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[Deivid]

It is no secret that nobody liked Mass Effect 3 ending. The Extended cut did little to improve this.

People who play your games are your customers. Giving customers what they want is usually considered good business plan.

The BEST way to make BioWare noticed in postive light again and get great sells figures for Mass Effect Andromeda is to fix the Mass Effect 3 ending with a DLC, make the story coherent, loose the starkid.

Get good positive PR.

Releasing a fixed ending would make people talk about Mass Effect again, make people want more.

I am sorry to say but in the current state it is more than likely that nobody will buy ME:A in fear of another bad blunder ending and innability from BioWare to own its mistake.

It is time to fix BioWare and fix ME3 ending.

[The Real Pearl #2]

they are already busy with andromeda's upcoming release...And besides it wouldn't make sense to get rid of starchild although i hate him too since andromeda is after ms3...thus changing the games plot...what ever it might be. Funny how first day on the forum you make a topic about the infamous ending instead of something we haven't discussed 2,000 times already 

[Arcian]

If Andromeda was to severely underperform, either in sales or in reviews, there's a very slight chance they may consider revisiting the ending of ME3 and change it in order to make more stories in the Milky Way.

 

I wouldn't bet on it, though. As long as Super MAC is employed in a position where he has influence over the story, he's going to fight tooth and nail to protect his precious endings.

[TFD8]

While it's not BioWare, the Happy Ending Mod (MEHEM) would be something you should look into if you are upset with the ending. It's come quite a way, and has many other variants of it.

[aoibhealfae]

Give this "everyone hate the ending" a rest already. 

[Chugster]

Give this "everyone hate the ending" a rest already. 

 

You must be one of the 3 people who didn't hate the ending...I still feel annoyed and angry over it.

[The Real Pearl #2]

You must be one of the 3 people who didn't hate the ending...I still feel annoyed and angry over it.

Some advice:

Play the mp or just shut up

[Chugster]

Some advice:

Play the mp or just shut up

 

If we just shut up then BW will just **** up the ending of ME:A as well

[The Real Pearl #2]

If we just shut up then BW will just **** up the ending of ME:A as well

dwelling on the past is not going to do anything. 

[Jawsomebob]

If HBO can lie about John Snow Bioware can lie about Shepard and the indoctrination theory.

[Garlador]

dwelling on the past is not going to do anything. 

Dwelling on the past prevents mistakes in the future.

 

I think that, ultimately, it just won't happen because the time, money, and effort needed to really "fix" the problem is just too insurmountable for EA to fork over. The fact the Extended Cut exists, and at least attempts to address some of the major issues, is a miracle in and of itself.

 

Do I want a better ending? Yes. I'll always want a better ending. But at this point, I simply don't think they have the manpower, resources, or motivation to make it happen.

 

Heck, I'm still waiting for and demanding a simple re-release of the trilogy with all DLC included. We didn't even get THAT, let alone the much-demanded remaster of the trilogy for modern systems. There's FAR more money in a re-release or a remaster, and EA won't even do that sensible thing, even though it would really build up the hype for Andromeda and really please a large portion of new and old fans. It boggles my mind they haven't pulled the trigger on that yet.

[The Real Pearl #2]

Dwelling on the past prevents mistakes in the future.

 

I think that, ultimately, it just won't happen because the time, money, and effort needed to really "fix" the problem is just too insurmountable for EA to fork over. The fact the Extended Cut exists, and at least attempts to address some of the major issues, is a miracle in and of itself.

 

Do I want a better ending? Yes. I'll always want a better ending. But at this point, I simply don't think they have the manpower, resources, or motivation to make it happen.

 

Heck, I'm still waiting for and demanding a simple re-release of the trilogy with all DLC included. We didn't even get THAT, let alone the much-demanded remaster of the trilogy for modern systems. There's FAR more money in a re-release or a remaster, and EA won't even do that sensible thing, even though it would really build up the hype for Andromeda and really please a large portion of new and old fans. It boggles my mind they haven't pulled the trigger on that yet.

I don't think you know what the difference between accepting the past for what it is and constantly thinking about bull you can't change. The past is the past. Don't live in the past, learn from it. No offense but it's time to look at what you can do right now, instead of what you should have done. The creators are not going to change the ending. It's fine to point out it's flaws but you can't let that cloud your judgment. 

I am done saying butchered quotes everyone knows.

[Calerid]

Well it would be easier to fix if the dev team didn't use drugs to think of an ending.

[GiarcYekrub]

It is no secret that nobody liked Mass Effect 3 ending. The Extended cut did little to improve this.

People who play your games are your customers. Giving customers what they want is usually considered good business plan.

The BEST way to make BioWare noticed in postive light again and get great sells figures for Mass Effect Andromeda is to fix the Mass Effect 3 ending with a DLC, make the story coherent, loose the starkid.

Get good positive PR.

Releasing a fixed ending would make people talk about Mass Effect again, make people want more.

I am sorry to say but in the current state it is more than likely that nobody will buy ME:A in fear of another bad blunder ending and innability from BioWare to own its mistake.

It is time to fix BioWare and fix ME3 ending.

 

I disagree I liked the ME3 ending and I prefered it before the EC, the EC added some stuff I liked but it was mostly superficial even though very cool, what I didn't like was some of loss of ambiguity in the 3 choices offered at the end, my feeling was by making them more distictive, they were writing themselves into a corner where a god awful "canon" ending would be chosen, which is the worse posible thing I can imagine happening to the Mass Effect franchise, where player choice is respected and honoured throughout.

