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[almasy87]

OP, I totally feel you

My Lavellan is canon so everything you said about your Lavellan works for mine too, together with the fact that I accidentally slaughtered my entire clan.. So even if she wanted to go back home, she wouldn't be able to.
I try to imagine her and the result looks pretty dire. She has no love, no arm, no Inquisition, all her friends left (Dorian, Cole, Blackwall, Iron Bull, Sera, Vivienne, Varric, Cullen and Josephine). She is left with Leliana, Cassandra and Harding.. All she knew about the Dalish and her ancestors was wrong and is now pointless. So she feels out of place, once again.

My Trevelyan instead still has something left. A loving husband and dog, her Inquisition, a family, her (in my head) BFF Leliana, and while she is concerned about the future, she will not be facing it all alone..

[Shizukai]

OP, I totally feel you

My Lavellan is canon so everything you said about your Lavellan works for mine too, together with the fact that I accidentally slaughtered my entire clan.. So even if she wanted to go back home, she wouldn't be able to.
I try to imagine her and the result looks pretty dire. She has no love, no arm, no Inquisition, all her friends left (Dorian, Cole, Blackwall, Iron Bull, Sera, Vivienne, Varric, Cullen and Josephine). She is left with Leliana, Cassandra and Harding.. All she knew about the Dalish and her ancestors was wrong and is now pointless. So she feels out of place, once again.

My Trevelyan instead still has something left. A loving husband and dog, her Inquisition, a family, her (in my head) BFF Leliana, and while she is concerned about the future, she will not be facing it all alone..

 

There's a big difference in here. I really don't feel like "It's unfair!" and "I want my happy end too!" because

a happy end does not by all means define "a good story". I'm okay, the end was the authentic and logical

outcome of all my decisions. I'm not angry, I'm just feeling sad for my Inquisitor for after spending nearly a

hundred hours with her, I do feeel connected to this character. And the story.

 

Really hoping for a closure here in DA4. Not only regarding the Solas-thing.

Thanks for your post!

[Dabrikishaw]

Seems like this thread was mostly about Dalish issues, so I don't know what to say.

[Shizukai]

Seems like this thread was mostly about Dalish issues, so I don't know what to say.

 

It was about the situation of the Inquisitor at the very end of Trespasser.

And yeah, in my case it was Dalish and yeah, that was desperate.

 

Some people shared their very own experience with human or qunari or whatever Inquisitors

here, so... no, it is not about "Dalish issues", you might got that wrong.

[Dabrikishaw]

Looked pretty seeped in elf issues to me, but if I'm wrong I'm wrong and I'll admit it.

 

Going over the issues you had again, I'll agree mainly with #3 because I felt there was no reason to force players to lost all their accumulated power if they didn't want to. I felt that since the series was heading north, any power the Inquisitor had on the south could stay with them untouched by the hand of the writers "retcon for the sake of our new story" hand, along with any major choices like how free the mages were or what happened to the Templar Order.

[kal_reegar]

Your inquisitors are so "weak"... I mean, we are talking about a person that endured incredibile mental and physical pression...

he/she is the leader of the most powerful organization in the world, he/she must save the world from distruction, he/she deals - quite naturally -  with kings, god-like mages, dragons etc, kills thousand of living beings without any particular regret, faces death, abomination and pain every day...

 

Compared to him/her, people like Constantin the Great or Churchill or are little ******.

 

 

And than, because

a) his/her friends choose to live their life in other place than a cold, useless fortress on the top of a mountain (you can still go find them... travelling seems to be very fast and easy, in thedas),

b)the inquisition (which has been part of the inquisitor life for 2 years... an intense but very brief experience) has been disbanded (on your conditions... your favourite Divine can use this assets very well, better than you probably)

 

he/she feels destroyed, confused, depressed?

 

Not realistic, IMO. He/she may be a little sad, but not like that.

 

The only thing that can justify all these negative feelings is the revelation that a romanced solas is a psyco mass murderer.

[Shizukai]

 

Looked pretty seeped in elf issues to me, but if I'm wrong I'm wrong and I'll admit it.

 

Going over the issue you had again, I'll agree mainly with #3 because I felt there was no reason to force players to lost all their accumulated power if they didn't want to. I felt that since the series was heading north, any power the Inquisitor had on the south could stay with them untouched by the hand of the writers "retcon for the sake of our new story" hand, along with any major choices like how free the mages were or what happened to the Templar Order.

