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^ So, you don't see how fart jokes and such are immature? I mean, sophomoric humor is fine if that's your thing, but it is immature, regardless of whether you also find it funny. And yes, that is one of the things I find annoying about her.

 

Again, subjective. I don't recall a fart joke in my playthrough (perhaps just not remembering it because it didn't stand out), but I don't consider pranks to be immature by default.

 

Edit: Let me add I think someone throwing themselves on the floor and flailing about, screaming and throwing a tantrum like a child because they didn't get their way is immature. Doing something disgusting (fart joke or pretty much everything in 'Hot Tub Time Machine', still can't believe my husband made me sit through that) is gross and not something one would normally do in public, but it's not immature.



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Two things: First, she might also possibly be a bit pissed off that he set you and her up and had his goons ambush you. It's not just about what he did to her "friends." Second, she only kills him if you don't listen to her telling you to stop talking to him. If you deal with him quickly (don't ask him more than two questions, as I recall) she won't kill him. Actually if you have the nobility perk you can get him to become a servant of the Inquisition. She likes that quite a bit.

Exactly, Sera will kill the noble only if you ask too many questions or allow her to.



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Why feel bad for not liking her? Sera doesn't feel bad for openly judging, mocking, and/or dismissing your character for being whatever she doesn't like (noble, "elfy" elf, mage, etc), so why feel bad for not liking her? (At least, she would if she wasn't a fictional character.)


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Again, subjective. I don't recall a fart joke in my playthrough (perhaps just not remembering it because it didn't stand out), but I don't consider pranks to be immature by default.
 
Edit: Let me add I think someone throwing themselves on the floor and flailing about, screaming and throwing a tantrum like a child because they didn't get their way is immature. Doing something disgusting (fart joke or pretty much everything in 'Hot Tub Time Machine', still can't believe my husband made me sit through that) is gross and not something one would normally do in public, but it's not immature.


Well, there is some banter where Sera hits Vivienne with the ol' silent killer and then laughs when the latter complains about that most foul smell.

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Why feel bad for not liking her? Sera doesn't feel bad for openly judging, mocking, and/or dismissing your character for being whatever she doesn't like (noble, "elfy" elf, mage, etc), so why feel bad for not liking her? (Plus she's a fictional character.)

 

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Well, there is some banter where Sera hits Vivienne with the ol' silent killer and then laughs when the latter complains about that most foul smell.

 

Not going to lie, that made me chuckle. Do you have to have Sera and Viv in your party at the same time for this to happen or does she do it at Haven/Skyhold?



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It is odd but I find that Sera grows on you.   My first run my female Lavellan couldn't stand her (I found her irritating and immature).  My apprentice Keeper was also too elfy for Sera's liking.  It was a near run thing her staying with the Inquisition after our encounter with that noble, not because I didn't think he deserved a thorough beating but she stepped in and started hitting him when I was still questioning him.    My apprentice Keeper didn't take kindly to that.    Sera was too much of a lose canon and she told her so.    From now on she obeyed orders.     So we were definitely not friends, although to give Sera her due, she was still sympathetic towards my girl in Trespasser over her failed romance with Solas.   Then again, Sera never liked him.

 

Still, next run was with my male Lavellan.   He was a rogue so they had a bit more in common and of course he didn't have the magic stigma.   I played it that he saw her more as an annoying little sister but no worse than a lot of the young hunters in his clan in pushing against his authority, so he knew how to deal with it, by refusing to get into an argument over the noble and that completely threw her.   Thereafter relations got a lot better.    He actually found it a good way to relax by playing silly pranks on people and he had no objection to getting down from the Herald pedestal that everyone had placed him on.     So we ended up having cookies on the roof and I genuinely found myself liking Sera by the end.    When he told her she was family, he meant it.

 

Actually I agree with a lot of the sentiments she holds about the nobility and that it is a pity sometimes what she says is lost in the irritating ways she says it.   Still I suppose it would have been too easy to agree with her if she didn't have the attitude problem.    

 

Strangely enough I couldn't stand Vivienne at first either but subsequently grew to like her.    So may be it has to do with how you role play your Inquisitor.   In my case, my female Lavellan didn't like either of them but all my male elf Inquisitors have got along just fine.      My male mage Trevelyan gets on just fine with Vivienne but not with Sera.   I guess that is because he is too much the noble with her.



