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#76
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Tally so far (no pun intended) based only on mentions in your posts (obscure characters omitted):

  • Mordin (26)
  • Garrus (23)
  • Wrex (22)
  • Liara (18)
  • Miranda (17)
  • Tali (15)
  • Legion (15)
  • Jack (14)
  • Joker (13)
  • Javik (12)
  • Kaidan (10)
  • Thane (10)
  • EDI (10)
  • TIM (10)
  • Kasumi (9)
  • Grunt (9)
  • Samara (8)
  • Zaeed (8)
  • Ashley (7)
  • Shepard/FemShep (6)
  • Aria (6)
  • Anderson (6)
  • James (5)
  • Hackett (4)
  • Space Hamster (3)
  • Harbinger (3)
  • Traynor (2)
  • Jacob (2)
  • Cortez (1)
Am I the only one who finds it hilarious that the Space Hamster and Harbinger are head-to-head on this list!

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                                                                                                  <<<<<<<<<<()>>>>>>>>>>

 

1. Shep of course

2. Miranda

3. Liara

4. Garrus

5. Tali



#78
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Tally so far (no pun intended) based only on mentions in your posts (obscure characters omitted):

  1. Mordin (26)
  2. Garrus (23)
  3. Wrex (22)
  4. Liara (18)
  5. Miranda (17)
  6. Tali (15)
  7. Legion (15)
  8. Jack (14)
  9. Joker (13)
  10. Javik (12)
  11. Kaidan (10)
  12. Thane (10)
  13. EDI (10)
  14. TIM (10)
  15. Kasumi (9)
  16. Grunt (9)
  17. Samara (8)
  18. Zaeed (8)
  19. Ashley (7)
  20. Shepard/FemShep (6)
  21. Aria (6)
  22. Anderson (6)
  23. James (5)
  24. Hackett (4)
  25. Space Hamster (3)
  26. Harbinger (3)
  27. Traynor (2)
  28. Jacob (2)
  29. Cortez (1)

Am I the only one who finds it hilarious that the Space Hamster and Harbinger are head-to-head on this list!

 

Nice, cool to see that.

 

I have to say the Mordin thing keeps blowing my mind, I mean it's a very accurate representation of kind of the ultimate jerk... but it's still... the ultimate jerk.

 

Tali for instance never struck me as any less calculating or surgical, it just manifest itself in a more emotional way and less directly analytical way.



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Space Hamster doesn't count as obscure? :blink:

Well.., it's not like science or anything... but no he doesn't: I saw him at least as often as Harbinger :)



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Squad mates
1. Wrex
2. Grunt
3. Tali
4. Jack
5. Garrus
6. Legion
7. Mordin
8. Samara
9. Thane
10. Edi
11. Jacob
12. Liara
13. Kasumi
14. Vega
15. Kaiden
16. Zaeed
17. Ashley
18. Miranda

#81
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1. Tali

2. Garrus

3. Wrex

4. Mordin

5. Thane


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#82
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Wow, people really like Mordin... I think he's an a**hole.


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#83
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Wow, people really like Mordin... I think he's an a**hole.

Even being a huge Krogan guy I really like Mordin funny smart and doesn't apologise. Oh if he was a romantic option he be a Suger daddy to my FemShep still Wrex would have been better.
Actually surprised he has more votes than both Wrex and Garrus though.

#84
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Wow, people really like Mordin... I think he's an a**hole.

You're right, he is. But I think there's a limit on just how bad he is in that respect. He does a lot of bad things, but he really doesn't mean to be a bad guy. The writers put a great deal of effort into his backstory and his characterization to make him extremely imperfect but well-intentioned. He has flaws, recognizes them, and tries to improve on who he is as a person to make things right.

 

I quite enjoyed his story.



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He does a lot of bad things, but he really doesn't mean to be a bad guy.

 

It's pretty hard to reach any other conclusion then that. One of my pet peeves is this kind of bending over backwards but that was just a one-off event that was then this is now.. it's like saying people can get away with anything as long as they say sorry at the end.

 

People are what they are, it's just how it is.

 

I'd rather just say there are way worse out there (and why I liked your list). I could see Mordin at the top of the bottom half but no higher really.


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Mordin is brilliant, selfless, and pragmatic. I don't see anything not to like. 


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Mordin is brilliant, selfless, and pragmatic. I don't see anything not to like. 

 

Mordin is selfish, calculating, and rugged. His apoliticism makes him sort of a contributor to quasi-evil causes. I'm getting pretty hungry I need some pizza or something, so I could go into more detail but can't really, but he's the equivalent of the Nazi scientist who wasn't actually a fan or proponent of Nazi ideology, but due to his own programmatic and highly controlled ways of thinking and need for stability, can often become beholden to them.