 

It is a storytelling issue.

In Trespasser, I got the impression that there was an urgent need to "get rid" if the Inquisitor. A bit at least.

She/he is not gone, I know, but she/he is somehow...  disarmed. Neutered.

It is okay to let a hero fall from grace. But please, not this fast. Not in such a few hours, pressed in a DLC.

 

Your inquisitors are so "weak"...

 

It may be true that some Inquisitors are knights in shiny armor, able to deal with anything.

They are made of stone, unbreakable and untouchable.

 

My Inquisitor was indeed "just a person who was at the wrong place at the wrong time".

She is and was no superior being.

If you want to call this "weak", do so. 

I call that role playing.

 

The only thing that can justify all these negative feelings is the revelation that a romanced solas is a psyco mass murderer.

 

And the loss of the arm and all the power connected.

And being a victim of politics.

And seeing everything you stand for getting diabanded (or controlled by the chantry which I have no sympathy for).

And, if Dalish, knowing that nothing you thought you know is true.

And, if you are mage, that you have to question your powers, your connection to the fade and everything in it.

And, and, and.

 

It is not about being a heartbroken fangirl.

It may be a part of why I pity my Inquisitor, yeah, pretty sure. But it is not "the only thing".

[Zafireria]

Its nice to see someone who has such a passion for the games, in the same way I do.

 

The people who romanced Solas (myself included) are probably those who got hit the hardest in this story.

Tho in my first play-through as an female mage elf who romanced Cullen, I felt, a bit strange having him leave the party (tho I didn't have much interest in him at the time) when I then went through the trespasser ending (having seen the romance part of him on youtube) I felt devastated. My character and Solas were friends, and here he stood saving my life, admitting to his plan of tearing down the veil, and all I could think was "I will save you, I will make you see reason" 

I haven't gotten to that part yet on my play-through where I am romancing him, but I dread it (see what I did there?) I want a save file where Solas in romanced so I can see the effect of that in the next game. So I sadly have to endure what everyone else has. 

 

I didn't really think of her mark as her trademark or special power. Heroes are not born, but made. Just look at DA:O, our character didn't have anything special, yet saved them all. Also Bioware resurrected Leliana in the play-through where she was dead with almost no explanation, if they do that, I am sure they can make an arm suddenly appear. 

 

I know people say that the inquisitors time is over (tho I haven't actually seen that post from Bioware) but it just doesn't make sense to have someone that involved in the story, making them promise to either "redeem" or "kill him" and then leave that promise to a new character o.O Nor does that end cutscene make sense if they are just going to make a new hero, tho they did mention "Finding someone Solas doesn't know" but then I will point out my above point about the promise. 

 

I get the feeling we get a new hero as we always do. And that character will deal with Solas. It just doesn't make sense to do it that way in the terms if the story. Why give our inquisitor the option to "redeem" or "kill" if our characters won't be playable? I suppose it could have been for role-playing purpose but still. Ugh. 

I guess this could be Bioware's attempt at making an unhappy ending you can't change. Which I REALLY hope is not the case, but yeah.

 

Solas story has left me rather upset, and with a lot of questions unanswered. I just really hope we get the option to save him. I am even willing to let a new character be the one doing it, if I can just... save him. 

 

 

[Gervaise]

What is weird is that if you keep the Inquisition going as a token peace keeping force, then every dialogue option has you saying your adventuring days are over, whereas if you disband then the opposite is true and it is implied that whilst the Inquisition is gone, you are going to fight on.    Don't know what to think about that.    Certainly taking the aggressive disband option is very much that of a defiant Inquisitor who has no intention of giving up.     Which of course is borne out at the end when you see them planning their next move.    That is the attitude of my male Lavellan and I want him to play a role in the next game because there is no way he would accept defeat or allow himself to be side lined in the quest to find Solas.   He wants to save the world from Solas and he has a very personal issue with Solas as well. He respected him as a friend and that friend betrayed him. Like a true Dalish he will never submit to the fate Solas has predicted for him.

 

It depends on how you role play it but I definitely do feel that my Solas romance is broken at the end.   I have her putting the Inquisition into the hands of Divine Cassandra because she wants to give up the responsibility and go back to her clan.  She is heartbroken by Solas and defeated by the attitude of the Exalted Council.   So saying her adventuring days are over is appropriate.    I'm not sure how I would play it if they did bring her back in the next game.  I suppose if someone said they had found Solas again then she might rouse herself because she'd want to try another shot at changing his mind.  

