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[GoldenGail3]

See I understand how you may feel, but I personally see a huge difference between DA2, Inquisition, and ME3.
I kind of can see the gripe with ME3, but I personally don't mind the ending. My gripe with ME3 was mostly the soulless side quests on the citadel, but they're not as bad as Inquisition. I rather liked the cinematic quality of ME3, and liked it, actually.
DA2 is a masterpiece and people need to back off. The characters, story, politics, everything was way better than in any other game. Real evolution in all the characters. Yes it used a smaller setting but honestly the best plays can take place in one single room. They used actual drama and I loved it. Also my choices were pretty damn pivotal. Literally standing over my lover's shoulder as he's looking away from me, expecting me to shiv him? But I don't? Yes I'd say that's a pivotal decision.
Finally, Inquisition is the worst. I honestly thought it was a debacle, some kind of broken game some executive was getting canned for, all the awards uncanny, purchased with wayward under-the-table industry deals. Literally a failure. TRESPASSER leveled everything up and made me feel like "oh my god this is what it could have been" and gave me a Bioware-lore-is-so-good high, but yeah. Just to salvage the failure meat of the main course rly.

You say DA2 is good, and then another one will come. And it'll be even worse. You'll lose constanstly, and you'll be stuck in the tiniest maps surrounded by idiot companions that mess up your lives that you can't even stop them from messing things up, the dungeons will be the exact same. You'll have a entire family of 5 to feed, and they'll be ungrateful, idiotic fools forcing you to get all the cash. Your romances will always leave you crying in tears as they betray you. You'll be human only. Yeah, I'm basically saying that I do understand DA2, I just really, really, really, don't want the next DA game to be the next DA2.

If people say DA2 is good, it'll result in a loser. I hate playing losers. Or even winners (consant). And I never played ME3, I went on YouTube and watched some videos and then I was alright about not playing it. DAI was okay at best. However, I so very wish that they go back to Origins and make a bunch of Origin stories In Tevinter, and it's not human only. Your actions matter (unlike DA2 where your actions don't matter what so ever). And you get a rich, thick plot that has mysteries and isn't all about winning or losing. Its in equal qunaties, and the Inqusitors hand lost of hand doesn't count, as they're flippen the mother of all Mary Sues (yeah, they don't die. Thats a problem Bioware, please allow me to kill the Inquistor in the next game, one of my Quizs have a death wish).

And also, people hate on DA2 becuase Bioware can't make Anti-Hero Progies without making them losers. It's very simple, that Bioware shouldn't make anti hero Progies, otherwise Hawke come back and hug you with there only Human scent of pure loserness, which i really don't want. And DA2 a masterpiece? It's crap. It messed up bloody Anders, and i loved that guy in Awakening.... He was awesome. Until Justice decided to posses him.... And then he blow up chantry, forcing my Anders romace to kill him.....

[9TailsFox]

MY BRAIN WILL SHOOT OUT MY NOSE, I WILL BE SO MAD

BIOEERR

Or we will have one side quest to help inquisitor stop Solas at the start of game. Like mage vs temlars such big deal.

[Addictress]

You say DA2 is good, and then another one will come. And it'll be even worse. You'll lose constanstly, and you'll be stuck in the tiniest maps surrounded by idiot companions that mess up your lives that you can't even stop them from messing things up, the dungeons will be the exact same. You'll have a entire family of 5 to feed, and they'll be ungrateful, idiotic fools forcing you to get all the cash. Your romances will always leave you crying in tears as they betray you. You'll be human only. Yeah, I'm basically saying that I do understand DA2, I just really, really, really, don't want the next DA game to be the next DA2.

If people say DA2 is good, it'll result in a loser. I hate playing losers. Or even winners (consant). And I never played ME3, I went on YouTube and watched some videos and then I was alright about not playing it. DAI was okay at best. However, I so very wish that they go back to Origins and make a bunch of Origin stories In Tevinter, and it's not human only. Your actions matter (unlike DA2 where your actions don't matter what so ever). And you get a rich, thick plot that has mysteries and isn't all about winning or losing. Its in equal qunaties, and the Inqusitors hand lost of hand doesn't count, as they're flippen the mother of all Mary Sues (yeah, they don't die. Thats a problem Bioware, please allow me to kill the Inquistor in the next game, one of my Quizs have a death wish).

