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[Mdizzletr0n]

The explicit sexuality thing is fine to me in small amounts here and there when appropriate. I do NOT want my main female characters to be big boobed, swaying hips chicks. I want them athletic and trim. Functionally feminine, not pin-up non-functional. You will never see a worthy gymnast fem with big boobs or major hour-glass shape, big ass. You wont see a sprinter or long-distance runner like that either. Nor a uber-fit military girl. That stuff is contrary to high-function on a physical level.

Plus, I'm not a hormone-addled teenager anymore.

A lot of athletic women have "big asses." Squats and genetics. Same with being busty. Genetics.

But back on to the point. I agree with the whole Liara being a worse trope than Miranda thing. I just couldn't buy her as the Shadow Broker. Shadow Stalker maybe. Lol

[Kabooooom]

Actually it seems to be the people railing against characters being sexy that reduce them to a few body parts, not the people that enjoy them. The people who only see a pair of boobs are generally people saying "Ugh, look at those breasts, she's only there to satisfy the male gaze."

Take Miranda as an example, the only people reducing her character to an ass and a catsuit, are the people constantly complaining about it, a great many of whom are not men. The people who like Miranda as a character realise there's far more to her than that.

Again, some people only seeing the boobs or ass of a character doesn't mean there's anything wrong with the character, but with the person who can't see past that aspect of a character.

I tend to second this. Miranda is one of my favorite characters, and not for sex-appeal (although that doesn't hurt). Women are sexy, it pervades our society and has since time immemorial. I dont see the problem with portraying the sexiness of women in art, considering that we always have done so.

The problem comes when you create a character for sex appeal who also has zero other redeeming qualities.

[Iakus]

 

Take Miranda as an example, the only people reducing her character to an ass and a catsuit, are the people constantly complaining about it, a great many of whom are not men. The people who like Miranda as a character realise there's far more to her than that.

 

SO wait, the people pointing out how shallowly portrayed her appearance is are the shallow ones?  

[Laughing_Man]

Actually it seems to be the people railing against characters being sexy that reduce them to a few body parts, not the people that enjoy them. The people who only see a pair of boobs are generally people saying "Ugh, look at those breasts, she's only there to satisfy the male gaze."

 

Take Miranda as an example, the only people reducing her character to an ass and a catsuit, are the people constantly complaining about it, a great many of whom are not men. The people who like Miranda as a character realise there's far more to her than that.

 

Again, some people only seeing the boobs or ass of a character doesn't mean there's anything wrong with the character, but with the person who can't see past that aspect of a character.

 

I completely agree, only that the childish camera angles didn't do her any favors, nor did the impractical skintight catsuit.

 

I'm sorry, it's just difficult to take her seriously when she walks into combat in heels (?) and a thin catsuit. (her alternate outfit - the armor, was much more sensible)

[AzWarp]

So, is there any new information on if the Cerberus thing is a placeholder or not? Or are the devs being silent on the matter?
 

 

No word from anyone because (IMO) it was clearly made up and has no foundation in anything but some fanboy's brain.

[Getorex]

No word from anyone because (IMO) it was clearly made up and has no foundation in anything but some fanboy's brain.

 

 

And...I could certainly buy place-holder characters too for game testers, etc, IF the statement was true about cerb dudes being in it.  The deal at this point is likely to just get the game play/controls down, as well as test AI, environs, obstacles, powers/weapons effects.  They could stick in actual stick men to fill space to accomplish the above without possible side-effects of leaked information on actual details.

 

How about everyone wait and see, for ****'s sake!  WAIT for actual gameplay teasers and sale adverts before wailing and gnashing teeth.

[SnakeCode]

SO wait, the people pointing out how shallowly portrayed her appearance is are the shallow ones?  

 

It's called projection.

[Pasquale1234]

SO wait, the people pointing out how shallowly portrayed her appearance is are the shallow ones?  

Apparently, in the minds of some.

