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[Qun00]

I question that as a genuine attempt at a reasonable compromise.

The compromise seems largely one-sided as Sera will have to agree to concede to consider the possiblity of other deities but the Inquisitor will have to agree to concede that the closet evidence they have to the existence of their deities and some actual evidence of some of their ancient culture is, in fact, a complete and utter lie.

Sera has to consider the possibility that other deities exist leaving her the option that comes with consideration; namely, considering it false but the Inquisitor has to accept without question that everything connected to the Temple is a lie which could, by the logic of that declaration, include their own deities.

With all due respect, it sounds a bit like the compromise you hear from a person being petty about something and wanting to mock the other person under the poor guise of posing a reasonable compromise; "Here's the compromise; I'll concede that mayyybe you are right, you'll concede that you are absolutely wrong in every way."

A fairer compromise would be that both Sera and the Inquisitor has to consider the others' viewpoints; Sera has to consider that there may be something about ancient elves and their culture to be found in the Temple that should not be idly dismissed because of religious reasons or fear and the Inquisitor has to consider that there may be some questionable things in the Temple that should not be accepted without question because the Inquisitor could be wrong in their initial assumptions about them.

Neither of them needs to consider anything. They can just accept that they'll never agree on this and drop the subject.

The Inquisitor never tries to convince Sera of anything. S/He merely answers the question that the latter brought up in the first place.

[nightscrawl]

Just curious... are some of these conversations in the romance ones you have to have, or can you avoid them and still continue on with the romance and pretend you've never discussed it?

[JosieRevisited]

Sera is amusing and I did enjoy traveling with her, but I'm with the folks in here who have noted how hard-fixed she is when developing the friendship or relationship. I hit the jackpot with my first character (started as a qunari) and even with the edge that provided, I felt a lot like I'd better just shut up and look pretty because the relationship could be over at any moment. Agreeing with Sera felt pretty mandatory because she just lacked the capacity to be intellectually curious and accepting of things outside her little box of comfort. 

 

The friendship and relationship felt incredibly superficial as a result, and not an experience that I've wanted to repeat in subsequent playthroughs. 

 

So in short, she has her moments but overall I don't think she was a terribly successful character. 

[vbibbi]

Just curious... are some of these conversations in the romance ones you have to have, or can you avoid them and still continue on with the romance and pretend you've never discussed it?

I believe the Dalish IQ has to renounce their faith after Temple of Mythal, but the other races don't have crisis points. I've only romanced her as a Qunari, though, so I'm not sure.

 

Sera is amusing and I did enjoy traveling with her, but I'm with the folks in here who have noted how hard-fixed she is when developing the friendship or relationship. I hit the jackpot with my first character (started as a qunari) and even with the edge that provided, I felt a lot like I'd better just shut up and look pretty because the relationship could be over at any moment. Agreeing with Sera felt pretty mandatory because she just lacked the capacity to be intellectually curious and accepting of things outside her little box of comfort. 

 

The friendship and relationship felt incredibly superficial as a result, and not an experience that I've wanted to repeat in subsequent playthroughs. 

 

So in short, she has her moments but overall I don't think she was a terribly successful character. 

Yeah, this is a good summary of some of my issues. If my PC doesn't agree with everything Sera believes, she'd better keep her yap shut or else risk breaking up/losing friendship. That just seems like a very unhealthy type of relationship to have and limits our agency. Most other LIs don't require absolute agreement to continue the romance. Even Anders doesn't break up with us if we decline to help him set the explosives in the Chantry. I guess Sebastian does give his ultimatum at the end of the game, but that is a result of his mother figure being killed by Anders.

[Iakus]

Sera is a mixed bag for me.  Some things she says leave be LOL-ing.  SOme have me grinning, then feeling kinda embarassed at myself for being amused.  And some things that just leave me cringing.