 

Constructing the genophage versus implementing the genophage, I mean, ok, rather than a Nazi paralell you could argue he was like Robert Oppenheimer or something, someone who again wasn't political or avidly engaged in certain causes, but through his own desire to escape everything and everyone and turn everything into the language of chemistry and equations, ultimately ended up serving a highly politicized and amoral cause (the atomic bombings of Hiroshima etc)

 

You could maybe argue it's a tragic character, the person who was just a pure hearted student of science, manipulated by the greater forces, but the reality is I have (and had) at least a few extended familiy members who fit the hapless scientist mold to the bone, and the reality is they were capable of tremendous cruelty in their personal interactions and (contrary to the notion of brilliant scientist, or arguably even as a direct consequence of that notion) great stupidity, and so ultimately I am not inclined to view that as some myth making and not grant them a great deal of leniency.

 

It's something various societies around the globe tend to worship in varying fashion, the go it alone solitary scientist who has all the answers to all the questions, who is objectively free of tainted politicism, but all those people who prop up that myth really do is plant the seed of destruction, for then it becomes clear that all that isolation from reality and building up their own personal hero myth has birthed nothing but intense fragility and hyper-submission to other's opinions. (And at least one of those extended family members died in a most slow and agonizingly horrible way possible as it became clear mid life his life was.. well... a bit messy)

 

You can see a sort of paralell in Mordin, he ultimately ends up basically having to sacrifice himself to solve his own problems. That is not a hero, that is a screw up who is nonetheless at least partially capable of seeing and responding to his own screw-upness. A person doesn't really get credit for solving problems they created in the first place. At best, they do solve their own problems in a way, at worst they try and force the world or others to view their state of fragility as heroic and powerful, and which, predictably, leads to even more problems.

 

The reality is that we don't really have a choice about facing thorny moral questions, we all must simply answer them as best we can. If one cannot give their own answer, then a default or someone else's answer will be given, and the default, much like the default result in other areas of the universe, is usually not all that good.

 

Hm well that got quite long, I guess I didn't need the pizza so badly... definitely going to need that or soda or something soon though.

 

Well one more thing, to get it back to the topic. As I was saying, Tali demonstrates that sublime control tendencies and humanity are not mutually exclusive. The Quarian's relationship with the geth is a symbiotic and mutually beneficial relationship, even though obviously it is far from perfect. Rather than haplessly become a scientist as part of a geth extermination battalion, she is devoted in heart and mind to the process of relating to and grasping with the essence of the problem on her own terms. Consequently, she is better able to formulate her own opinion and stance in contrast to the others who would push and prod her into more extremist ideologies (various Quarian admirals, commanders, leaders, etc)

 

She was, to again use an analogy, Marie Curie, someone who did not let her place of birth or original understanding of self cloud her ability to assess and interpret outside information, which in her particular case meant becoming more familiar with the country of Poland and her relationships with it, and which enhanced and aided her sympathies and understandings of, the outbreak of WWI.

 

Arguably, putting aside the issue of the atomic bomb entirely, she was just a much better scientist too while we're at it, Oppenheimer was fast and productive but he was also very derivative in almost every aspect of his work, whereas Curie ran successfully rough-shod over established doctrine at nearly every turn.

 

It's not as though Tali and Mordin are even chasms apart though either, necessarily, (although at least one big chasm for sure) it's simply that she has the presence of mind to define her own framework and ability to solve issues, and whatever her ability is in that respect, she is entitled to precisely that level of greater self-power.

 

Kay soda or something now soon good grapes, I just got going there I guess.


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#88
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Those krogan clans should consider themselves lucky I wasn't deciding their fate. They would have gone the same way as the rachni. Without the genophage, they are space locusts. Garvug is a glimpse of what expansion looks like. Thankfully Mordin was able to see the light and allow his good work to continue.


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#89
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Tali
Miranda
Mordin
Jack
Kasumi
Ashley
Legion
Traynor
Edi
The Lady Blue Sun in the Archangel story line.
Wrex

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Well, excluding my canon Shepard, I'll go with with my Top 5, and my Honorable 3:

 

Top

 

1) Liara (liked her best mostly in ME1, liked her in ME2's Shadow Broker DLC but not so much during vanilla ME2; and liked her more in ME3 than I did in ME2)

2) Garrus (was best in ME2, alright in ME1 but he wasn't my favorite in ME1, that would go to either Wrex or Tali; and Garrus was cool in ME3)

3) Wrex (obviously a classic in ME1, pretty much absent in ME2 but still good to at least see him a bit; he was alright in ME3)

4) Tali (thought she was at her best in ME2, but I still liked her in ME1 for sure; she was alright in ME3)

5) Jack (I liked the development of her character through ME3, but initially did not really liked her in ME2. I understood the character better over time especially after completing ME3 and in retrospect I can say she's definitely on my top five now; but to reiterate, I didn't really like her much during my first ME2 playthrough)

 

Honorable Mentions

 

1) Mordin (only during ME2; in ME3 he didn't have the same voice actor, ((Michael Beattie)) and although his replacement did "okay" it just didn't feel the same for me. Ironically, the Tuchanka story arc was my favorite part of ME3, and arguably one of the best of the trilogy; ultimately, however, his sacrifice scene at the end of that arc didn't get to me as much as it should have)