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Not going to lie, that made me chuckle. Do you have to have Sera and Viv in your party at the same time for this to happen or does she do it at Haven/Skyhold?


You need to be travelling with Sera and Viv in your party.

Vivienne: What is that horrendous smell?
Sera: Nothing!
Vivienne: Where... where is it coming from?
Sera: Nowhere!
Vivienne: (Sighs)

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There's no reason for me to feel bad about not liking Sera. In fact my favorite thing to do with Sera is ally with Pel Harmon, then kick her out. I only recruit her now because Bee Grenades are surprisingly good and I don't have the Golden Nug statue on PS3.

 

I fully admit that if that bug with Flask of Fire was still in the game, I'd recruit her every single time. I used that bug to destroy Nightmare for the trophy.


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I do, but it's on the meta level more than what there is - I WANT to like Sera, I really do. I was excited for her back in the build to release. But then she appears in game and it's like her writer didn't want to pick a direction to take with her character, so every cutscene conversation introduces an entirely new path for her character to take, with no follow up in the next one. And I feel really uncomfortable with how it's the lesbian character who I've reached a point where I can't bring myself to recruit her anymore.

 

My issue keeps coming back to the fact that she doesn't grow or develop in Inquisition's main story, and, while Trespasser offered development, it happens entirely offscreen, so we're just told she developed, rather than seeing it. And within the context of Inquisition, it basically comes down to 'agree with her or kick her out.' She's a character I WANT to build up and support, but I am literally incapable of doing it within the confines of the game. Because I don't see blind agreement as building someone up.

 

On paper, Sera is a character I'd love to have around. As implemented, I can't stand her. And I hate that.


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She's probably the companion closest to my character. So, if i look at all three games and make a list of the companions that become closest to my characters i get

 

Dog

Aveline

Anders

Sera


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There's no reason for me to feel bad about not liking Sera. In fact my favorite thing to do with Sera is ally with Pel Harmon, then kick her out. I only recruit her now because Bee Grenades are surprisingly good and I don't have the Golden Nug statue on PS3.

 

I fully admit that if that bug with Flask of Fire was still in the game, I'd recruit her every single time. I used that bug to destroy Nightmare for the trophy.

The ability to give her the boot makes her a step above most of the companions.  I love kicking her out after her quest as well.


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I like Sera. I get why some people don't, but I think that most of those people are joyless turds.

Then again, I don't like Zevran and whenever I play DA:O I usually kill him. So.

 

Oddly enough I've been thinking about Zevran in DAO lately. Specifically, that I've always let him live even though he just tried to assassinate you. Is there any justification for doing so that doesn't make the Warden look like an idiot?

 

Anyway, Sera is great, but she became one of my favorite DA: I characters during the ending feast, when she said she wanted to stay and I told her this was her home and she told me to shut up or else she'd cry and have to punch me. 

 

In general, given how the first 2 DA games went with characters, I thought it was great that at least a few actually decided to stay with the Inquisitor.



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City elves are one of my favourite origins - I think I prefer dwarf commoners slightly more, but there's only a hair between it. Shame I like to play mages so much in terms of gameplay. So I've always been a little skeptical of the dalish - most of my city elves have finished Nature of the Beasts with a diminished opinion of them - a number of them come off as snobbish, thinking themselves the 'true' blood of the elves, descended from dalish nobles (which clans are usually named after), or some such nonsense. It plays into arguments about racial purity which aren't concerned with the real plight of the elves: poverty, homelessness. It's divisive. I never liked the dalish much - and never felt then need to defend them - until I played a Solas-mancing Lavellan.

As you can imagine, Sera appeals quite naturally for me. She hates nobles - as do I. She also expresses an opinion on elves that I can sympathise with the origins of, even if I don't share it - I wouldn't say being an elf is an irrelevant detail, given the amount of racism that is rife in the dragon age setting, but I definitely don't think we should dwell in the past or get all elfier-than-thou about it. She's also a fun character who has a lot of good banter with others, and also makes friends with other companions (I really like it when my companions build relationships and interact with each other as more than strangers). If I ever have to take Blackwall out with me, I always take Sera along too because of their banter.