[Zafireria]

What is weird is that if you keep the Inquisition going as a token peace keeping force, then every dialogue option has you saying your adventuring days are over, whereas if you disband then the opposite is true and it is implied that whilst the Inquisition is gone, you are going to fight on.    Don't know what to think about that.    Certainly taking the aggressive disband option is very much that of a defiant Inquisitor who has no intention of giving up.     Which of course is borne out at the end when you see them planning their next move.    That is the attitude of my male Lavellan and I want him to play a role in the next game because there is no way he would accept defeat.   He wants to save the world from Solas and he has a very personal issue with Solas as well. He respected him as a friend and that friend betrayed him. Like a true Dalish he will never submit to the fate Solas has predicted for him.

 

It depends on how you role play it but I definitely do feel that my Solas romance is broken at the end.   I have her putting the Inquisition into the hands of Divine Cassandra because she wants to give up the responsibility and go back to her clan.  She is heartbroken by Solas and defeated by the attitude of the Exalted Council.   So saying her adventuring days are over is appropriate.    I'm not sure how I would play it if they did bring her back in the next game.   

I believe it all depends on in which way you played throughout the game. Some endings would fit the "retirement" while other's would not. Even tho some didn't romance Solas, they might still want to save him or go on a vengeance and kill him. And I think we should have the option to do so, sadly it seems to go against's bioware's "new character per game" 

[kal_reegar]

 

 

It may be true that some Inquisitors are knights in shiny armor, able to deal with anything.

They are made of stone, unbreakable and untouchable.

 

My Inquisitor was indeed "just a person who was at the wrong place at the wrong time".

She is and was no superior being.

If you want to call this "weak", do so. 

I call that role playing.

 

yes, and i call that legit but unrealistic role playing.

 

Historically, nobody with a weak character has ever been "the saviour of the world (his world)". For good reasons.

It's very hard to imagine an insecure and iper sensitive person successfully leading his people against unthinkable odds, difficulties and sacrifices.

 

I don't say that all great leaders need to be emotionless and as strong as steel... but IMO they cant' either realistically be psychologically destroyed simply because

a) their company has been incorporated in to a bigger (friendly, if Leliana is Divine) company, or has been reorganized

their friends have moved into another city

c) they have to reflect and riconsider their beliefs about Reality (which was already veeery ambiguous and messed up... )

d) they lost the arm which was killing them (btw, you were lucky enough to survive at the conclave and "steel" the anchor... you should rejoice for eternity, not cry because you lost - only - your cursed arm...)

[Shizukai]

 

Its nice to see someone who has such a passion for the games, in the same way I do.

 

Thanks, I appreciate the discussion(s) in here and I'm glad this community exists.

 

(...)

I didn't really think of her mark as her trademark or special power. Heroes are not born, but made. Just look at DA:O, our character didn't have anything special, yet saved them all. Also Bioware resurrected Leliana in the play-through where she was dead with almost no explanation, if they do that, I am sure they can make an arm suddenly appear. 

 

(...)

Solas story has left me rather upset, and with a lot of questions unanswered. I just really hope we get the option to save him. I am even willing to let a new character be the one doing it, if I can just... save him. 

 

 

You are absolutely right on this, but still I do believe that without the mark the role of our "Inquisitor" would have been

a different one from the very beginning.. The mark granted us the ability to deal with the breach. In doing so, the Inquisition got

a lot of loyalists and followers which were very important. Also, the Inquisition became a trusted force. Because of the

mark it was "easy" for the Inquisitor to gain more and more (personal and political) power.

 

And yeah, I feel you regarding the Solas-thing.

I want the Inquisitor (friend, foe or lover of Solas) in DA4 - a supportive role like a mentor or a counselor is fine. The

story concerning Solas and the Inquisitor is everything but over. A closure is needed.

 

 

yes, and i call that legit but unrealistic role playing.

 

I see your point and I get your arguments which are neither wrong nor poorly researched.

 

But calling out my playstyle as "unrealistic" role playing just because YOU are not content with MY interpretation

of MY very own characters.... doesn't make any sense to me. Sorry. People are different and so are my characters

(and yours). I have to admit that even though I don't feel offended, I don't think that your approach in here is helping

to create a good basis for discussion.