2) EDI / Joker (I include both, because one can't go without the other. I liked their interactions a lot in ME2, and I also liked how EDI was written for the most part in ME3, but to be honest when I first saw "her" in a body and then understood she'd be part of the squad I couldn't help but laugh. I felt a sort of embarrassment, with a touch of discomfort. Not that I "hated" her in ME3, as I said I did like her character in written form for most of the game... but really most of it could have remained inside the Normandy as the A.I. who keeps pestering and jesting at Joker. The written parts I didn't really like were usually related to the fact that she had a body and how Joker and her apparently developed... something... for each other, which again made me laugh and couldn't take any seriously).

3) Javik (I'd say that I include him simply because that character positively surprised me in a number of ways: first, his appearance / design, which has a lot in common with collector drones, which story-wise sort of 'connected' collectors to Protheans in a good way, and helped forge the idea that Reapers turned Protheans into collectors as tools in the previous cycle and that the 'original' Prothean form isn't so different even 50K years later. Second, the more you talk to him and know him, the more you realize that the Protheans were very imperialistic, contrarily to the common self-romanticized ideas we had of them back in ME1 mostly, especially due to how Liara portrays them and how we don't have much choice but to follow those ideas because she was after all the "expert" on Protheans. My third surprise with Javik was later obviously all related to the Thessia arc in ME3, mostly in good ways. But ultimately I can only give him this honorable mention because, first of all, he's a DLC character that unfortunately not everyone got to meet, and secondo, he's only in one game of the trilogy)

 

The others I haven't mentioned were not "bad" at all. I liked them all to some degree, even if it was situational or during just one game but not the other (example: Legion, really liked "him" in ME2, disliked him a lot in ME3). But the above are those that stand out from the crowd in my book.



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No Al-Jazeera (was that her name? The journalist you get to speak with in all three MEs)? I loved how she makes Paragon Sheppard shine in ME2 when you chose to save the Council or when you hit her as a renegade and then she hits you back in ME3. Conrad is also definitely one of my favorite minor recurring NPCs.

 

As for companions, Tali and Liara are on the top, closely followed by Wrex and Garrus. The rest are more or less the same to me, good but not exceptional.



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Wow, people really like Mordin... I think he's an a**hole.

 

It because of that stupid song that he sings.


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It because of that stupid song that he sings.

 

Yeah, I either mute the tv or leave the room til he's done. I'll say, he is one of the few competent squad AI I don't mind using during missions though.



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Wow, people really like Mordin... I think he's an a**hole.

All of Mordin's efforts went to stopping marauding killers from ruining things for everyone else, be it krogan, mercenary lowlife. Someone without the ruthlessness and expertise of Mr. Solus would not have been able to put the merc scum of Omega in their place and stop the Collector virus, when he could have avoided it altogether and just live somewhere else, like the lush paradise Sur'kesh.

You earth clan have odd tastes.

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All of Mordin's efforts went to stopping marauding killers from ruining things for everyone else, be it krogan, mercenary lowlife. Someone without the ruthlessness and expertise of Mr. Solus would not have been able to put the merc scum of Omega in their place and stop the Collector virus, when he could have avoided it altogether and just live somewhere else, like the lush paradise Sur'kesh.

You earth clan have odd tastes.

 

I don't like him. My opinion. No need for dissertations on why Mordin is epic from people. I just don't care for Mordin. I found other characters more to my liking.



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I can't help but be curious about the Mordin-is-an-a**hole sentiment. I never really got anything remotely close to this impression. Zaeed's easily the bigger one, though I'm a fan of him myself.
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1)Tali
2)Tali's Sweat
3)Tali's Technobabble
4)Tali's Hips
5)Tali's Soup
6)Tali's Shotgun

what other characters were there in the game, anyway?


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1. Kaidan

2. Tali

3. Kasumi

4. Grunt

5. Wrex

6. EDI

7. Garrus

8. Vega

9. Jack

10. Miranda



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1)Tali
2)Tali's Sweat
3)Tali's Technobabble
4)Tali's Hips
5)Tali's Soup
6)Tali's Shotgun

what other characters were there in the game, anyway?

Sorry, just made me chuckle :)



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I can't help but be curious about the Mordin-is-an-a**hole sentiment. I never really got anything remotely close to this impression. Zaeed's easily the bigger one, though I'm a fan of him myself.

 

Mordin has a very cold, ultra-scientific approach to how he conducts himself and how he interacts with others. He doesn't really believe in good and evil, and instead, he believes in right and wrong. What's "right" is invariably decided upon from what Mordin thinks is the logical way to do things. Usually, his logic is pretty arbitrary, and his logic ultimately made him responsible for the deaths of millions if not billions of Krogan mothers and infants.

 

I think his flaws and how he ultimately deals with his flaws make him one of the best characters in the franchise, but I definitely understand why people don't like him.


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