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[sortiv]

I know where you're coming from, but for me that just ruins a perfectly good villain run. There can be irredeemable people in a story. Not every monster is secretly a Darth Vader/Jesus unholy hybrid thing... not that I'm focusing on any wolf in particular or anything. Ahem.

 

I can see that. It's not my only way of thinking of Hawke, just the angle I took for my most recent DA2/DA:I playthrough. Another way to do it is to secure Hawke's victory by playing a mage Inquisitor who sides with the mages and supports mage freedom/disbanding the templars and/or reforming or removing the chantry. And in this case Hawke would live. 

 

That's the beauty of DA, there's so many different ways to approach it. 

[AnimalBoy]

If Hawke is a mage that means Bethany dies. That is 100%, absolutely unacceptable. Hawke is a warrior.

[AshenSugar]

I've tried both rogue and warrior, but I come back to mage every single time, and each new playthrough is always a mage. Hard to picture Hawke as anything else, the plot just works so much better when the PC is playing from a mage perspective.

 

It does mean I have to suffer the unpleasantness of Beth's railroaded death every single time, but I've long-since grown used to it, and learned to live with it... as I've learned to live with all of DA2's little foibles.

[GoldenGail3]

If Hawke is a mage that means Bethany dies. That is 100%, absolutely unacceptable. Hawke is a warrior.

I'm fine with Bethany's death... She wasn't very interesting in my opinion.

[AnimalBoy]

I'm fine with Bethany's death... She wasn't very interesting in my opinion.

 

 

In my opinion she's closer to Hawke then Carver is and I play my Hawke the same way i would act in real life if i had a little sister. As an older brother who would do anything to protect his little sister. I'd never want to be in a real life situation like that but i would think that if i had a brother and a siter and had to choose between the two that i'd save my sister every time.

[GoldenGail3]

In my opinion she's closer to Hawke then Carver is and I play my Hawke the same way i would act in real life if i had a little sister. As an older brother who would do anything to protect his little sister. I'd never want to be in a real life situation like that but i would think that if i had a brother and a siter and had to choose between the two that i'd save my sister every time.

 

I play as a younger sister to a brother, so i suppose i understand Carver. 

[luna1124]

MAGES RULE!!!  LOL But, I didn't really like DA2 that much to play it a second time thru....  but my first play-thru was a female mage.

[GoldenGail3]

MAGES RULE!!!  LOL But, I didn't really like DA2 that much to play it a second time thru....  but my first play-thru was a female mage.

My second playthrough was a Male Mage Hawke.

[themikefest]

I like playing as a mage. All my playthroughs, as a mage, have supported Meredith

[AnimalBoy]

Ugh.

[GoldenGail3]

MAGES RULE!!!  LOL But, I didn't really like DA2 that much to play it a second time thru....  but my first play-thru was a female mage.

 

I played it twice; the first was for when i made unintentional bad choices (since was my first time and i was gonna to explore DA2) the Second was my canon; Queen Cousland/Alistair and my favorite Male Snarky Hawke/Rivlamanced Isabela; He was a Mage supporter. And yeah, i know, I always play games twice to see what things i can do. Yeah, i may have not liked DA2 that much;but i 'd like to think as the time my faith in Bioware was shaken, then in DAI it sort of killed itself.    I mean, really killed itself. Now i'm probably leaving to go to Besthuda, who i do have a great deal of faith in to make a good Elder Scrolls game. 

[AshenSugar]

Aye.

 

Tried some other classes, but all feel wrong. Mage Hawke is the 'true' Hawke as far as I'm concerned.

 

I seem to like female Hawkes too. Was uncertain why this was, until I worked out that I found the male Hawke's voice rather annoying, bumbling and pompous, whereas Fem Hawke sounds confident, witty and smart.

[springacres]

Aye.

 

Tried some other classes, but all feel wrong. Mage Hawke is the 'true' Hawke as far as I'm concerned.

 

I seem to like female Hawkes too. Was uncertain why this was, until I worked out that I found the male Hawke's voice rather annoying, bumbling and pompous, whereas Fem Hawke sounds confident, witty and smart.

It doesn't help that male Hawke was voiced by Nick Boulton, who also does Vaughan Kendells in the City Elf origin in Origins.

 

However, I still enjoy the occasional game as a male Hawke, because there's just so much snark there.

[straykat]

It doesn't help that male Hawke was voiced by Nick Boulton, who also does Vaughan Kendells in the City Elf origin in Origins.

 

However, I still enjoy the occasional game as a male Hawke, because there's just so much snark there.

 

I have to say I actually like Vaughn more.. lol. For what little he's in the game. Nick Boulton has a lot of rage though, so I don't mind.. Hawke is still different enough (although I prefer female too).

[AnimalBoy]

Aye.

 

Tried some other classes, but all feel wrong. Mage Hawke is the 'true' Hawke as far as I'm concerned.

 

I seem to like female Hawkes too. Was uncertain why this was, until I worked out that I found the male Hawke's voice rather annoying, bumbling and pompous, whereas Fem Hawke sounds confident, witty and smart.