[Gervaise]

I don't think it is unrealistic role playing if someone plays an Inquisitor as a person who ultimately is broken by the cumulative effects of what they have been through.    Different people have different breaking points and that has nothing to do with their previous ability to save the world.   Nor does that make them a weak character.    That would suggest that every person who has ever had a mental break down is weak.   They are not.     

 

You originally got into the position of potentially saving the world because you were the only one with the means of doing so, by closing the Breach, and also had the backing of a very efficient team.    The Inquisitor didn't necessarily ask for the title of Herald and may have been a bit overwhelmed by being offered the job of Inquisitor but they just go on with it.  In the case of my Solas romance she did regard him as a mentor and guide and the lover bit only came later.   She grew into the role of leader with his help (and the help of others).    One of the things that I felt was so bad about his timing over breaking off the relationship was that he did so prior to defeating Corypheus, which was unsettling the way he did it as there really was no explanation of why.    However, she accepted that perhaps he felt their romance was a distraction from the job at hand and he wanted her to focus on that.   Also when she had asked for more information, he had promised that all would be revealed once Cory was gone (or at least that was the impression he gave her).     So long as Cory was there to be stopped, she could be strong.   But then Cory was gone and Solas was too, without the promised explanation and it hit her for six.

 

Whilst I generally play JoH and the Descent after the main game because it seems a good way of explaining how the Inquisitor filled their time in the intervening years, actually I believe the writers assume that chronologically they occur before his defeat.    In any case, even if they did not, after dealing with them, we are given to understand that much of the rest of the time has simply been mopping up stray demons and rifts and paperwork.     Not very taxing on her mental abilities and thus giving her plenty of time to brood and gradually sink into depression.     Then come the events in Trespasser.     Apart from stopping the Qunari plot, most of it just seems a series of reversals.    After all the good she has done with this organisation, rulers no longer want it.    Even Josephine turns on her.    Then Solas, the man who had been her guiding light, reveals just what his agenda has been all along and she is devastated by it.   

 

So I can perfectly understand Shizukai feels the way she does and it is perfectly legitimate role playing for her heroine to react in that way.    It is not unrealistic she should feel that way or make her a weak character.

[kal_reegar]

Let's put it this way.

 

You can be a TRUE inquisitor (leader, organizer, strategist), in other words the builder of the inquistion, his hearth, hand and mind. To do so, IMO, your character needs to be a strong man/woman, able to handle pressure and emotions.

Historic parallelism: Aurelian, or Diocletian

This sort of inquisitor can be a little disappointed after traspasser, but not broken and shattered. 

 

You can be a "NOMINAL" inquisitor (a normal people with the Anchor, doing what must be done and leaving the rest to his advisors/companions)... in this case you can realistically be as cry-baby (no offense) as you want, are simply a powerful tool that Cassandra, Leliana and Solas are using as they see fit.

Historic parallelism: Jeanne D'Arc.

You shouldn't be sad about the end of the Inquisition. It was never yours. You had nothing before, you had nothing now. Simply, the illusion is gone.

 

 

I'm not saying that your interpretation is wrong.

I'm simply saying that

a) I don't think that after trespasser there is necessarly "nothing left". Trespasser can be a good ending, for some sorts of inquisitor.

Feeling so sad and shattered after traspasseris is, IMO, a little unrealistic (provided you haven't romanced solas)... let's say a little too headcanon.

[Zafireria]

You are absolutely right on this, but still I do believe that without the mark the role of our "Inquisitor" would have been
a different one from the very beginning.. The mark granted us the ability to deal with the breach. In doing so, the Inquisition got
a lot of loyalists and followers which were very important. Also, the Inquisition became a trusted force. Because of the
mark it was "easy" for the Inquisitor to gain more and more (personal and political) power.

Oh I agree 100% the mark changed her/him in such a way that they could become a hero. But a mark isn't always needed to do so, but in this case it was thanks to the mark that they were able to do what they did. I just don't think it would change the character now the mark is gone, you are still a hero and you have changed enough to remain one.
 

And yeah, I feel you regarding the Solas-thing.
I want the Inquisitor (friend, foe or lover of Solas) in DA4 - a supportive role like a mentor or a counselor is fine. The
story concerning Solas and the Inquisitor is everything but over. A closure is needed.

Same, but I want you to be able to control the dialogue the inquisitor is going use when dealing with Solas no matter their role in this. I couldn't stand watching my elf (who is romanced to him) say something I wouldn't like or worse start attacking him or some other action. I'll like to control that part, else I don't mind a new hero (tho I still prefer the inquisitor) if that is the price I need to pay in order for me to decide his fate through my inquisitor, then so be it.