And also, people hate on DA2 becuase Bioware can't make Anti-Hero Progies without making them losers. It's very simple, that Bioware shouldn't make anti hero Progies, otherwise Hawke come back and hug you with there only Human scent of pure loserness, which i really don't want. And DA2 a masterpiece? It's crap. It messed up bloody Anders, and i loved that guy in Awakening.... He was awesome. Until Justice decided to posses him.... And then he blow up chantry, forcing my Anders romace to kill him.....

Your actions have more impact in DA2 than any other game. I don't get your complaint. Not only for each individual companion - the ramifications of which are more serious than the choices you make for companion quests in DAI (and which were practically nonexistent or very off to the side in Origins) but also in at least three MAJOR layers of main plot, from the Arishok occupation, to choosing between Meredith and Orsino, to the viscount issues.

[Addictress]

I mean going with Merrill, you can either slaughter an entire Dalish clan, or not. Captain Aveline and her boyfriend, becoming guard captain or not. Selling Fenris back into slavery?? I mean, going up to Sera in the tavern and just saying "hey uh, I don't think u fit in dis clique" is not nearly as memorable as any of the companion drama we experienced in DA2. Iron Bull's chargers dying was pretty dramatic but it wasn't really shown and we just see Iron Bull's sad face, that's it. Every scene counted in DA2. It was like each character was Solas-Trespasser good, in the main freaking game.

[Qis]

Well, DA:I making choices we make in DA:O doesn't matter...for a long time i thought OGB will be something, end up being nothing....

[Madfox11]

Your actions have more impact in DA2 than any other game. I don't get your complaint. Not only for each individual companion - the ramifications of which are more serious than the choices you make for companion quests in DAI (and which were practically nonexistent or very off to the side in Origins) but also in at least three MAJOR layers of main plot, from the Arishok occupation, to choosing between Meredith and Orsino, to the viscount issues.

 

While I agree that your earlier actions matter in DA2, the choice between Meredith and Orsino really don't. The end is virtually the same. Most mages die as do Meredith and Orsino. What is more, Orsino's actions at the end come as a complete surprise. Unlike with Meredith you have no real clue he is going over the edge until afterwards. The letter 'O' at a letter you find at the serial-killer blood mage does not count. Mind you, I suspect the fact that we have an easier time associating the Templar's actions with corruption of the organization while the mages' actions feel more like desperate individuals driven over the edge by others. Still, this seems to be a bit off-topic

[Cute Nug]

Or we will have one side quest to help inquisitor stop Solas at the start of game. Like mage vs temlars such big deal.

 

To be like the DAI story jump of the mage vs. templar conflict, DA4 will happen after someone has already succeeded or failed in stopping Solas tearing down the veil. In an initial side/main quest the DA4 protag will just ally or fight with what is left of the Solas army after the veil issue had already been resolved before DA4 occurs.

 

Oh and the Solas veil army and inquisition remnants will have to do something really derpy to progress a meh main story cuz it's a Thedas thing. 

[Cute Nug]

While I agree that your earlier actions matter in DA2, the choice between Meredith and Orsino really don't. The end is virtually the same. Most mages die as do Meredith and Orsino. What is more, Orsino's actions at the end come as a complete surprise. Unlike with Meredith you have no real clue he is going over the edge until afterwards. The letter 'O' at a letter you find at the serial-killer blood mage does not count. Mind you, I suspect the fact that we have an easier time associating the Templar's actions with corruption of the organization while the mages' actions feel more like desperate individuals driven over the edge by others. Still, this seems to be a bit off-topic

 

DAI rebel derp mages were once rebel enough to leave centuries of chantry/templar rules and faith. In DAI when the have the choice of an evil Tevinter cult or allying with the Inquisition they do Nothing if you go the derp rebel mage route or they blindly follow a thoroughly evil cult if the Inquisition allies with the templars.

