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[Qun00]

I'm just curious if s/he is searching for a cure as a form of prevention before it happens or if s/he is looking because time is running out.

If the answer is yes, that also begs the question of why nothing has been said about Alistair. One thing we know for sure is that it should happen to him first since he's been a Grey Warden for longer.

[sniper_arrow]

If HoF romanced Morrigan in your world state and lived, she said that she was the one who found the clue on the cure. It didn't specify in any matter in the game that the HoF is already hearing the actual Calling.

[Yaroub]

The thing is, from the moment you undertake the joining you're basically running out of time, naturally the situation diverse according to the subject age when they drink from the chalice, if they're old enough it's no big deal but in HOF and Alistair case it is.

 

If we interrupt the timeline I'd say both HOF and Alistair have about 15 years, so they're in a comfort zone.

[sniper_arrow]

I thought the 30 year thing was already disputed by the writers?

[TheKomandorShepard]

They still have something about 2 centuries if they spared avernus ,besides starting to search for cure when it is too late is not very bright and would be pointless.

 

Also that Alistair took joining before doesn't mean he will start hear song sooner or around same time. 30 years is maximum for grey warden but it varies for every warden and as DG said for one it may be 5 years for another 20 years.

[Riverdaleswhiteflash]

They still have something about 2 centuries if they spared avernus ,besides starting to search for cure when it is too late is not very bright and would be pointless.

 

Also that Alistair took joining before doesn't mean he will start hear song sooner or around same time. 30 years is maximum for grey warden but it varies for every warden and as DG said for one it may be 5 years for another 20 years.

If they were just doing whatever Avernus was doing, the HoF wouldn't have to look very hard. He'd have the solution right in his backyard.

 

But, as you say, the HoF could have up to ten years left. Or twenty, if they want to sell the special-snowflake-former-PC thing really hard.

[Andromelek]

If the Architect is seemingly what cured Fiona's taint, I don't see why the HoF wouldn't request any aid of him in case he did spare him.

[TheKomandorShepard]

If they were just doing whatever Avernus was doing, the HoF wouldn't have to look very hard. He'd have the solution right in his backyard.

 

But, as you say, the HoF could have up to ten years left. Or twenty, if they want to sell the special-snowflake-former-PC thing really hard.

Well technically speaking Avernus solution is only delaying the calling even if it grants you 200+ years lifespan , so avernus research would be still worth of pursuit at least if you would like to become immortal.

 

[nightscrawl]

One thing we know for sure is that it should happen to him first since he's been a Grey Warden for longer.

He's only been a Warden for about a year when the game starts, perhaps even a bit less, so it's not this huge disparity between him and the HoF. I think when it comes to differences that small, who hears it first will just depend on the individual Warden.

[TK514]

I wish.  I would like nothing more than DA 4 to state "The HoF heard the calling, went into the Deep Roads, and died.  The dwarves recovered the body, and a state funeral was held in Redcliffe.  Now you can all stop asking when they are coming back."

[Vegeta 77]

i hope so just to shut his fanboys up.

[Krypplingz]

I'm just curious if s/he is searching for a cure as a form of prevention before it happens or if s/he is looking because time is running out.

If the answer is yes, that also begs the question of why nothing has been said about Alistair. One thing we know for sure is that it should happen to him first since he's been a Grey Warden for longer.

The warden might be hearing it, or being close to it and seeking a cure before the sickness starts for real. 

In regards to Alistair. If he's the cameo Warden then he's busy listening to Cory's fake Calling. Of course he might be hearing the proper Calling and just chalking it up being a case of the fake Calling, or Cory's Calling might override the real one. 

If Alistair is a king, then he really doesn't have a reason to tell the Inquisition about it, both since it's really none of our business and because you don't want to tell the unaligned military organization about your Kings potential weakness. He might still be hearing it. 

[GoldenGail3]

Most likely. 

[S.W.]

I think how long you last before you hear your calling is generally a personal thing? The upper limit is around 30 years, but it can be any less than that, I think. And so whilst Alistair joined the Wardens six months before the HoF, it's perfectly plausible that the HoF could simply be unlucky and get it before Alistair.