I would still love the inquisitor to be the play-able character who has gotten a new arm and is now searching for Solas, and in the main-time meeting new companions, exploring new areas, and uncover Solas's past. But I am afraid that is wishful thinking, but one can hope right?

[Zafireria]

I'm not saying that your interpretation is wrong.

I'm simply saying that

a) I don't think that after trespasser there is necessarly "nothing left". Trespasser can be a good ending, for some sorts of inquisitor.

Feeling so sad and shattered after traspasseris is, IMO, a little unrealistic (provided you haven't romanced solas)... let's say a little too headcanon.

 

Hmm, makes me wonder if Bioware meant Inquisitor as in the character or the role. If they meant the role then everything almost just became possible. 

[Shizukai]

 

I don't think it is unrealistic role playing if someone plays an Inquisitor as a person who ultimately is broken by the cumulative effects of what they have been through.    Different people have different breaking points and that has nothing to do with their previous ability to save the world.   Nor does that make them a weak character.    That would suggest that every person who has ever had a mental break down is weak.   They are not.     

 

You originally got into the position of potentially saving the world because you were the only one with the means of doing so, by closing the Breach, and also had the backing of a very efficient team.    The Inquisitor didn't necessarily ask for the title of Herald and may have been a bit overwhelmed by being offered the job of Inquisitor but they just go on with it.  In the case of my Solas romance she did regard him as a mentor and guide and the lover bit only came later.   She grew into the role of leader with his help (and the help of others).    One of the things that I felt was so bad about his timing over breaking off the relationship was that he did so prior to defeating Corypheus, which was unsettling the way he did it as there really was no explanation of why.    However, she accepted that perhaps he felt their romance was a distraction from the job at hand and he wanted her to focus on that.   Also when she had asked for more information, he had promised that all would be revealed once Cory was gone (or at least that was the impression he gave her).     So long as Cory was there to be stopped, she could be strong.   But then Cory was gone and Solas was too, without the promised explanation and it hit her for six.

 

Whilst I generally play JoH and the Descent after the main game because it seems a good way of explaining how the Inquisitor filled their time in the intervening years, actually I believe the writers assume that chronologically they occur before his defeat.    In any case, even if they did not, after dealing with them, we are given to understand that much of the rest of the time has simply been mopping up stray demons and rifts and paperwork.     Not very taxing on her mental abilities and thus giving her plenty of time to brood and gradually sink into depression.     Then come the events in Trespasser.     Apart from stopping the Qunari plot, most of it just seems a series of reversals.    After all the good she has done with this organisation, rulers no longer want it.    Even Josephine turns on her.    Then Solas, the man who had been her guiding light, reveals just what his agenda has been all along and she is devastated by it.   

 

So I can perfectly understand Shizukai feels the way she does and it is perfectly legitimate role playing for her heroine to react in that way.    It is not unrealistic she should feel that way or make her a weak character.

 

Thank you for outlining what my character (or a similar one) has been through and for explaining which

feelings and which problems are connected. With your post you give a comprehensible view on what is

possibly happening in the mind of an Inquisitor during the playthrough.

 

One mind is not functioning like another does. What is bearable for the one is devastating for another.

I got some great answers in this thread, showing that even non-elven Inquisitors without Solas-romance

felt somehow violated at the very end. And that is okay.

 

Different characters are like different (real life) persons for me. I did not say that the end is depressing

for everyone for I strongly believe that another kind of Inquisitor would be fine with putting the Inquisition

under the chantry's control. Or with letting it go in order to get the very own freedom back. But in the

scenario I experienced with the character I created and I have an idea of... it just didn't felt like this.

 

With another character this would be a different story. It will be for I'm going to try out different ways

of going through DAI (hopefully).

 

 

Oh I agree 100% the mark changed her/him in such a way that they could become a hero. But a mark isn't always needed to do so, but in this case it was thanks to the mark that they were able to do what they did. I just don't think it would change the character now the mark is gone, you are still a hero and you have changed enough to remain one.

Same, but I want you to be able to control the dialogue the inquisitor is going use when dealing with Solas no matter their role in this. I couldn't stand watching my elf (who is romanced to him) say something I wouldn't like or worse start attacking him or some other action. I'll like to control that part, else I don't mind a new hero (tho I still prefer the inquisitor) if that is the price I need to pay in order for me to decide his fate through my inquisitor, then so be it.

