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[larsdt]

... The Talon merc

 

In the process of "branching out" and finding a play style I like for each character, this guy has been on hold for a long time. After digging through the forum entries, it seems he's regarded as one of the worst characters overall:

 

- Bow dmg is inferior

- Too squishy for a melee build

- Bugged when using bow

- Powers affected by lag

- Reset of key bindings

 

Whenever I've encountered this character in a game it has been a mine spamming weapons platform. If this is the only option, I'm not really motivated to use him.

 

The majority of posts are a couple of years old - any fresh thoughts?

[justinman114]

I go full melee build on him with no explosive arrow. It's totally viable on gold. Cain mines are used as intended and not spammed unless emergency. He is squishy but human dodge so....dodge a lot. Oh and unfortunately, hosting is a must.

[Bud Halen]

 

... The Talon merc

 

In the process of "branching out" and finding a play style I like for each character, this guy has been on hold for a long time. After digging through the forum entries, it seems he's regarded as one of the worst characters overall:

 

- Bow dmg is inferior

- Too squishy for a melee build

- Bugged when using bow

- Powers affected by lag

- Reset of key bindings

 

Whenever I've encountered this character in a game it has been a mine spamming weapons platform. If this is the only option, I'm not really motivated to use him.

 

The majority of posts are a couple of years old - any fresh thoughts?

 

 

I'm no expert...at all.  And this isn't a particularly 'fresh' thought...

 

But he's a good option for charged weapons because his bow provides that handy auto-aim during the firing sequence.  Something like the Graal or Arc pistol are nice, since both accept melee attachments.  Just charge up, click fire on the bow, and release the weapon shot simultaneously when you're on target.

[ROBOTICSUPERMAN]

Melee problems have been fixed since release.

http://kalence.drupa...34Z56324!8.8E85
^ Mine.

Adas removes shields quickly, melee will kill most gold mooks in one hit with the melee bonus active. Ap arrows will kill a brute in 2 shots. Kane mines are powerful, place them to guard your flanks. or fire them all at an enemies feet, when you fire your 4th, the 1st mine will explode and when you fire a 5th, the 2nd will explode, fire of the 6th and the 3rd will explode etc etc.
But don't get close to enemies!

[Alfonsedode]

My favourite build is very fun and popular, omibow + graal
 

search the Robin hood merc build thread from Argent

[Alfonsedode]

http://forum.bioware...in hood build

[Miniditka77]

I use the GPS with Disruptor Ammo on him, but the strategy is basically the same as described above by others. 

[PHOEN1XK1NG]

Hip fired Kishock with auto-tracking.  Let the fun begin...

[Bud Halen]

I use the GPS with Disruptor Ammo on him, but the strategy is basically the same as described above by others. 

 

I actually wondered if the auto-aim targeted the reticule quickly enough to confine that GPS spread.  But if you're using it, then it must not be an issue.

[Miniditka77]

I actually wondered if the auto-aim targeted the reticule quickly enough to confine that GPS spread.  But if you're using it, then it must not be an issue.

 

Oh, sorry - I should have clarified that I don't actually do the melee-fire combo with the GPS.  It might work, I have no idea.  I guess saying "same strategy" was a little confusing.  I meant I skip Concussive Arrows, use Cain Mines sparingly, and rely on AP arrows to take down armor.

 

I usually just use a GPS blast to stagger and then follow up with an arrow for a kill (they won't dodge it because they are staggered).  You don't even have to use a charged shot.  It makes the arrow build usable off host at pretty much any range.  Yeah, you will still get the disappearing arrows from time to time, but it still works well enough for Gold.

[larsdt]

Haven't used a charged weapon on him yet - will try the suggestions posted. In terms of survivability I think I'm doing OK except L2avoidstagger. Damncheatingtoasters 

[Brannigans 1ove]

http://kalence.drupa...24O56314!D.AD85

 

This is the build that I use for him.  You could swap cyclonics for power amp, but I struggle keeping him upright without it.

[Cryos_Feron]

Kane mines are powerful, place them to guard your flanks. or fire them all at an enemies feet, when you fire your 4th, the 1st mine will explode and when you fire a 5th, the 2nd will explode, fire of the 6th and the 3rd will explode etc etc.
But don't get close to enemies!

... yea, and this is exactly what people don't want to exploit. neither the OP if I understood him correctly.

don't want the Talon to be merely a spawn killer with the help of a broken game mechanic

[JRandall0308]

The buffed up AP arrows can 2- or 3-shot Brutes, which never fails to entertain me.

 

Also don't underestimate this guy's light melee for when your run into one of those packs of Cannibals or Collectors... nice spread, staggers 'em all... weaker than Ballistic Blades but still enough stagger to buy you time to headshot 'em or run for cover.

[Angry_Elcor]

But if I use the omnibow, won't that interrupt my grenade-stealing-Cain-Mine-Explosiongasm-Score-Whoring?

[Salarian Master Race]

TechnoElcor likes to tell me what kit to play, of course she eventually got around to the Talon Merc.

 

It was the absolute worst experience of my entire ME3MP career.  All of my keys were wrong, even the movement keys since I don't use WASD, and half of my attacks and abilities could not even be activated.  Adding injury to insult, I came in 2nd place.  I was so ashamed and will never take this kit ever again.

[Catastrophy]

The omni-bow can be pretty good, that's for sure, but it's true: The quirks and bugs made this the probably least played class in my arsenal. I have a setup that doesn't mess up the buttons, but where is the fun in that when (mostly) every other class lets me explore the abilities without ruining the gameplay.

[Olivia Wilde]

Hosting is much better than clienting, even on 360

 

Hard to keep track of Cain Mines off host

 

because I don't host often and I'm a scrub I play him sparingly

[PatrickBateman]

I did one gold game with that kit a long time ago and haven't touched it since and never will again.

[ROBOTICSUPERMAN]

... yea, and this is exactly what people don't want to exploit. neither the OP if I understood him correctly.

don't want the Talon to be merely a spawn killer with the help of a broken game mechanic

yea I agree. It's boring to do that. But was including it for info reasons.

Plus it's not really an effective use of grenades, because although your first boss will die easily, the next 3 will not because you have no grenades. :/

[Cryos_Feron]

yea I agree. It's boring to do that. But was including it for info reasons.

Plus it's not really an effective use of grenades, because although your first boss will die easily, the next 3 will not because you have no grenades. :/

you definitely have enough grenades to pulverize 2 spawns in a row and then have some grenades left. then hit an ammo box and get 1 replenished - next spawn or boss group is dead. without the help of consumables.
but I understood that you are not advocating for that way to play him.

[Alfonsedode]

just failed a glacier hazzrd gold cerb game with him. not so easy to well spam those mines.

[PresidentVorchaMasterBaits]

GRRRAAAAAAGH! DISGUSTING KIT! CAIN MINES ONLY GOOD THING AND EVEN THOSE ARE EASY-MODE FOR PUGS!!! OMNI-BOW STUPID! NOT REAL TALON MERC ANYWAY!! ZAEED COPYCAT WITH MASK!! YOU'RE NOT ZAEED!!!! WE KNOW YOUR TRICKS! NOW GO PICK SOMEONE ELSE'S BUTT AND LEAVE US ALONE!!!

[filippopotame]

Well, he remains the biggest DPS in the game by far (sure not on the long run).

 

Screw him anyway, I'm not changing my keys again

[Dalakaar]

My thoughts on the merc...