 

Male Hawke sounds like Timothy Dalton. How could you hate that?

[Zafireria]

My Hawke sided with the Templars, she believes mages are dangerous and needs to be watched so yeah. Fun fact, My Hawke is a mage XD

 

Haven't tried the mage side yet

 

Edit: She is not a mean person, she is just tired of all the mage jumping to blood magic each time something happens or they start attacking people for no reason. She'll save/support them if they show other ways than violence. 

[Illegitimus]

I was Mage and supported Mages but I was not happy to do so. If there were more chances to crack the whip at how the Mages were doing things in Kirkwall, I'd have done so.

 

Story doesn't work as well as an apostate as it could have.

 

 

I was just looking at Hawke in a my current game, a muscleman walking around in Blood Dragon armour and packing a poleaxe for a "staff", with a totally different face that he adopted after briefly being "a circle mage from Ferelden there to stop the blood mages" and said to myself...y'know this works.  I can totally believe this guy can walk into the Chantry or the Gallows unsuspected by anyone.  It's not like Dragon Age Origins where Alistair could look at my circle mage in uniform and not instantly know what he was.  Of course he hasn't had Meredith acclaim him the Champion yet.  

[Catilina]

Mage. Perfect choice for story, and have much aoe Have only one bad point: not too good for lockpicking…

[AnimalBoy]

Not so good if you prefer Bethany to Carver.

[ArcadiaGrey]

My Hawke sided with the Templars, she believes mages are dangerous and needs to be watched so yeah. Fun fact, My Hawke is a mage XD

 

Haven't tried the mage side yet

 

Edit: She is not a mean person, she is just tired of all the mage jumping to blood magic each time something happens or they start attacking people for no reason. She'll save/support them if they show other ways than violence. 

 

I did that too, my mage Hawke was kind and diplomatic, supporting mages as much as she could until the end.  She finally had enough of the blood magic and believed the only way to secure Kirkwall was with Meredith.  If all the mages revolted, then mages all over Thedas would have a target on their backs.  However if a mage helped to quell the revolt, perhaps the world would see that they're not all the same.  It broke her heart though.  Luckily she talked Anders round (with some help from the console  ).

 

My next Hawke was pro-templar and I loved every second.  She just didn't want deal with damn mages anymore!  Except Bethany, she lived.   It was liberating  

[ArcadiaGrey]

This is a strong point. I can see where you're coming from in wanting to fight for the rights of others. It definitely makes Hawke more admirable in that sense. 

 

But what I like about being an aggressive pro-mage, mage Hawke is it's probably the closest you can come in the DA franchise to being a villain, or at least pushing that line as much as possible. You can support and practice blood magic, kill templars, help escaped killer mages (who also practice blood magic), and flat out you can support Anders in his actions, no matter how extreme. I think that Hawke becomes the most unique, since it's not the typical "I want to fight for my freedom story" it becomes more of a "is this person going too far and becoming an extremist" story and I think that's totally unique to DA2. 

 

Damn, I love that.  Hello my next playthrough!

 

That's the one important fact about Hawke as a character that ppl often miss.  The Warden and Inquisitor have to essentially be good people for the story to make sense.  If you're horrendous it's odd to then have Ferelden cheering for you and your companions congratulating you (even though you murdered most of them).

 

Hawke can be bad.  Can be selfish.  Isn't necessarily the hero, just the axis around which Kirkwall spins - so there's much more room for role-playing unique characters.  I have a lovely kind Hawke, a selfish idiot Hawke, an 'oh for goodness sake just kill it' Hawke....I hope Bioware explore that type of protagonist again in the future.

[vertigomez]

I prefer mage!Hawke. Part of it's for the story, and because I prefer Carver to Bethany as a character (but I love them both). I enjoy the gameplay best as a mage and I think Hawke's mage armor is more iconic.

[ArcadiaGrey]

You think that's good? Now head canon a little, and imagine the reason for your Hawke being a little more toned down in DA:I is because of guilt. Imagine...

 

Spoiler

Imagine Hawke sacrifices him/herself as a way to try and redeem for starting the mage-templar war. In DA2, Hawke was so filled with rage and a desire for freedom, even seeing his/her mother killed by a blood mage wasn't enough to cut off that path, but if Carver or Bethany joined the Wardens, and now in DA:I Corphyeus is using blood magic to control and destroy the Wardens, Hawke finally can't take it anymore - they realize they're destroying their whole family and turn against blood magic. They sacrifice themselves in the ultimate end, to try and redeem a life doing anything for power and freedom.

 

*applauds* 

 

Nice.  I'm stealing this story for my next run, a very cool way to end Hawke's story compared to my other versions of her/him.

[Catilina]

Not so good if you prefer Bethany to Carver.

Carver is much funny than Bethany. (But still an idiot...) Bethany just a good girl

[ArcadiaGrey]

Carver is much funny than Bethany. (But still an idiot...) Bethany just a good girl

 

The biggest difference for me was Legacy.  It seemed to mean much more with Bethany than her brother.  Her dialogue was more touching.  I actually got rather fond of her, whereas that was difficult for me with Carver.