I would still love the inquisitor to be the play-able character who has gotten a new arm and is now searching for Solas, and in the main-time meeting new companions, exploring new areas, and uncover Solas's past. But I am afraid that is wishful thinking, but one can hope right? 

 

 

Ah I see. You are right about this, I feel the same.

The Inquisitor will not be forgotton for what he or she did even though the mark is gone. Being a hero and doing

the "right" thing is in your mind and your heart, no necessarily in yout hand(s).

 

Yeah, it feels sad to let the Inquisitor go for the story clearly isn't over. I want to deal with Solas myself too and

what you say about having control.. yeah. My Inquisitor as an NPC is going to hurt. It was the same with Hawke, 

even though I never got a strong connection with my first Hawke.

 

I really want the last decision we made in Trespasser be relevant in DA4. 

Totally right! There is always hope

 

 

Let's put it this way.

 

You can be a TRUE inquisitor (leader, organizer, strategist), in other words the builder of the inquistion, his hearth, hand and mind. To do so, IMO, your character needs to be a strong man/woman, able to handle pressure and emotions.

Historic parallelism: Aurelian, or Diocletian

This sort of inquisitor can be a little disappointed after traspasser, but not broken and shattered. 

 

You can be a "NOMINAL" inquisitor (a normal people with the Anchor, doing what must be done and leaving the rest to his advisors/companions)... in this case you can realistically be as cry-baby (no offense) as you want, are simply a powerful tool that Cassandra, Leliana and Solas are using as they see fit.

Historic parallelism: Jeanne D'Arc.

You shouldn't be sad about the end of the Inquisition. It was never yours. You had nothing before, you had nothing now. Simply, the illusion is gone.

 

 

I'm not saying that your interpretation is wrong.

I'm simply saying that

a) I don't think that after trespasser there is necessarly "nothing left". Trespasser can be a good ending, for some sorts of inquisitor.

 Feeling so sad and shattered after traspasseris is, IMO, a little unrealistic (provided you haven't romanced solas)... let's say a little too headcanon.

 

 

If this category-system is working for you, it's great for it seems like it is helping you to define the

way you (and other players) interpret the mind and the behaviour of their very own Inquisitor. In my

opinion, having only two categories is simplifying the variety of a human (or close-to-human) mind.

 

I'm repeating myself, but only because you can not imagine that a being could break after loosing nearly

everything... does not mean it is not likely to happen.

 

[Gervaise]

Thought I would just come back with a few examples of inspirational leaders who suffered from severe depression:

 

Abraham Lincoln - apparently suffered two major breakdowns at the age of 26 and 32 and at times considered suicide, before going on to be president of the USA.  Used to like cracking jokes to help him through bad episodes.

 

William Sherman - became so pessimistic in the early part of the Civil War that he asked to be relieved of his command and was declared unfit for duty.   With the encouragement and help of relatives he was able to return to service and became the Union hero of the battle of Shiloh.

 

Winston Churchill - suffered from manic depression and thoughts of suicide but became the inspirational war leader of the UK.   Also used to use humour to help him through bad episodes.     It has been suggested by psychologists that it was his mental state that made him such a good leader in time of crisis, whereas the "sane" Neville Chamberlain was hopeless at dealing with it.    By contrast, when things returned to normal, Churchill did not make a particularly effective peace time leader.

 

Which sort of fits with my Solas romance being able to cope during crisis of Corypheus and then again the Qunari plot but when things settled down again, plunging into depression, particularly when her reunion with Solas left her feeling so helpless.    It doesn't help he keeps haunting her dreams.    However, Dorian's crystal has proven very useful as he keeps in contact and has been using humour  to lift her mood.    (Which was part of my head canon before I even read about the above people).   Once she has some concrete leads on Solas, she will probably bounce back.

[Bizantura]

I find Solas quite intriging especially near the end of the game in trespasser.  I especially created an elf to romance him although I ended the game a few times with other protagonists.

 

On the other hand I don't experience the ending as much as sad or depressing in relation to my romance with him.  Maybe I am  not that binding as a dalish because for me my compagnions are just that compagnions with a mutual temporary binding reason.  I also disolved the inquisition, never had any other intention after defeating  the treat.

 

If the next game allows it I would very much like to meet Solas again and persuade to resume my romance with him.  As a dalish I care more for other dalish clans and nature and to a lesser extend all the rest of the races.  I however am not aiming for destuction off any race if possible but my race would be primary what so ever choises allowed.

