of "two birds, one stone, Fen'Harel wins" idea that myths such as Fen'Harel and the Andruil's Tree accuse him of having. He was not doing it in some kind of altruistic, "Well, I'll take care of Corypheus with my orb before he causes real harm on his own." thought process. Solas was going to cause real harm all on his own once Cory was dead.

 

 

 

Agreed 100%. Its one of the main things about Solas' plans actually. Reminds me of a BBC Sherlock quote: "Its always something." Solas always misses some detail that proves vitally important. He didn't realize the logical consequences of the veil going up (though I still think, given evidence, he should have done it anyway). He didn't realize Cory could body hop. And now he's assuming the Evanuris will be just as weakened as he was when he woke up. Which is a big assumption and likely to blow up in his face.

 

 

Yes, Fen'Harel wins, one way or the other, but why he so desperatly want to open his orb? Evaluation for such risks, depends on the answer to this question. I believe that the orb he needed to do just that, to finally defeat Evanuris. For this purpose, the orb gathering energy for millennia, and its loss means the Solas had to ally with Mythal and still can not be sure of the result of the second round of reckoning with Evanuris.

 

I wonder how many of the critics of Solas is convinced that he wants to free Evanuris and let them return to old practices?

 

"I had plans." - it refers to me precisely to plans for the orb. Once it is lost, the risk of failure has increased significantly and Fen'Harel embarks on a path of no return.

 

I think some of you will be glad. Well, unless Dread Wolf will not be able to take with him all his companions and another Evanuris stand on the threshold of Skyhold ...

[AlleluiaElizabeth]

 

Yes, Fen'Harel wins, one way or the other, but why he so desperatly want to open his orb? Evaluation for such risks, depends on the answer to this question. I believe that the orb he needed to do just that, to finally defeat Evanuris. For this purpose, the orb gathering energy for millennia, and its loss means the Solas had to ally with Mythal and still can not be sure of the result of the second round of reckoning with Evanuris.

 

Solas tells us in Trespasser why he wanted his orb unlocked: Its power (that of the Anchor) could be used to tear down the Veil. That was what Solas' goal was.  There is no need to speculate in regards to that.

[Vorathrad]

 

"I had plans." - it refers to me precisely to plans for the orb. Once it is lost, the risk of failure has increased significantly and Fen'Harel embarks on a path of no return.

 

 

No, it doesn't refer to the orb, it refers to the Evanuris as it's his reply to the Inquisitor asking whether bringing down the Veil won't release them.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

 

Corypheus was brought to the orb, because Venataori were looking for ancient elves artifacts. And Solas saw an opportunity to kill him before he succeeds, elsewhere.

No, Solas saw Corypheus as a tool to use to unlock the Foci. He didn't care about Corypheus' plans until Corypheus surprised him with his effective immortality since then Solas' plans were the one the were stopped from succeeding. 

 

Cory lost everything gained through the orb of Fen'Harel in the Temple of Sacred Ashes. If he could not find other means to achieve its goal, we may finish with him after closing the Breach.

No he didn't. He just lost the Anchor, which yes was a significant loss since that was the purpose of the ritual but Corypheus still had everything else he gained. 

 

If Solas was that kind of person as you see him, he could sit with his arms folded, waiting for good chance, or even better - allied with Corypheus, tricked him as easily as he trick us, gained his confidence and in the right moment took over the orb and at last being such a sociopath as you describe!!!

No. The former scenario wouldn't work because the longer Solas waits the harder it will be to get his orb back, and the latter doesn't work because as pointed out Corypheus doesn't ally with others, he subjugates them. The closest thing Corypheus had to an ally was The Nightmare, and he planned on having him bound to obedience.  

 

And certainly he wouldn't show up in Trespasser, to prevent Qunari coup and the invasion and save the life of even the Inquisitor who despised him, by removing the Anchor.

Solas had his agents bring us into his spat with the Viddisala and her faction to once again use us to dispose of a thorn in his side, granting him complete control of the entirety of the Eluvian network. As for removing the mark, he does so for two reasons: to gain it for himself and because the Inquisitor's death would cause more chaos which would impede his plans and/or because you have earned his respect. 

 

I'm sorry, but your judgments relying primarily on prejudices, Dalish superstitions and lack of sympathy for the character. For this latter you have a perfect right, of course ...

Teagan needs buddies 

What prejudices? I have nothing against elves or mages, even helping those groups on numerous occasions, so there is no prejudice. 

I don't prescribe to Dalish superstitions. What I do prescribe to is the facts about him we discover. 

Why should I feel sympathy for a man who is going against what he stood for and commit genocide to correct what he perceives as a mistake? 

[Karmel]

No, he couldn't do either of those things. He couldn't sit idle because what he plans isn't something that happens on its own. And he couldn't have allied with Corypheus because Corypheus doesn't have allies, only servants.

 

Well, thing happens on it own, you just have to spotted the opportunity.

Semantics. I think so experienced player, which should be Fen'Harel by Dalish canon, would be able to pretend even a servant to win in his little games not to mention such a great stake.

 

Solas tells us in Trespasser why he wanted his orb unlocked: Its power (that of the Anchor) could be used to tear down the Veil. That was what Solas' goal was.  There is no need to speculate in regards to that.

 

But the orb she still had a lot of power, which certainly Solas could use in the next meeting with Evanuris. I doubt that they greeted warmly.

 

No, it doesn't refer to the orb, it refers to the Evanuris as it's his reply to the Inquisitor asking whether bringing down the Veil won't release them.

 

You right, I mean "it refers to me precisely to plans for the Evanuris, getting the spanking, thanks to the orb, which had so busily accumulated power through the ages" 

[Vorathrad]

Yeah Karmel, keep twisting what is actually shown ingame to fit your view that anyone criticising Solas doesn't understand the game or the character.

 

I will only add this: great characters aren't immune to criticism. Quite the contrary. And pointing out a character's flaws doesn't equal not understanding him. Quite the contrary.

[Almostfaceman]

Sure. But he is unique that his method of change involves utterly destroying the world and all of its non-ancient elf inhabitants. Even Corypheus planned on ruling the world as some kind of God-King instead dissolving it into ashes. 

 

I'm not sure what you mean by "utterly destroying the world". "The world" takes on many connotations. For example, the Imperium's fade from glory can be described by an ancient Tevinter as a "destruction of the world" as they behold the ancient ruins of their highways that once spanned a continent. 

 

I think it will be "non elven" inhabitants. There is no indication whatsoever that "modern" elves can't be "restored" by lowering the Veil. Will many die in the chaos wrought in the radical change? Yes. Clearly, though, Solas intends to "restore" "modern" elves to what they "should" be. There's nobody else left to save, unless you've found a large ancient cache of "ancient" elves somewhere that nobody else knows about. Feel free to share where these elves are. 

 

Solas clearly sees a restoration of modern elves to a state where their connection with magic is greatly enhanced to its natural state. For other races without this connection... their worlds will be turned upside down and destroyed... probably because most of them have treated "modern" elves like poop and will have no means to adequately defend themselves from justice/revenge. 

 

Plus, there'll just be general chaos from a lot of people experiencing some change in nature and not knowing what the fudge is going on... panic ensuing. 

 

The actual world blowing up? Continents and oceans ceasing to exist? I don't think that's what Solas predicts.