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[Saikyo_McRyu]

So yeah I unlocked the Carrier and Piranha in one Arsenal Pack.

What are the odds of that happening, anyway?

[Fuenf789]

You are a very very very lucky devil.

[Arkhne]

Time for some sweet, sweet GI Piranha action?

[gothpunkboy89]

Nah I still hate the RNG.

 

It kicks new players to hard in the balls when they first start up. Had a couple of friends who were interested in the MP side stop playing it because it was pretty unfair  starting players

[Teh_Ocelot]

The Piranha is the actual win here

[Jeremiah12LGeek]

So yeah I unlocked the Carrier and Piranha in one Arsenal Pack.

What are the odds of that happening, anyway?

 

Coincidentally, I just offered a guess regarding that: 0.5625%

 

Mind you, that's only a guess as to the odds of getting two UltraRare/Black cards in one pack, not the odds of getting any two specific ultra rares. And I'm pretty sure there is more to the calculation than the simple equation that I used to come up with that number. But it's my guess, dammit, and I'm sticking with it!

[Olivia Wilde]

Coincidentally, I just offered a guess regarding that: 0.5625%

 

Mind you, that's only a guess as to the odds of getting two UltraRare/Black cards in one pack, not the odds of getting any two specific ultra rares. And I'm pretty sure there is more to the calculation than the simple equation that I used to come up with that number. But it's my guess, dammit, and I'm sticking with it!

Piranha is a regular rare

[Jeremiah12LGeek]

Piranha is a regular rare

 

 

I blame Collectors.

 

 

 

For everything.

[Terminator Force]

The Piranha is the actual win here

 

Only because level 1 Harrier is so no as cool as level 10.

[Salarian Master Race]

It kicks new players to hard in the balls

 

 

Some people pay real money for that

[Fuenf789]

...A= 0.5625%

x B=the permutation of that specfic r piranha (not any rare) dropping.
x C=the permutation of getting the harrier (not any ur) dropping.
X D=the permutation of getting them both
X your proposed probability A of the AP dropping them in a UR.


Permutations are even more unique than combinations

B.C.D.A= There are so many zero's after that decimal that very very very lucky suffice for our minds.

[Jeremiah12LGeek]

Nah I still hate the RNG.

 

It kicks new players to hard in the balls when they first start up. Had a couple of friends who were interested in the MP side stop playing it because it was pretty unfair  starting players

 

Having started over twice with new manifests, I have to say things are very frustrating RNG-wise during those early stages, especially when it comes to weapon mods and gear.

 

And the fact that the Shadow was literally the second-last character I unlocked on my PS3 manifest was a longtime source of consternation for me!

[PatrickBateman]

Nah I still hate the RNG.

It kicks new players to hard in the balls when they first start up. Had a couple of friends who were interested in the MP side stop playing it because it was pretty unfair starting players

Unfair how?

[Dalakaar]

I still hate the trollstore. But I momentarily hated it less when this happened...

[Jeremiah12LGeek]

x B=the permutation of that specfic r piranha (not any rare) dropping.
x C=the permutation of getting the harrier (not any ur) dropping.
X D=the permutation of getting them both
X your proposed probability A of the AP dropping them in a UR.


Permutations are even more unique than combinations

B.C.D.A= There are so many zero's after that decimal that very very very lucky suffice for our minds.

 

 

I just multiplied 7.5 by 7.5 while completely forgetting that Piranha is a Gold card...

[Jeremiah12LGeek]

I still hate the trollstore. But I momentarily hated it less when this happened...

 

That's what I was guessing at (though again, not with regards to any specific UR, just any two UR.)

[Darth Volus]

Liking the RNG is punishable by death in the Empire. 

[Arkhne]

Unfair how?

 

Two words. Piercing Mods.

[PatrickBateman]

Two words. Piercing Mods.

The vanilla human adept don't really need it though and there are very few armored units on bronze (are there any? Can't really remember anymore).

I started playing this long after the last DLC were released and I didn't really see it as unfair that I wasn't able to perform on the same level as other players with better weapons and equipment, new players need to spend time on bronze anyway were the better stuff isn't needed.

[SassaMFG]

I still hate the trollstore. But I momentarily hated it less when this happened...

This happened to me twice in one day. Few days after, my dog died...