As mentioned above, we don't exactly have access to that knowledge anyway. Alistair is either busy hearing the fake calling, or they're briefly seen as King, where there's no motivation for him to reveal his status to you - there's no political advantage to be gained there, and Alistair hardly knows you well enough to trust you.

[Nixou]

The HoF left for their Super-Duper Quest of Offscreen Stuff before Cassandra interrogated Varric in 9:40. which means that s/he decided to go look for a cure less than 10 years after undergoing the Joining. If memory serves, it takes 15 to 30 years before Wardens start hearing the calling, so even assuming that the HoF was among the least resilient (something I doubt given their general sueness), s/he was still at half a decade away from hearing it.

[almasy87]

If Alistair is a king, then he really doesn't have a reason to tell the Inquisition about it, both since it's really none of our business and because you don't want to tell the unaligned military organization about your Kings potential weakness. He might still be hearing it. 

Which might explain why he's become so grumpy Teagan has a bad influence on him

Jokes aside... I still think there is time for them.. it's been only about 13 years since the HoF's Joining and a little longer for Alistair.
I'm pretty sure though that at some point Bioware is going to eliminate them both just saying they heard the Calling so they can reduce the amount of world states they need to take account for ;P

[Riverdaleswhiteflash]

Of course he might be hearing the proper Calling and just chalking it up being a case of the fake Calling, or Cory's Calling might override the real one. 

If Alistair is a king, then he really doesn't have a reason to tell the Inquisition about it, both since it's really none of our business and because you don't want to tell the unaligned military organization about your Kings potential weakness. He might still be hearing it. 

I'd been under the impression that the Fake Calling was an illusion, rather than created by Nightmare manipulating the Taint. (Partially because I don't know that Nightmare would have the power to do that: I thought the Taint was supposed to be something demons didn't really get.) If that's the case, there's no reason it should override the real Calling.

 

If it is just an illusion, rather than actually manipulating the Taint, then I don't see why Alistair would suffer from it; Corypheus might not even know that he is Warden, and might not see any real reason to extend the Fake Calling to him even if he does know. For that matter unless the Fake Calling spell automatically targets every Warden in the entirety of South Thedas (which is plausible) I don't see why it would necessarily extend to him even if it did directly target the Taint in a target's blood.

[Lady Artifice]

I'd been under the impression that the Fake Calling was an illusion, rather than created by Nightmare manipulating the Taint. (Partially because I don't know that Nightmare would have the power to do that: I thought the Taint was supposed to be something demons didn't really get.) If that's the case, there's no reason it should override the real Calling.

 

If it is just an illusion, rather than actually manipulating the Taint, then I don't see why Alistair would suffer from it; Corypheus might not even know that he is Warden, and might not see any real reason to extend the Fake Calling to him even if he does know. For that matter unless the Fake Calling spell automatically targets every Warden in the entirety of South Thedas (which is plausible) I don't see why it would necessarily extend to him even if it did directly target the Taint in a target's blood.

 

That was my take away as well, that Cory's fake calling was infecting the Warden's minds rather than their biological bodies. 

[Apo]

One of the post Trespasser slide about Leliana romancing the HoF tells that they're seen and spending time together, so if the HoF can spare the time from his quest to return to Leliana and spend time with, this mean 2 things imo :

 

1- He/she found the cure thus his/her quest is finished.

2- The quest was a failure and he/she returns to his/her beloved to spend the rest of his/her life with Leliana.

 

This is only seen with a romanced Leliana, it doesn't mention one romancing neither Morrigan, Alistair or Zevran.

 

Here's the link mentionning Leliana and HoF romance :

https://www.youtube....h?v=JH0oDlpVT7w

[sjsharp2011]

He's only been a Warden for about a year when the game starts, perhaps even a bit less, so it's not this huge disparity between him and the HoF. I think when it comes to differences that small, who hears it first will just depend on the individual Warden.