 

In DA2, Orsino's does a 180 degree derp flip from protecting mages to killing the innocent mages he was protecting to become the harvester which reminds me of the rebel mages 180 degree derp flip in DAI from rebelling against the constraints of the circles to suddenly just passively accepting their place as part of a obviously bad group of suspicious Tevinters even if the Inquisition comes to them with a option to leave what is already a clearly bad group of Tevinters. From rebel enough to go against centuries of established rules backed by the prevailing religion to dissonant passives who appear to have given up. That moves the rebel mages in DAI beyond just desperate individuals to the level of just another Orsino 180 degree flip derping of Thedas.  

 

The progressive Derping of Thedas in DAI is a big part of what significantly weakens the DAI game for me.

[AlanC9]

DAI was okay. Sluggish, but okay. And I only watched ME3s horror on YouTube, so I'm good too. DA2 however, sucked.

This raises your odds a bit, especially since it looks like ME:A will be more like DA:I than it's like DA2.

[AlanC9]

You say DA2 is good, and then another one will come. And it'll be even worse. You'll lose constanstly, and you'll be stuck in the tiniest maps surrounded by idiot companions that mess up your lives that you can't even stop them from messing things up, the dungeons will be the exact same. You'll have a entire family of 5 to feed, and they'll be ungrateful, idiotic fools forcing you to get all the cash. Your romances will always leave you crying in tears as they betray you. You'll be human only. Yeah, I'm basically saying that I do understand DA2, I just really, really, really, don't want the next DA game to be the next DA2.
If people say DA2 is good, it'll result in a loser. I hate playing losers. Or even winners (consant). And I never played ME3, I went on YouTube and watched some videos and then I was alright about not playing it. DAI was okay at best. However, I so very wish that they go back to Origins and make a bunch of Origin stories In Tevinter, and it's not human only. Your actions matter (unlike DA2 where your actions don't matter what so ever). And you get a rich, thick plot that has mysteries and isn't all about winning or losing. Its in equal qunaties, and the Inqusitors hand lost of hand doesn't count, as they're flippen the mother of all Mary Sues (yeah, they don't die. Thats a problem Bioware, please allow me to kill the Inquistor in the next game, one of my Quizs have a death wish).
And also, people hate on DA2 becuase Bioware can't make Anti-Hero Progies without making them losers. It's very simple, that Bioware shouldn't make anti hero Progies, otherwise Hawke come back and hug you with there only Human scent of pure loserness, which i really don't want. And DA2 a masterpiece? It's crap. It messed up bloody Anders, and i loved that guy in Awakening.... He was awesome. Until Justice decided to posses him.... And then he blow up chantry, forcing my Anders romace to kill him.....

TL;DR: Bio needs to deliver more of a power fantasy?

[Darkly Tranquil]

TL;DR: Bio needs to deliver more of a power fantasy?

How do they one up the power fantasy of DAI? Short of your character usurping the Maker and becoming a god, there's not much room to have a bigger power fantasy than being declared a messianic figure, controlling an organisation that rivals nations, and saving the world from destruction.

[Iakus]

TL;DR: Bio needs to deliver more of a power fantasy?

"power fantasy" has become such a loaded term.  What does it even mean anymore?

[AlanC9]

For starters, alway getting what your character really wants, on his own terms. There are some other elements, like everyone thinking your character is awesome, and actually being awesome in combat, but those were true in DA2.

[Iakus]

For starters, alway getting what your character really wants, on his own terms. There are some other elements, like everyone thinking your character is awesome, and actually being awesome in combat, but those were true in DA2.

 

Always?  I don't recall the Inquisitor "always" getting what they want.  Mine didn't.  