 

Edit:

Coincidence... I don't think so...

[Jeremiah12LGeek]

The vanilla human adept don't really need it though and there are very few armored units on bronze (are there any? Can't really remember anymore).

I started playing this long after the last DLC were released and I didn't really see it as unfair that I wasn't able to perform on the same level as other players with better weapons and equipment, new players need to spend time on bronze anyway were the better stuff isn't needed.

 

It's been so long that I have niggling doubts, but I'm almost positive all units do appear in Bronze. From what I remember of the vanilla version, a single Banshee would show up in some of the later Waves.

 

And you are right that it isn't "unfair" in the sense that everyone has to go through it (barring the purchase of packs) but I think a more accurate word for what he meant to say would be "unfriendly."

 

The current RNG system is unfriendly to new players, in that options during the early stages are very limited. I don't think this is as important when it comes to guns (I can live without Ultra Rares no problem) but it has a very big impact in terms of mods/gear and characters.

 

If you end up having to play for 250 hours in order to unlock your favourite character/species... that can be rough on a player's motivation, especially one who is casually approaching the multiplayer.

 

Broadly, they have to balance the need to motivate microtransactions with the need to draw casual and non-paying players for the sake of the player base. If the player base is too small, then the microtransactions dry up because even the dedicated players get bored if they spend too much time waiting in lobbies.

 

I think they obviously managed to hit a balance that works the first time out (not so much the second with DAMP) since ME 3 MP has largely been regarded as a great success. But for the future, I think they'd do themselves a favour by having most of the characters available from the start, instead of a minority.

 

Over time, DLC will almost certainly expand the manifest and offer more opportunities for microtransactions, so I think it would be financially viable for them to maybe make the Level I version of uncommon gear/mods (or ME:A equivalent) available to players at the start, as well.

[Teh_Ocelot]

The vanilla human adept don't really need it though and there are very few armored units on bronze (are there any? Can't really remember anymore).

I started playing this long after the last DLC were released and I didn't really see it as unfair that I wasn't able to perform on the same level as other players with better weapons and equipment, new players need to spend time on bronze anyway were the better stuff isn't needed.

There's a Banshee in Bronze, but iirc it doesn't show up until W11 and it's suuuper gimped. Still wants to hug you though!

 

[Olivia Wilde]

I did max The Javelin and Wraith in one Spectre pack and have no real complaints about the troll store

[PatrickBateman]

It's been so long that I have niggling doubts, but I'm almost positive all units do appear in Bronze. From what I remember of the vanilla version, a single Banshee would show up in some of the later Waves.

And you are right that it isn't "unfair" in the sense that everyone has to go through it (barring the purchase of packs) but I think a more accurate word for what he meant to say would be "unfriendly."

The current RNG system is unfriendly to new players, in that options during the early stages are very limited. I don't think this is as important when it comes to guns (I can live without Ultra Rares no problem) but it has a very big impact in terms of mods/gear and characters.

If you end up having to play for 250 hours in order to unlock your favourite character/species... that can be rough on a player's motivation, especially one who is casually approaching the multiplayer.

Broadly, they have to balance the need to motivate microtransactions with the need to draw casual and non-paying players for the sake of the player base. If the player base is too small, then the microtransactions dry up because even the dedicated players get bored if they spend too much time waiting in lobbies.

I think they obviously managed to hit a balance that works the first time out (not so much the second with DAMP) since ME 3 MP has largely been regarded as a great success. But for the future, I think they'd do themselves a favour by having most of the characters available from the start, instead of a minority.

Over time, DLC will almost certainly expand the manifest and offer more opportunities for microtransactions, so I think it would be financially viable for them to maybe make the Level I version of uncommon gear/mods (or ME:A equivalent) available to players at the start, as well.

Unfriendly is a better word for it than unfair for sure

But for me it was the prospect of unlocking new things that kept me going in the beginning, I still remember how excited I was when I unlocked my first Krogan, wouldn't have been the same if everything were available from the start, but that's me.

[JRandall0308]

It's the prevalence of armor and corresponding lack of AP to the new player, that makes the game suck for a while.

 

Edited to add: you want to see what it's like, go into Gold with your favorite Common/Uncommon gun but don't take any AP at all. No piercing mods, no AP/Drill ammo. Now try to take down some Banshees, Atlases, and Primes.