[almasy87]

Not everyone can be strong as steel. Specially after withstanding so much.

In my case.. My Lavellan loved her clan. She obeyed her Keeper's order to go spy on the Conclave, and after that everything went down for her.
Imagine she was just a simple person, and then out of nowhere because of some crazy wacko she ends up with a mark on your hand. She has no idea what is going on. The Inquisition "captures her" and in a short amount of time she is taken away from her clan, she cannot simply leave and go back anymore because of what she has become (when I talk with Josephine I always pick the answer "I'd go now if I could"). 
My Lavellan is not extremely strong, but she tries to do her best because she is supported by a lot of people - her advisors, new friends who inspire her, etc. 
She is devasted when her clan is exterminated, because of her bad decision really. But it is thanks to the friends around her that she keeps going on, hoping that perhaps she can find in the Inquisition a new home. And she has a special someone she cares about. So not everything is lost.

Except that everything is, at the end.. The special someone leaves her and is revealed to be something she can't even fully start to comprehend. All her friends also leave. She is treated like sh*t by Ferelden and Orlais after she put up with so much and gave so much trying to do what was good when she didn't even want to be there in the first place. She is forced to either disband the Inquisition or become the Chantry's slave, so she picks the first option. Now her "new home" is gone. Oh and she has no arm.

No arm, no family, no love, no friends around to cheer her up (except Divine Cassandra - which probably she will barely be able to meet once in a while, Leliana and Harding).
So I agree, my Lavellan isn't bouncing out of happiness at the end. But that is the way I role play her.
Everyone can roleplay as they want Not everyone wants to be the super strong hero who never budges at anything

[Zafireria]

Not everyone can be strong as steel. Specially after withstanding so much.

In my case.. My Lavellan loved her clan. She obeyed her Keeper's order to go spy on the Conclave, and after that everything went down for her.
Imagine she was just a simple person, and then out of nowhere because of some crazy wacko she ends up with a mark on your hand. She has no idea what is going on. The Inquisition "captures her" and in a short amount of time she is taken away from her clan, she cannot simply leave and go back anymore because of what she has become (when I talk with Josephine I always pick the answer "I'd go now if I could"). 
My Lavellan is not extremely strong, but she tries to do her best because she is supported by a lot of people - her advisors, new friends who inspire her, etc. 
She is devasted when her clan is exterminated, because of her bad decision really. But it is thanks to the friends around her that she keeps going on, hoping that perhaps she can find in the Inquisition a new home. And she has a special someone she cares about. So not everything is lost.

Except that everything is, at the end.. The special someone leaves her and is revealed to be something she can't even fully start to comprehend. All her friends also leave. She is treated like sh*t by Ferelden and Orlais after she put up with so much and gave so much trying to do what was good when she didn't even want to be there in the first place. She is forced to either disband the Inquisition or become the Chantry's slave, so she picks the first option. Now her "new home" is gone. Oh and she has no arm.

No arm, no family, no love, no friends around to cheer her up (except Divine Cassandra - which probably she will barely be able to meet once in a while, Leliana and Harding).
So I agree, my Lavellan isn't bouncing out of happiness at the end. But that is the way I role play her.
Everyone can roleplay as they want Not everyone wants to be the super strong hero who never budges at anything

 

I am guessing your profile picture is this elf you speak off

 

I got 2 play-through, one where my elf married Cullen but is sad about the fate of Solas and has promised to redeem him. She doesn't really care much of what she is, she knows she is an elf but she more focus on other things rather than her race. She always tries to make the right decisions for people and not herself, tho she is not one who allows to be used or stepped on and she tends to be funny at times. She rarely gets angry XD I think the only angry option she has ever taken was the angry inquisition disband, it just got too much in the end, with everyone having an issue with her being an elf and a mage and married a commander and being a leader and now Solas needs to be saved as well. She drew the line there, which I felt was just something she would do. 