Yet it was Bioware who insisted on giving her cameltoe and a deeply wedgied ass and not allowing us to forget these features. There's a fine line between sexy / attractive and going so OTT as to make it repulsive, and Bioware crossed that line for some of us.

It's called projection.

Projecting... what exactly?

[AlanC9]

I'm sorry, it's just difficult to take her seriously when she walks into combat in heels (?) and a thin catsuit. (her alternate outfit - the armor, was much more sensible)

However, note that a lot of Jacob's outfit is made up of the same stuff as the catsuit.

[Andrew Lucas]

She says she was designed to be perfect, including her looks. Doesn't explain her outfit.

Ash's outfit looks like she should be serving coffee, not serving in a military organization


I'd say the problem lies with the camera angles. If you take a character with an interesting backstory and personality and continually focus on their hindquarters and dress them in outfits that look like they cut off blood circulation to the extremities, you're not doing them any favors.

IB's outfit was also ridiculous. So you know what I did? I crafted real armor for him. I couldn't make him wear a shirt in Skyhold, but Andraste's blouse, I could make him wear a real breastplate in combat!

It does, being a spy and doing covert operations requires some actions. Now, the angles are a whole other story which I agree with. Her outfit is fine, I really don't see the issue with it, but then again, I don't spend my time gazing her crotch because some Bio developer was h-y.

As for Ashley, her outfit is a no brainer. Nothing ridiculous about it.

[mrjack]

Actually it seems to be the people railing against characters being sexy that reduce them to a few body parts, not the people that enjoy them. The people who only see a pair of boobs are generally people saying "Ugh, look at those breasts, she's only there to satisfy the male gaze."

 

Take Miranda as an example, the only people reducing her character to an ass and a catsuit, are the people constantly complaining about it, a great many of whom are not men. The people who like Miranda as a character realise there's far more to her than that.

 

Again, some people only seeing the boobs or ass of a character doesn't mean there's anything wrong with the character, but with the person who can't see past that aspect of a character.

 

I'm not railing against women being sexy in video games and I'm not even interested in women sexually. I don't care if Miranda is in a catsuit or a swimsuit, I like her character. My comment that you replied to was in response to your saying how the political climate allows for the objectification/sexualisation of men but not women and how this is hypocritical. My point was that the two thing are not comparable given the history of the world and all that.

[Iakus]

It's called projection.

 

It was certainly "projected" onto my screen.  At times, it nearly filled it

However, note that a lot of Jacob's outfit is made up of the same stuff as the catsuit.

And I have complained about that too.  But Miranda's scenes drew far more attention to it..

 

It does, being a spy and doing covert operations requires some actions. Now, the angles are a whole other story which I agree with.

As for Ashley, her outfit is a no brainer. Nothing ridiculous about it.

How does running the Lazarus Project require an outfit so tight-fitting you have to walk around with a permanent wedgie?

 

And yeah, Ash's uniform was ridiculous.  Why didn't she get a proper uniform like Shepard? Or Traynor?  Or Gabby?  

 

Or heck, like her (male) counterpart Kaidan?

 

Heck, why couldn't she at least have a T-shirt and cargo pants like Vega?

[Ahglock]

It does, being a spy and doing covert operations requires some actions. Now, the angles are a whole other story which I agree with.

As for Ashley, her outfit is a no brainer. Nothing ridiculous about it.

Being a spy and covert actions would be about dressing to blend in. And if said spy was going into a military strike op they would wear armor and gear appropriate for that mission.

Miranda is supposed to have a heightened intelligence and yet her outfit portrays someone too dumb to be effective at her own jobs. Leader, crappy outfit for that, spy crappy outfit for that, warrior crappy outfit for that.

[Andrew Lucas]

Being a spy and covert actions would be about dressing to blend in. And if said spy was going into a military strike op they would wear armor and gear appropriate for that mission.
Miranda is supposed to have a heightened intelligence and yet her outfit portrays someone too dumb to be effective at her own jobs. Leader, crappy outfit for that, spy crappy outfit for that, warrior crappy outfit for that.

