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[Hydwn]

both of them are a lot more mishmashy than that, and although there are homages and references neither is exactly an Expy

and it's quite clear that they didn't do much research about stuff like, y'know, war, or food, or trade, or basic life patterns of non-settled societies; some of this stuff got better in Jaws of Hakkon but not all

 

True enough.  What really gets me are the spices.  World of Thedas 2 establishes that Thedas had a Silk Road that carried spices into Thedas over something called the Volca Sea.  Trade was interrupted for centuries but has begun again.

 

Thing is, Dragon Age lore mentions every spice that came over the real-world Silk Road, so what spices were they missing?  I guess it could fantasy-world botany like Crystal Grace and so on - it must be because they seem to have cinnamon and pepper and ginger and the other usual suspects already in Thedas.

[Hydwn]

That is an interesting topic, I agree. However, didn't the Anglo-Saxons return to some degree some four centuries later?

 

Again, no notes on me, and the convenient excuse "I don't have an academic title" is being convenient. I should maybe know some of it.

 

I'm not quite sure what you mean.  The original Anglo-Saxons remained as a conquered people there, and gradually the Norman conquerors assimilated to some degree - only a little more than a hundred years after the Conquest, they were using English in speeches, and before the Middle Ages were done, Henry IV became the first king since Harold to have English for a mother tongue.  Eventually, they were putting Germans on the throne.

 

But the original Anglo-Saxon cultures and institutions of Harold's day - the Witengamot included - were gone forever.

[SardaukarElite]

and it's quite clear that they didn't do much research about stuff like, y'know, war, or food, or trade, or basic life patterns of non-settled societies; some of this stuff got better in Jaws of Hakkon but not all

 

I feel like basically anything involving distance or space is off. Travel times seem to be made up on the spot, or deliberately avoided. 

 

 

Nobody in that bunch ever was a bad seed.

 

Nobody? 

[Serza]

 

 

 

Nobody? 

 

Do you remember someone?

[Aimi]

Your opinion of my historical blunder? Am I correct? I fully respect your opinion, on top of remembering you from the Sera thread. Nobody in that bunch ever was a bad seed.

I appreciate that! But I don't really know what 'blunder' you're talking about. You mean not remembering what Magna Carta was? Meh. Most history students in US universities have no idea what the Golden Bull of 1356 was, and have never even heard of the Blood Court in Prague. 
 

True enough.  What really gets me are the spices.  World of Thedas 2 establishes that Thedas had a Silk Road that carried spices into Thedas over something called the Volca Sea.  Trade was interrupted for centuries but has begun again.
 
Thing is, Dragon Age lore mentions every spice that came over the real-world Silk Road, so what spices were they missing?  I guess it could fantasy-world botany like Crystal Grace and so on - it must be because they seem to have cinnamon and pepper and ginger and the other usual suspects already in Thedas.

 
To be fair, it really is tough to think of everything.
 

I feel like basically anything involving distance or space is off. Travel times seem to be made up on the spot, or deliberately avoided.

Wise of them. Avoiding specific numbers is a good way to prevent people from calling you out on them later, and including them rarely adds anything to the story that a typical gamer would expect.

[Al Foley]

Probably becaue Dragon Age lore is more interesting yet also oddly enough more relevant to real life then your finals.

[Kouzai]

Probably becaue Dragon Age lore is more interesting yet also oddly enough more relevant to real life then your finals.

Absolutely accurate. See games do prepare you for life. Heh...

[Serza]

I appreciate that! But I don't really know what 'blunder' you're talking about. You mean not remembering what Magna Carta was? Meh. Most history students in US universities have no idea what the Golden Bull of 1356 was, and have never even heard of the Blood Court in Prague.

 

Golden Bull of 1356... Zlatá bula?

 

Something about Karel IV.

 

Like, rights and such. I'm slightly fuzzy from beer right now, but I think it had to do with rights like Magna Carta, except it wasn't about not jailing and torturing people because the King felt like it. Instead, something about voting?

 

Absolutely accurate. See games do prepare you for life. Heh...

 

Damn right! Back to Battlefront now.

[Dai Grepher]

They can swear fealty to both, actually.

Arls are the equivalent of mayors and rule over the cities and areas nearby while Banns divide the Ferelden countryside.

A landowner whose terrain stood near the city of Amaranthine, for instance, would swear allegiance to the Arl of Amaranthine for practical reasons since his soldiers are the ones closest by.

On the other hand, Dragon's Peak and West Hills are Bannorns making their peasants vassals to Banns.

So, the social strata of Ferelden probably goes something like this.