 

And there have been some saying that any game ending happily for the protagonist (or, in the case of ME3, clearly surviving) is a "power fantasy"

 

DA2 Hawke was pretty much a failure, no matter how much he/she aspired to do more.  Every success was tainted with worse failure:  make a fortune in the Deep Roads, unleash red lyrium on Kirkwall (oh, and lose sibling)  Investigate serial killer, mother is murdered and used in horrific blood magic ritual.  Become part owner of a quarry, quarry gets eaten by dragon.  Etc, etc.

 

Certainly more could be done to give the protagonist the possibility of a better fate without labeling it a "power fantasy"

[Dutch's Ghost]

See I understand how you may feel, but I personally see a huge difference between DA2, Inquisition, and ME3.

I kind of can see the gripe with ME3, but I personally don't mind the ending. My gripe with ME3 was mostly the soulless side quests on the citadel, but they're not as bad as Inquisition. I rather liked the cinematic quality of ME3, and liked it, actually.

DA2 is a masterpiece and people need to back off. The characters, story, politics, everything was way better than in any other game. Real evolution in all the characters. Yes it used a smaller setting but honestly the best plays can take place in one single room. They used actual drama and I loved it. Also my choices were pretty damn pivotal. Literally standing over my lover's shoulder as he's looking away from me, expecting me to shiv him? But I don't? Yes I'd say that's a pivotal decision.

Finally, Inquisition is the worst. I honestly thought it was a debacle, some kind of broken game some executive was getting canned for, all the awards uncanny, purchased with wayward under-the-table industry deals. Literally a failure. TRESPASSER leveled everything up and made me feel like "oh my god this is what it could have been" and gave me a Bioware-lore-is-so-good high, but yeah. Just to salvage the failure meat of the main course rly.

It's funny how the DLC story content of DAI is vastly superior to the base game in almost every way. I enjoyed them all except for the fetch me collectible crap within them to pad out the DLCs, my only problem I had is the ridiculous pricing method.

[Dutch's Ghost]

There are mixed feelings about every aspect of the game, but I think the general consensus is that DA:I was a giant leap in the right direction after DA2. Not as good as Origins, but still really good and a success. It should give EA cause to green-light DA4.

My opinion is that the main game was really good, but a little less than Origins. Jaws of Hakkon was an excellent DLC. Descent was... decent. Trespasser outright sucks on all levels.

I personally feel the main game plot was a travesty, yes there were some high points but the overall narrative experience from the story was lacking in comparison to DAO and DA2. I also feel that the DLCs for DAI were far better in story content than DAI itself, to bad they are horrible overpriced.

[Kerg]

For me, here's how it stacked up to other Bioware games I've played.

 

Dragon Age: Origins, Mass Effect 1-3... 9/10

Dragon Age 2... 7/10

Dragon Age Inquisition... 5/10

 

The graphics were absolutely gorgeous.  I really liked the crafting system, and got totally involved in it.

 

But I don't know, the characters were just not as memorable and cool as in prior games.  The story was mediocre.  And for me, an obsessive compulsive completionist, the world was just too big and the sidequests too tedious.  3 months and 300+ hours later, I finished my first and only playthrough, and by then I was just beaten down and ready to get it over with.  I was also vastly overexperienced and overgeared by the end.  Soloing high dragons, etc.... I basically broke the game and destroyed any challenge it might have had by doing too many sidequests and min/maxing the crafting system.

 

I know a lot of that is my own fault.  I've had similar problems with other massive "open world" games like Skyrim.  I just can't help it.  I have to turn over every rock, or I don't feel like I've beaten the game.  Scared I'm going to miss something, I guess.  For me, more linear/confined and less "open world" is a good thing.

[Kakyuu]

I loved about 5% of the game, liked about 20% percent and was indifferent/disliked the rest

       Love: The characters. How each of your companions and advisers interacted and related to your character and each other was really well down and since I play these games for the characters that alone was enough to make me happy with my purchase. I especially loved that relationships developed differently depending who you kept in your party and the choices you make.