So, you don't see how fart jokes and such are immature? I mean, sophomoric humor is fine if that's your thing, but it is immature, regardless of whether you also find it funny. And yes, that is one of the things I find annoying about her.

 
I'd probably consider the only immature trait being that she doesn't accept any criticism. She doesn't like being challenged. And that's ok - most people don't - but to such an extent that you can't tell her she's wrong without her getting very upset seems... immature. I agree with most people that I wish her character arc had involved helping her take criticism and maybe shape her views in a particular direction. I also hate how she breaks up with a Lavellan who refuses to let go of deeply held personal beliefs they've valued all their lives - that's very immature.

Fart jokes? Couldn't care less about. A bit passé, but hardly a character flaw.

And honestly, I dislike how she loses control over herself and stomps that guy to death. When she calls the servants that tipped her off her "friends," she is only referring to a "friend" of Red Jenny, and not an actual person that she knows, so the outrage seems a bit extreme. While what he did was terrible -- and I agree that he IS a total "arsebiscuit," -- that behavior from her was unacceptable to me. Unfortunately, I can't really express that thought back at Skyhold, so I'm more or less stuck with the nice response.

 
The Verchiel guy came off like a collossal ****** from the moment he opened his mouth, from my point of view. He cared so little for the people beneath him in rank or status, they were just objects to him, it's actually incredibly cruel when you think about it. Definitely comes under the category of people I think deserve a slap in the face.

I think her anger there is perhaps an expression of something deeper. It's not necessarily personal, as in, she was angry because she knew the people (that's not the case) - but more that... well, I've been in a similar position before, where I'm privvy to a conversation with someone of a much higher social rank who clearly considers my existence - as well as all of my ilk, poor millenials who can't afford to pay rent or college debt - as just completely insignificant, as if my voice, my thoughts, my life, my friends' lives - are just not worth a bloody damn. It's angering. It's upsetting. The anger she felt there was probably just at this entitled posh ****** who considered this entire class of people - who live and love like anyone else - just completely beneath him. To the extent that people have died over a very petty squabble over land.

I don't blame her for beating the **** of him when she had the chance. I don't think that was immature, really. He was an awful human being and probably deserved as much, even if it wasn't too polite to do so.
 

She's probably the companion closest to my character. So, if i look at all three games and make a list of the companions that become closest to my characters i get
 
Dog
Aveline
Anders
Sera


That's an excellent list of characters.
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I found the writing to be way too on the nose when trying to establish her as being "quirky" and anti-establishment. 

 

This is the only problem I have with Sera or any character in DAI. They are often written as "This character represents _____." The dialogue is in need of a critical eye at times. But for all we know that was done deliberately.

 

Anyway, while I've always found myself falling in love with DA characters more so than ME characters, I've also always found the DA writing to be more formulaic, especially in terms of character (but also of course in plot).



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Hell no.  She's my most hated Bioware party member ever.  Her personality is all types of wack.  I dislike Vivienne more morally on principle but at least she has class.  If Sera wasn't  good at her job I wouldn't use her at all.  

 

You know the world isn't fair when Khalisah Bint Sinan al-Jilani can get decked 3 times and Sera not once.



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I've never had a problem with any of the characters. They're video game characters, not real people that you have to spend your life around. This is just my opinion, but i think it's kind of dumb to kick  someone off your team. You spend a certain amount of money to buy the game and you're willingly costing yourself content from the game that you won't get just because you couldn't deal with a video game character's personality.



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I tried to like her but I just can't, every playthrough I start and tell myself "okay this time i'll befriend her" but in the end I end up disliking her even more <_<

 

I did her personal quest and recruted the noble as a servant of the Inquisition, she was okay with it at first (Sera approves) and then in Skyhold she's just mad at you and if you try to reason with her about your decision she tells you to f**k off (not literraly though).

 

I didn't had her "cookies" cutscene in all my playthroughs, and I played a lot :lol: :D



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I tried to like her but I just can't, every playthrough I start and tell myself "okay this time i'll befriend her" but in the end I end up disliking her even more <_<

I did her personal quest and recruted the noble as a servant of the Inquisition, she was okay with it at first (Sera approves) and then in Skyhold she's just mad at you and if you try to reason with her about your decision she tells you to f**k off (not literraly though).