 

The other play-trough I haven't finished yet, but here I got an elf rogue who is romancing Solas. She is quite different than the above one. She knows she is an elf and respects her clan and her people, she wouldn't mind going back but she feels out of place. She does everything she can to help people and can be a bit harsh sometimes towards people, but not mean or anything, she just doesn't like people judging others for what they are instead of who they are (the top one feels the same but she takes a different approached to the problem) 

 

Haven't made it further then that, but I know already there that she will be keeping the inquisition, too much work into it. I suppose she is the one who will get a bit sadder ending than the other since her love left her. But she - like the other elf - is determined to find Solas. So in my case, I don't think they get that bad of an ending. Reading yours was just sad lol. Kind of nice seeing how other people decides to play their characters

[almasy87]

Haha yeah. I play my Lavellan as a rather peaceful and submissive little lamb She is never angry and always tries to be nice and accomodate every one.
And I play my Trevelyan as the opposite - someone who knows what she wants and how to obtain it, that will lose temper if things don't go her way (for instance she shouted at Leliana when it was revealed we had spies in the Inquisition). She isn't bad, just self confident, even in the way she flirts with her hubby Cullen
Lavellan is more spiritual (rift mage) while Trevelyan is a badass assassin 
So for my Trev, who uses the angry "keep the Inquisition" option, the end is not that bad.
But my Lav is devastated XD

[Zafireria]

Haha yeah. I play my Lavellan as a rather peaceful and submissive little lamb She is never angry and always tries to be nice and accomodate every one.
And I play my Trevelyan as the opposite - someone who knows what she wants and how to obtain it, that will lose temper if things don't go her way (for instance she shouted at Leliana when it was revealed we had spies in the Inquisition). She isn't bad, just self confident, even in the way she flirts with her hubby Cullen
Lavellan is more spiritual (rift mage) while Trevelyan is a badass rogue
So for my Trev, who uses the angry "keep the Inquisition" option, the end is not that bad.
But my Lav is devastated XD

 

Different but somehow alike I forgot to give my mage a specialization but my rouge is a tempest. 

 

Hopefully Bioware gives us the option to continue our story with Solas ^^

[Violetbliss]

Well, to touch on the mental strength/will of the Inquisitor - I don't think there is a requirement as such, since the Inquisition is not just the Inquisitor but also the others in the close council, to an extent... just, you can't replace the Inquisitor due to the mark. That's what she is needed for most of all, and if she is not up to snuff dealing with other aspects, there are talents to fill in. So I don't think it's unrealistic to RP an Inquisitor that isn't really general material or a socializing genius, just to use examples. Her mark ability makes her a necessity.

 

If - once done with the rifts - people question her, well that sort of plays into the Trespasser arc quite neatly, doesn't it?

[kal_reegar]

 

If this category-system is working for you, it's great for it seems like it is helping you to define the

way you (and other players) interpret the mind and the behaviour of their very own Inquisitor. In my

opinion, having only two categories is simplifying the variety of a human (or close-to-human) mind.

 

I'm repeating myself, but only because you can not imagine that a being could break after loosing nearly

everything... does not mean it is not likely to happen.

 

This is not a category-system classification, it is simply the two extremes. There are infinite variations and possibilities in the middle.

 

The game doesn't allow you to loose everything.

The inquisition is not (can' be) "everything" - especially if you are a weak, confused and with zero-ambitions inquisitor -.

 

 

 

Abraham Lincoln - apparently suffered two major breakdowns at the age of 26 and 32 and at times considered suicide, before going on to be president of the USA.  Used to like cracking jokes to help him through bad episodes.

 

William Sherman - became so pessimistic in the early part of the Civil War that he asked to be relieved of his command and was declared unfit for duty.   With the encouragement and help of relatives he was able to return to service and became the Union hero of the battle of Shiloh.

 

Winston Churchill - suffered from manic depression and thoughts of suicide but became the inspirational war leader of the UK.   Also used to use humour to help him through bad episodes.     It has been suggested by psychologists that it was his mental state that made him such a good leader in time of crisis, whereas the "sane" Neville Chamberlain was hopeless at dealing with it.    By contrast, when things returned to normal, Churchill did not make a particularly effective peace time leader.

 

 

I've never said that a leader cannot suffer of depression, of feel lost and consider suicide etc.

I've said that a leader cannot suffer of depression etc for something so trivial and insignificant like:

a) your beloved friends are moving elsewhere (you can still go visiting them...)

"your" beloved inquisition has been trasformed in something more effective and "flexible", or given to it's rightful owner (after all, it was found by the right and left hand of the divine, fullfilling divine justina will) . It's still there, even if a little changed.

 

You are no longer inquisitor, true... but this can be a hard blow only for an extremely ambitious (like churchill) leader. But this isn't the case of your Lavellan.

The destruction of your clan has nothing to do with Trespasser.

 

IMO only thing that can explain such a deep sadness is the lost/betrayal of your beloved solas.