Exactly Alistair has only been a warden qabout a year around the toime Origins takes place. Even Rior5dan acknowledges when they find him in Howe's duingeon that both Alistair and the HOF are still new recruits at hte time of the Blight. Both Riordan and Duncan were clearly older men so ewre clearly close to their calling at he time of the Blight. I think it's a matter of fact that Alistair recognises he shouldn't be hearing the calling yet but he is and the fact that everyone else was hearing it too. That was bound to send some alarmk bells through him. He just disagreed with what Clarel had in mind for fixing the problem. But I'd imagine she was hearing it herself and was panicking too. So she wasn't able to think clearly either. Corypheus merely used Erimond to manipulate the situation as he couldn't very well do it himself because the moment he showed up the Wardens would immediately recognize him as a darkspawn that needed slaying.

[Krypplingz]

I'd been under the impression that the Fake Calling was an illusion, rather than created by Nightmare manipulating the Taint. (Partially because I don't know that Nightmare would have the power to do that: I thought the Taint was supposed to be something demons didn't really get.) If that's the case, there's no reason it should override the real Calling.

 

If it is just an illusion, rather than actually manipulating the Taint, then I don't see why Alistair would suffer from it; Corypheus might not even know that he is Warden, and might not see any real reason to extend the Fake Calling to him even if he does know. For that matter unless the Fake Calling spell automatically targets every Warden in the entirety of South Thedas (which is plausible) I don't see why it would necessarily extend to him even if it did directly target the Taint in a target's blood.

Cameo Warden Alistair is definitely hearing a Calling, he does tell you that in the cave. The question is if it's the real Calling (since he is getting older) or he's just hearing the fake one that is being broadcast. By overriding I meant that if Alistair was hearing the real calling, then the fake one might override it, so he felt the symptoms but wouldn't end up running to the Deep Roads as soon as possible. Because of magic and stuff.

The dialog is under the spoiler.

Spoiler

-Are you affected?
Inquisitor: You said that all the wardens are hearing the Calling. Does that include you?
Alistair: Unfortunately, yes. When I'm talking or fighting, I can almost ignore it.
But whenever things are quiet, I can hear it. It's like a song you can't get out of your head.
Damned annoying frankly.

 

But what King Ali is listening to is another matter.The fake Calling might be ringing in his ears and it might not. He might also be hearing the real stuff, but either way, he'd never tell us. So if the post was just about him, then yeah, he might not be hearing anything. It was just a loose idea

 

Some musing on the fake Calling under the spoilers, but it's mostly rambling. 

Spoiler

As for how the fake Calling works, most Wardens probably heard one story or another on how the real one works in general, but it probably affects each warden differently. I all the cameo wardens describe what they hear differently.

 

Stroud:

Sadly, yes. It lurks like a wolf in the shadows around a campfire.

The creature that makes this music has never know the love of the maker but...at times, I almost understand it.

We must uncover what Corypheus has done and end it. This cannot stand. 

 

Loghain:

Yes. It's like an itch at the back of my mind.

At times, it's barely there at all. But then I find myself starting to hum it under my breath. 

It is vile. I can understand why so many wardens have gone mad from fear of it. 

 

But the general idea is some sort of song or a whisper. So if everyone started hearing quiet whispers in their ears at night. Just vague singing or muttering. Then heard that all the wardens are hearing the same, they might get spooked. Since fear munches on fear it would get stronger and be able to mess with them some more. It might even not be connected to the taint at all. 

But I don't know, I'm not good in the blight lore, so take this with a grain of salt.

 

Sorry, my head is a bit frazzled, so I might be misreading your post. Just wanted to say that Cameo Warden Ali is hearing some sort of Calling but King Ali is probably not affected (at least with the fake calling). Since the first line of the quotes were about Cameo Warden Ali, but the rest was if he was King.

[Riverdaleswhiteflash]

Sorry, I'd been a bit unclear. I had meant King Alistair, since the bad guys obviously know that Warden Alistair is a Warden.

[Knight of Dane]

Until stated directly; no.

[Nixou]

I wish.  I would like nothing more than DA 4 to state "The HoF heard the calling, went into the Deep Roads, and died.  The dwarves recovered the body, and a state funeral was held in Redcliffe.  Now you can all stop asking when they are coming back."

 

Had the writers been willing to kill the HoF offscreen, they wouldn't have sent them on a offscreen quest.

[TK514]

Had the writers been willing to kill the HoF offscreen, they wouldn't have sent them on a offscreen quest.

 

Writers and story direction change over time.