I didn't had her "cookies" cutscene in all my playthroughs, and I played a lot :lol: :D


You're doing it wrong, mate. Sera isn't upset when you return to Skyhold. And I'm quite sure that by reasoning you mean fighting her over it.

If you wanna befriend Sera in that quest, you gotta be nice to her in that last conversation.

I do, but it's on the meta level more than what there is - I WANT to like Sera, I really do. I was excited for her back in the build to release. But then she appears in game and it's like her writer didn't want to pick a direction to take with her character, so every cutscene conversation introduces an entirely new path for her character to take, with no follow up in the next one. And I feel really uncomfortable with how it's the lesbian character who I've reached a point where I can't bring myself to recruit her anymore.
 
My issue keeps coming back to the fact that she doesn't grow or develop in Inquisition's main story, and, while Trespasser offered development, it happens entirely offscreen, so we're just told she developed, rather than seeing it. And within the context of Inquisition, it basically comes down to 'agree with her or kick her out.' She's a character I WANT to build up and support, but I am literally incapable of doing it within the confines of the game. Because I don't see blind agreement as building someone up.
 
On paper, Sera is a character I'd love to have around. As implemented, I can't stand her. And I hate that.


Varric, Vivienne and Josephine don't really change either. Just sayin'.

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Wait...how/when do you get the cookies scene? I thought it was only for romances but if it's for friendship too then  i don't get it? Most of my decisions she approves of.



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Oddly enough I've been thinking about Zevran in DAO lately. Specifically, that I've always let him live even though he just tried to assassinate you. Is there any justification for doing so that doesn't make the Warden look like an idiot?


Not that I know of! That's why I don't do it. Same with Velanna and Loghain.

Honestly, almost every fight in a BioWare game that involves the player "killing" somebody in combat (or "reducing their HP to 1") and then somehow conversing with a totally live and only semi-incapacitated (oh look they're kind of bent over and clutching their stomach) enemy afterward is just dumb. Only rarely does it work in a way that doesn't feel obnoxiously forced, like the fight against Servis in the Western Approach where he gets like KOed or something and your companions are like welp let's drag his sorry insensate ass back to Skyhold for a judgment.

And it's annoying that it only seems to happen to Guys In Charge rather than mooks. The Guys In Charge are obvious scumbags; the mooks are often scumbags, but not always, or at least don't have the same amount of choice as Guys In Charge. It's sad that the people who made something awful happen in the first place are the ones who get the chance to live through it.
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I like Sera. I get why some people don't, but I think that most of those people are joyless turds.

 

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Oddly enough I've been thinking about Zevran in DAO lately. Specifically, that I've always let him live even though he just tried to assassinate you. Is there any justification for doing so that doesn't make the Warden look like an idiot?

 

 

Beyond playing a reckless Warden, not really. I always let him go, but that's more from my love of the character than anything else. Which inevitably means I'm always playing reckless Wardens.


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The Verchiel guy came off like a collossal ****** from the moment he opened his mouth, from my point of view. He cared so little for the people beneath him in rank or status, they were just objects to him, it's actually incredibly cruel when you think about it. Definitely comes under the category of people I think deserve a slap in the face.

I think her anger there is perhaps an expression of something deeper. It's not necessarily personal, as in, she was angry because she knew the people (that's not the case) - but more that... well, I've been in a similar position before, where I'm privvy to a conversation with someone of a much higher social rank who clearly considers my existence - as well as all of my ilk, poor millenials who can't afford to pay rent or college debt - as just completely insignificant, as if my voice, my thoughts, my life, my friends' lives - are just not worth a bloody damn. It's angering. It's upsetting. The anger she felt there was probably just at this entitled posh ****** who considered this entire class of people - who live and love like anyone else - just completely beneath him. To the extent that people have died over a very petty squabble over land.

I don't blame her for beating the **** of him when she had the chance. I don't think that was immature, really. He was an awful human being and probably deserved as much, even if it wasn't too polite to do so.


The only thing is that she didn't just beat him up, she violently killed him in cold blood. That's a little worrying, and I find it hard to allow her free reign in Skyhold after showing how unstable she is. I ignore it by using the dialogue perk to seize the dude's assets, but still knowing that she can snap like this is unsettling.
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