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[Zeiseus]

I see people talking about Tyrddra being Andraste, but not Flemeth, so i have no idea if it's been stated before. What i took by reading through the Saga http://dragonage.wik...e,_Avvar-Mother

Is one of 3 possibilities.

 

1: Tyrdda is Flemeth, leaf-eared lover is Mythal.

 

2: Tyrdda is still Flemeth, but the lover is Solas.

 

3: Tyrdda is Andraste AND flemeth, lover is Mythal.

 

Or, none of the above, but hey.

Just curious what all of you think here, reading through the entire Saga, i'm pretty sure it's one of those. (The reason i'm so confident it's flemeth is because of what she named her daughter...MY LOGIC IS UNDENIABLE!)

 

And if you listen to some of Flemeth's stories in Origins, they seem to coincide with Tyrrda's own tale. Keep in mind i said 'original' flemeth, as in the first one to be the vessel of Mythal, since the human bodies are all mortal, they all eventually wither, and Mythal needs to be passed along to the next daughter. Like the well of sorrows, it also collects the knowledge of all previous 'flemeths' or just vessels to the new host for Mythal. So Flemeth herself wasn't Mythal, but he so-many-greats-grandmother could have been, and Mythal has been passed down from Tyrdda.

 

Also, if you read the 'Children of Andraste' it tells you that all the descendants of Andraste are all female, potential coincidence, but maybe not. Morrigan was half-right about what Flemeth intended for her, but she mistook it was a curse when it was really no more a curse than the Well of Sorrows had been, it was her inheritance, which is why Flemeth passes it all along to her in the Epilogue (when she's putting the blue light through the Eluvian) according to a tweet from one of the writers that said Flemeth allowed Solas to take her power but only on the condition that she could pass her godhood and knowledge down to Morrigan.

[Serza]

Huh. Can't be 2. Pride awoke after millenia of slumber. Tyrrda Bright-Ax is a bit newer than a few millenia.

[Illegitimus]

Yeah.  No.  If Flemeth was Tyrrda she'd have more of an interest in the Avvar.  Also I don't think Solas would ever be described as the laughing lady of the sky.  

[Ieldra]

I see no reason to believe that Tyrdda isn't her own person. The lover was probably Mythal, since she was elven and Flemeth is not.

[Zeiseus]

Yeah.  No.  If Flemeth was Tyrrda she'd have more of an interest in the Avvar.  Also I don't think Solas would ever be described as the laughing lady of the sky.  

She doesn't have much interest in elves either, she really doesn't seem concerned with any 1 race or peoples. And if you listen to some of her stories in Origins, they seem to coincide with Tyrrda's own tale. Keep in mind i said 'original' flemeth, as in the first one to be the vessel of Mythal, since the human bodies are all mortal, they all eventually wither, and Mythal needs to be passed along to the next daughter. Like the well of sorrows, it also collects the knowledge of all previous 'flemeths' or just vessels to the new host for Mythal. So Flemeth herself wasn't Mythal, but he so-many-greats-grandmother could have been, and Mythal has been passed down from Tyrdda.

 

Also, if you read the 'Children of Andraste' it tells you that all the descendants of Andraste are all female, potential coincidence, but maybe not. Morrigan was half-right about what Flemeth intended for her, but she mistook it was a curse when it was really no more a curse than the Well of Sorrows had been, it was her inheritance, which is why Flemeth passes it all along to her in the Epilogue (when she's putting the blue light through the Eluvian) according to a tweet from one of the writers that said Flemeth allowed Solas to take her power but only on the condition that she could pass her godhood and knowledge down to Morrigan.

 

edit: adding this to the original post, i realize now i didn't really present anything to support my theory.

[Gervaise]

The leaf eared lover is the Lady of the Skies - an Avaar goddess.    So there is some sort of elven connection to the Avaar and it could be that was an earlier incarnation of Mythal (since I'm pretty sure that Flemeth comes much later).

 

As for the name of the descendant called Morrighan'nan, that name is part of another legend of both the Alamarri and the Avaar and is told to the Warden by an Ash Warrior at Ostagar.   Luthias Dwarfson was an Alamarri who was sent by his clan leader to forge an alliance with the dwarves and fell in love with the dwarf king's daughter, Scaea.    However, he later has an encounter with the leader of the Avaar, Morrighan'nan.   She seduces him but he refuses her offer of marriage and war ensues between the two tribes as a result.    Many years later he is challenged by a warrior of the Avaar to single combat and he kills him, only to be told by Morrighan'nan that the warrior was his son and his is a kin slayer.    All this occurs around -350 Ancient, so Tyrddra Brightaxe would be the ancestor of Morrighan'nan and thus must have lived prior to that date.

 

Flemeth may have given Morrigan the name she did because of the earlier strong woman who had been a seducer of men but never controlled by them.   Or if the leaf eared lover was Mythal, then perhaps the name had some significance to her.  

[Zeiseus]

The leaf eared lover is the Lady of the Skies - an Avaar goddess.    So there is some sort of elven connection to the Avaar and it could be that was an earlier incarnation of Mythal (since I'm pretty sure that Flemeth comes much later).

 

As for the name of the descendant called Morrighan'nan, that name is part of another legend of both the Alamarri and the Avaar and is told to the Warden by an Ash Warrior at Ostagar.   Luthias Dwarfson was an Alamarri who was sent by his clan leader to forge an alliance with the dwarves and fell in love with the dwarf king's daughter, Scaea.    However, he later has an encounter with the leader of the Avaar, Morrighan'nan.   She seduces him but he refuses her offer of marriage and war ensues between the two tribes as a result.    Many years later he is challenged by a warrior of the Avaar to single combat and he kills him, only to be told by Morrighan'nan that the warrior was his son and his is a kin slayer.    All this occurs around -350 Ancient, so Tyrddra Brightaxe would be the ancestor of Morrighan'nan and thus must have lived prior to that date.

 

Flemeth may have given Morrigan the name she did because of the earlier strong woman who had been a seducer of men but never controlled by them.   Or if the leaf eared lover was Mythal, then perhaps the name had some significance to her.  

Bioware kind of has a boner for history tying into the modern characters, i feel like they wouldn't make the stories so insanely similar 'just cuz'

[leaguer of one]

No if anything it was the elven lover.

[Shizukai]

Also I don't think Solas would ever be described as the laughing lady of the sky.  

 

 

Why not?

This is by far the best description of his whole being I ever read.

[leaguer of one]

Why not?
This is by far the best description of his whole being I ever read.

because he has no taco. Only a borreto.