[Zikade]

The first time I met Sera, my initial reaction was: "....what?" I didn't have a clue what she was on about and what probably made it worse is the fact that I'm not a native english speaker. Almost everything she said sounded like gibberish to me and I found myself wondering if BioWare just tried too hard to make her extra quirky. 

 

However, while not taking initial liking to her and occasionally even being annoyed with her, I was curious and kind of enjoyed figuring her out. There were also traits I found quite refreshing. When she decided to go and kill the noble who I was talking with? I actually loved it. "A companion just went Renegade!Shep on me??? Never seen that before." 

 

While not a favorite, she grew on me, more so with following playthroughs. My first Inquisitor sort of ended up mirroring my confusion with her so their interaction was a very mixed bag. Second one was outright enemies (RPG'd as your typical "proud Dalish") and third one, surprisingly, ended up being very close with her although I expected the opposite with the way I'm roleplaying him.

 

I think Sera's a lot like Vivienne. Not the type of character who's designed to be universally agreeable/likable but someone who's destined to divide the audience and awake strong reactions.

Personally, I don't need to agree with her in order to appreciate someone like Viv as a character but I can certainly understand why people would dislike or even hate her. Same applies to Sera.  

[Tidus]

Sera marches to the beat of her own drums (or band perhaps?) since she doesn't seem to follow any 'rules' of society and has a devil may care attitude. Sera's "Blah,blah,blah obey me arrow in my face" speaks volumes for her view on life. She just killed that guy and now making jokes about him.

 

IMHO she's two or three French fries short of being a happy meal.

 

Still she's charming in her own ways.

[Iakus]

The first time I met Sera, my initial reaction was: "....what?" I didn't have a clue what she was on about and what probably made it worse is the fact that I'm not a native english speaker. Almost everything she said sounded like gibberish to me and I found myself wondering if BioWare just tried too hard to make her extra quirky. 

 

I am a native English speaker and quite a bit of what she says sounds like gibberish    Sera's just not that articulate.  Passionate, but not articulate.

 

 

 

think Sera's a lot like Vivienne. Not the type of character who's designed to be universally agreeable/likable but someone who's destined to divide the audience and awake strong reactions.
Personally, I don't need to agree with her in order to appreciate someone like Viv as a character but I can certainly understand why people would dislike or even hate her. Same applies to Sera.

Sera and Vivienne are like two sides of the same coin.  

[Ghost Gal]

 

 

Sera is amusing and I did enjoy traveling with her, but I'm with the folks in here who have noted how hard-fixed she is when developing the friendship or relationship. I hit the jackpot with my first character (started as a qunari) and even with the edge that provided, I felt a lot like I'd better just shut up and look pretty because the relationship could be over at any moment. Agreeing with Sera felt pretty mandatory because she just lacked the capacity to be intellectually curious and accepting of things outside her little box of comfort. 

 

The friendship and relationship felt incredibly superficial as a result, and not an experience that I've wanted to repeat in subsequent playthroughs. 

 

So in short, she has her moments but overall I don't think she was a terribly successful character. 

I believe the Dalish IQ has to renounce their faith after Temple of Mythal, but the other races don't have crisis points. I've only romanced her as a Qunari, though, so I'm not sure.

 

Yeah, this is a good summary of some of my issues. If my PC doesn't agree with everything Sera believes, she'd better keep her yap shut or else risk breaking up/losing friendship. That just seems like a very unhealthy type of relationship to have and limits our agency. Most other LIs don't require absolute agreement to continue the romance. Even Anders doesn't break up with us if we decline to help him set the explosives in the Chantry. I guess Sebastian does give his ultimatum at the end of the game, but that is a result of his mother figure being killed by Anders.

 

I have been in a relationship like that, and I can say from firsthand experience that it does suck, and it is an unhealthy relationship that becomes emotionally damaging in the long run.

 

That's part of why I have such a dim view of Sera's all-or-nothing, "you have to agree with me or we're through" attitude about everything

. I've experienced it, and it SUCKS.