   Like: The plot. Sadly story missions made up less then 20% of the game or I would have liked it more. Yes the plot was trite and predictable, and had a rehashed enemy from a DLC, but damned if I didn't enjoy the ride. I wish there had been more of it. More cut scenes showing what Cory is up to, more involvement of Cal/Samson, more large scale battles like Admanent(sp,) just more anything related to the main plot that wasn't a codex.

    Indifferent: SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO  much filler. This game was like a bag of potato chips, 80% air 20% substance. And no codex entries do not count as story content. It's a video game not a book. Don't get me wrong, I like to read, but if I felt like reading I would go to the library for free not spend 70 bucks on a video game.

                    Graphics were okay for last gen, sh** for current gen. My husband said it best when he asked why the ugly elf had straw on her head.

                     Inqy was about as compelling as a bowl of wheat paste. For all the hate DA2 got, at least you had a protagonist with a personality you picked, or you know, any sort of personality. The HoF was a mute and I still got more of a feeling of "emotion" from her the the fully voiced Inqy

                     Multiplayer, didn't want it, didn't need it, never played it, resent that patches and files needed for it have to be on my system though I don't have PSPlus, and that it pimps itself on the main screen. Sorry EA not buying that ******  but I am glad you didn't make me do it in order to get the fullest out of the main game because if they had I wouldn't have bought the game at all.

   Hate Yet again the plot wasn't finished in the main game and we had to pay extra to get the real ending. This is a HUGE pet peeve of mine, so much so that it has completly changed how I buy games in recent years. I have stopped buying a lot of games I would like to play and am just waiting for a year or so to get the complete editions. Sadly the DA franchise is now on the list of games I don't buy on release. 

           Open world doesn't belong in anything that is supposed to be story driven just lead to lots of running around in silence to nothing.

 

    I give the base game a 6/10, slightly above average game with a lot of filler and very buggy over all, but I love the setting so I enjoyed it. I would give the Game of the Year edition a 8/10 purely because you are getting the entire story and lot of the bugs have been worked out for the price of the incomplete game a year ago.

[AlanC9]

Always?  I don't recall the Inquisitor "always" getting what they want.  Mine didn't.  

We were talking about DA2, not DAI.
 
Is Hawke a failure, or a survivor?

[KaiserShep]

How do they one up the power fantasy of DAI? Short of your character usurping the Maker and becoming a god, there's not much room to have a bigger power fantasy than being declared a messianic figure, controlling an organisation that rivals nations, and saving the world from destruction.

 

Well, there's technically one way to one-up DA:I in this respect: letting the protagonist keep their power indefinitely. 

[DragonRageGT]

I think it's a better game than Dragon Age 2. But still... it is miles away from Origins.

 

Also, despite thinking of it as a better game than DA2, I don't like it much. It's the only DA game I have just played once, and didn't buy the DLCs (and I don't plan to). It's just not the game I was expecting. The openwordly feel and the way mages were handled wasn't my cup of tea. 

 

I agree about DA:I being better than DA2 but still not close to the same experience that Origins gave me. I've been a Bioware fan since 1998 when I first played BG, then the following games up to NWN (multiplayer mostly, rp'ing an elvish archer whom made me learn some Sindarin for the role, in a LotR persistent world... such good times)

 

I liked DA2, except for the copy/paste things and a few other flaws (while copy/paste worked well in ME1, oddly). I've spent some 2,000 hours with Origins, 20 heroes at an average 100 hours each. There were much to be discovered and one/two playthroughs were not nearly enough.

I got bored when I started playing DA:I when it was released and quit it, Went back to ME3 for another run and multiplayer while switching to Diablo 3 once in a while. Then The Witcher 3 came out and it is definitely the best game ever made. I feel sorry for some bio fans who cannot appreciate great work from other developers. (except Bethesda which I played MW, Oblivion and Skyrim only because I was given those. No desire to play FO series at all.)

 

CDPR has set a new standard for games. With 1,550 hours on it I still haven't found everything they showcased in the world. But I'm saving it for the next expansion, due early next year. Most of my friends of old in BSN are also fans of The Witcher series and we enjoyed and talked about TW games a lot. It is an extraordinary game series based on a very nice book series.