 

Royal Family

Teyrn

Bann - Arl

Knight

Peasant.

 

I don't know if you can swear to more than one bann (I'd imagine that would be illegal), but I think the lore states that a freeholder swears only to one bann at a time. An arl is just a bann who is also the vassal of a teyrn. So in fact all lords swear to a bann, it's just that some banns are arls. An arl acts on the authority of a teyrn for whatever the teyrn needs done.

 

As for Eamon, I would imagine that he was Cailan's arl. The monarch is, after all, a teyrn whose teyrnir is all of Ferelden.
 

Also, a knight's title is "ser". Keep all this in mind during your next exam.

[Aren]

This thread shows it. We're all a bunch of nerds. 

I'm rather ignorant actually,whenever i believe that i have understood something about Thedas,there's always some sources that disprove everything,i'm feeling like the Dalish really...

"truth is not the end but the beginning someone said..." well i don't like to start from the beginning each time.

[Aimi]

I think the lore states that a freeholder swears only to one bann at a time.

if the freeholder is swearing to a bann, the freeholder is by definition not actually a freeholder

unless, I suppose, the swear is something like "you c***" rather than some form of allegiance

[Dai Grepher]

if the freeholder is swearing to a bann, the freeholder is by definition not actually a freeholder

unless, I suppose, the swear is something like "you c***" rather than some form of allegiance

 

No because the freeholder doesn't sign his lands over to the bann. The freeholder only pays the bann for soldiers to protect the freehold.

[Aimi]

No because the freeholder doesn't sign his lands over to the bann. The freeholder only pays the bann for soldiers to protect the freehold.

So where does the swearing come in? Still not seeing any evidence for anything other than profanity.

[Kantr]

There's a difference between the Norman and Orlesian invasions (aside from the fact that the Normans were chucked out of France), Britain and France have a sea dividing them whereas Orlais and Ferelden do not. Making it easier to send for more troops and they would not have remained separate countries

[Dai Grepher]

So where does the swearing come in? Still not seeing any evidence for anything other than profanity.

 

If you play Awakening you will see freeholders swear fealty to the player character.
 

[Heimdall]

I don't know if you can swear to more than one bann (I'd imagine that would be illegal), but I think the lore states that a freeholder swears only to one bann at a time. An arl is just a bann who is also the vassal of a teyrn. So in fact all lords swear to a bann, it's just that some banns are arls. An arl acts on the authority of a teyrn for whatever the teyrn needs done.

As for Eamon, I would imagine that he was Cailan's arl. The monarch is, after all, a teyrn whose teyrnir is all of Ferelden.

Also, a knight's title is "ser". Keep all this in mind during your next exam.

If I recall from the DAO codex, an Arl is a bann that has other banns sworn to them. The nobility system in Ferelden doesn't seem to be very strict. Not all Arls seem to be sworn to Teyrns and not all Banns seem to owe fealty to Arls. The titles seem to be more like vague descriptions of the amount of land they directly or indirectly control.

[Dai Grepher]

I think I remember the codices stating that the teyrns have authority over the banns. The arls are just vassals for the teyrns, but the arls are banns too. And of course the monarch is the top teyrn.

 

I could be wrong, but swearing fealty to an arl is like swearing fealty to that arl's teyrn.

[MisterJB]

I don't know if you can swear to more than one bann (I'd imagine that would be illegal), but I think the lore states that a freeholder swears only to one bann at a time. An arl is just a bann who is also the vassal of a teyrn. So in fact all lords swear to a bann, it's just that some banns are arls. An arl acts on the authority of a teyrn for whatever the teyrn needs done.

 

As for Eamon, I would imagine that he was Cailan's arl. The monarch is, after all, a teyrn whose teyrnir is all of Ferelden.
 

Also, a knight's title is "ser". Keep all this in mind during your next exam.

 

What makes you think that an Arl is Bann who is the vassal of a Teyrn?

The first volume of TWoT states that an Arl is effectively a mayor who rules over Ferelden cities with Bannorns dividing the countryside.

[Dai Grepher]

What makes you think that an Arl is Bann who is the vassal of a Teyrn?

The first volume of TWoT states that an Arl is effectively a mayor who rules over Ferelden cities with Bannorns dividing the countryside.

 

Codex Entry: Politics of Ferelden

 

The first two volumes of TWoT are wrong.
 

[Ghost Gal]

I've written more essays than I can count comparing WASP "Western" society's treatment of minorities, both historically and in literature, to Andrastian humans' treatment of elves in Thedas. (Thank you Marxist class struggle and race relational examinations of literature, and professors who allow students to pull from outside works of fiction to compare/contrast.)