I guess you don't know about the art of seduction to extract information or you know, kill someone. Just saying. I don't think that goes as dumb.

[FKA_Servo]

I guess you don't know about the art of seduction to extract information or you know, kill someone. Just saying. I don't think that goes as dumb.

 

That's pretty dumb, though.

 

Is Miranda really out seducing people, considering her specific skill set? Wouldn't that be a waste of her potential?

[Iakus]

I guess you don't know about the art of seduction to extract information or you know, kill someone. Just saying. I don't think that goes as dumb.

When exactly did Miranda seduce anyone?  She ran the Lazarus Project.  She had a desk job.  Her brains and her leadership skills were far more important than her...other assets...

[mrjack]

I guess you don't know about the art of seduction to extract information or you know, kill someone. Just saying. I don't think that goes as dumb.

 

You've watched too many bad Bond films.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

You've watched too many bad Bond films.

"You watch too many spy vids, Jenkins." - Dr. Chakwas

[Kabooooom]

No word from anyone because (IMO) it was clearly made up and has no foundation in anything but some fanboy's brain.

I hope so, but the thing is - after ME3 and the comics...I totally wouldn't be surprised if Cerberus was in the game in some stupid way.

And I know I'm not the only one who wouldn't be surprised.

[Andrew Lucas]

That's pretty dumb, though.
 
Is Miranda really out seducing people, considering her specific skill set? Wouldn't that be a waste of her potential?

During her time at Cerberus? Probably. If it was required to achieve her goals when there wasn't any other option, I don't see why she would hesitate.

 

When exactly did Miranda seduce anyone?  She ran the Lazarus Project.  She had a desk job.  Her brains and her leadership skills were far more important than her...other assets...

 

Before, you know, when actually being a spy as she mentioned. I'm not referring to her catsuit, nothing wrong with it, but to her affirmation of her looks and etc.

 

You've watched too many bad Bond films.

I don't recall Bond wearing his beach shorts to seduce anyone and then kill the target. Refresh me.

Let's just go to PM so that we can fight there. Too many people. Wrong topic.

[FKA_Servo]

You've watched too many bad Bond films.

 

Not saying that many of them don't hold a cherished place in my heart, but... is there really any other kind?

[Ahglock]

I guess you don't know about the art of seduction to extract information or you know, kill someone. Just saying. I don't think that goes as dumb.

And if she were ever in a mission where that was the goal awesome, or if that is just how she likes to dress in her downtime again awesome, heck spontaneous missions where you get pulled into something while shopping on the citadel again fine. But if I'm raiding a building packed with gun toting mercs, or a collector ship gear the eff up.

Their goal was to create unique looks that helped define the character. First part was handled the 2nd part they worked against as it did the opposite and created impressions that were counter to the characters they were creating.

[Ahglock]

Not saying that many of them don't hold a cherished place in my heart, but... is there really any other kind?

Heresy, there are only 3 bad bond movies. The rest go from good to amazing.

[Kabooooom]

I don't recall Bond wearing his beach shorts to seduce anyone and then kill the target. Refresh me.

Didnt he seduce that one Latina chick in Casino Royale (or the movie after that) in beach shorts?

I can't remember if he killed her though. She ended up dead, but I forget her actual relevance to the plot.

I love me some Bond though.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Heresy, there are only 3 bad bond movies. The rest go from good to amazing.

Out of curiosity, what are the three?

 

Didnt he seduce that one Latina chick in Casino Royale (or the movie after that) in beach shorts? 

I can't remember if he killed her though. She ended up dead, but I forget her actual relevance to the plot.

I love me some Bond though.

He didn't kill her. The bad guys her husband worked for killed her since Bond used her to get to her husband and stopped their plan to blow up the plane.