 

Now I'm giving DA:Inquisition another try and I am enjoying it. It still has some of the stuff that made me quit the first time, like some boring fetching quests and collectibles that are no more than filler for lack of better content, IMHO. But I'm enjoying it. It does have BW styles for companions and party adventure, although it will not have me making videos like my Best Party (banter) series I made for DA:Origins and has reached millions views, still growing even in our days.

 

To show some support to Bioware, as an old fan that I've always been, I just bought all the DLC's (minus the multiplayer ones which I have no interest for) and I'm d/l'ing and installing them right now. (They were actually pretty cheap too so I couldn't resist, if they make DAI a bit better).

 

All in all, I don't expect to replay DAI nearly as much as I've done with Origins, ME2, ME3, TW, TW1 and specially, TW3. But it is a good game, worthy playing even with some boring parts. But as an OCD gamer I MUST complete all those damn requisition, collections, herbs gathering, etc. =)
 

[Addictress]

Okay so apparently people didn't like DA2 because they think Hawke is a failure?

See that's precisely why I like DA2. The story is more complex and it's not a frilly fairy tale so black and white, everything predictable and falling on a silver platter. There is....a more relatable, interesting...story. Seriously?

Wow. I can't believe this sentiment. It is ridiculous.

[GoldenGail3]

TL;DR: Bio needs to deliver more of a power fantasy?

No, that makes them special snowflakes you know.

[GoldenGail3]

Okay so apparently people didn't like DA2 because they think Hawke is a failure?
See that's precisely why I like DA2. The story is more complex and it's not a frilly fairy tale so black and white, everything predictable and falling on a silver platter. There is....a more relatable, interesting...story. Seriously?
Wow. I can't believe this sentiment. It is ridiculous.

That's becuase Hawke is a failure. Hawke's whole story always blows up in there faces, like its not very funny. Like going into the Deep Rodes for example. You come in, get gold and get rich and stuff, but that's because of Bartand stealing red Lyrum and locking you into a chamber. That backfires on Merdith, who goes insane cause of the stuff, just like Bartand. Then there's letting Coryphues out of his chamber in a DLC, he comes back as the main Villian in DAI.

Nothing Hawke does matters anyhow. I don't want to be a god. I really don't, I was saying I wanted to be a nobody that worked there butts off (onscreen, not skipping any of there progress to richness. Like what Varric did, he skipped all the boring bits. No, I want to see it all!) to get a position of power. And they literally start out with nothing. No family, no house, just you and yourself doing everything to get money to least afford a tent for yourself. A Surival DA game would be amazing to be honest, and you have plenty of Origns to choose from and the plot is interesting and intense, not filled with rubbish filler quests or powers you have to get, certainly you have to get money to afford shelter, but that's mandoraty.

[Gileadan]

Okay so apparently people didn't like DA2 because they think Hawke is a failure?

See that's precisely why I like DA2. The story is more complex and it's not a frilly fairy tale so black and white, everything predictable and falling on a silver platter. There is....a more relatable, interesting...story. Seriously?

Wow. I can't believe this sentiment. It is ridiculous.

Well, different people like different kinds of stories and characters.

 

I don't need to feel that whatever my character does shakes up the world or anything. I'm totally fine with starting as Private A-hole and ending the game as Sergeant A-hole, so to say.

 

I didn't like DA2 because the story and most of the characters did nothing for me. For me personally, the game fell flat during the prologue and never quite recovered from that. I couldn't stand Anders, Fenris and Merrill who all seemed to be in dire need of therapy. I didn't care about the qunari and never understood why they somehow ended up being my problem. The plot only continued because the game forced me to do certain quests that neither me as a player nor Hawke as my (sort of...) character had any motivation to do (Shepherding Wolves, ugh).

 

I wouldn't say Hawke was a failure or anything. For me, Hawke was just kinda there.