[Linkenski]

If Andromeda was to severely underperform, either in sales or in reviews, there's a very slight chance they may consider revisiting the ending of ME3 and change it in order to make more stories in the Milky Way.

 

I wouldn't bet on it, though. As long as Super MAC is employed in a position where he has influence over the story, he's going to fight tooth and nail to protect his precious endings.

The damage had been done, and no, that would be hilarious but they will never revisit ME3 again.

[aoibhealfae]

You must be one of the 3 people who didn't hate the ending...I still feel annoyed and angry over it.

 

Was Mass Effect ending perfect? No. Was I disappointed with how they handle the ending? Yes. Am I angry about it? No. There's still an option to kill all the reapers and Shepard did survive and Tricia Helfer is so much better as Cylon anyway. Could they make it better? Maybe. The whole series was build on one person trying to stop space monsters with mind control abilities as a plot device. They had trouble trying to smooth everything over in ME3 to close that primary overarching arc because they already dig a huge hole for themselves with ME2. Dark Energy and Indoctrination Theory is another mulch of space magic. I could name several hundred scifi with poorly done ending and even more terrible endings in games. Its been four years already, time to let go.

[Midnight Bliss]

Just install JAM.

 

 

Pretty much everything fixed.❤

[Vashra]

WARNING: Spoilers about ME:3's ending. If you have been in a hermit's cave and *somehow* do not know, or wish to know, details about the ending of ME3, then do not read this. Kthxbye.

If ME: Andromeda underperforms, they won't be inspired to fix *anything* because they'll be in the red and corporations are NOT here to make us happy. They're here to make money, and while that *should* include making us happy, there's no lack of crap on the market proving customer satisfaction is not 100% required. Once you come to understand that every product put on the market these days is put out there at. a. loss. ... and that the ONLY way a company has to survive putting out the product at all (even if it happens to NOT please the consumer base) is to sell enough of it to break even, you will understand why "We won't buy Y till you fix X" will never...ever...work as a tactic.

Most games today *barely* make a profit even when they do well in first release. They wouldn't have the cash on hand to "code up a DLC" (OMG the ignorance of time, manpower, and overhead in that statement makes my teeth itch) to do *anything* for ME3 (or any other part of the franchise). If ME: Andromeda "underperforms," it. will. kill. the. franchise.  The sheer length of time between ME1 and ME: Andromeda makes this a dangerous venture. There are folks playing games like this now who weren't old enough to use a bleeping mouse when the franchise started. This newest release, kinda like WoW (which has degenerated into a sad shell of a once decent franchise and pretty solid MMO), depends *entirely* on the loyalty of the original player base PLUS the hopes of pulling in fresh blood (for example, some of my kids are now old enough to play the franchise...God I feel old typing that).

The thing about changing the ending...again...is...at some point you're bucking heads with the Writers™. SOMEBODY (probably several members on the team) actually *liked* the ending, or it wouldn't exist. It went through concept, script, storyboarding, hand animations, code-time estimations, how-the-heck-do-we-make-it-PLAYABLE? testing, and a dozen other things. I think they should have had a chat with the developers of Fable, Final Fantasy, and (of all things) Alpha Protocol about how to make choices in a game *really* matter....but in the end, I suspect the problem with the ME3 ending was that everyone writing the ending was focusing on the fact that one way or another you were *supposed* to confront/battle the reapers in the "war to end all wars" - what they missed was that what we all WANTED (aside from an option NOT to kill our character that we'd invested literal YEARS into playing) was the ability to experience the world after the war.

If they left the ending AS-IS (with the four...not three...options, come on, am I the ONLY person who just pops a cap in that walking acid trip brat?!?)and gave us a way to experience the *result* of our choices, I think that would make up for the mess. And they could do *that* in four brief vignettes at the start of ME: Andromeda....

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We already begged for a fix. We got the DLC, which added the "Ok only Shepherd has to die....if becoming "one" with the Reapers is death" Synth option, and the shoot the starchild option (which I think may be the single coolest ending of the four, because it's the only one that leaves OPEN the question of the Reapers for another whole 50,000 years worth of story in the ME universe and what happened since nearly *all* of the main races of the ME franchise would have been wiped out by the Reapers).

Rather than go back and try to fix ME3's ending...again...the Developers should made VERY certain that the ending you pick and all the major choices along the way*severely* affects the look, feel, even available races...of gameplay for ME: Andromeda and it's (I hope eventual) DLC.

[Linkenski]

The best thing you can do to give Bioware a "revival" is to first stop even putting their reputation in a box. The very notion that Bioware has to be shed in positive light just highlights their negative status and the sooner people stop focusing on that, the better it'll be for the company.

 

They still make decent games. They aren't going to fix any mistakes they've already made but they're moving on and are doing the best they can. DA:I was not great IMO, but it still addressed a lot of issues I had with both DA2 and ME3 which we often take for granted because DA:I wasn't perfectly well-done like DA:O or ME1 or ME2, whatever it may have been.

 

I'm crossing my fingers Andromeda will be good. If not, I'm giving the new IP a chance but if that turns out to be insuficcient it could be the last straw for me.

[REMASTERPLZ]

I personally think they should remaster, this would definitely give them a chance to change their mistake at the end of 3.

[Neverwinter_Knight77]

Fixing the ending would be ideal, but if Bioware had even said the words "We're sorry", I'd have forgiven them. But no, they decided to be stubborn, arrogant and snobbish about the whole situation, even recently calling us a "vocal minority". Screw 'em.