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[Iakus]

I think what he meant is:

 

Samara: A justicar, somewhere close to 1000, hunting her own daughter. Having a neckline(?) down to the navel doesn´t help with her mission and I am pretty sure the codex doesn´t allow to sleep with "evildoers" or informants, even if it would be helpful. And well combatant with  no armor but clothing which is open at the front.

Showing your boobs as a matriarch and lawenfrcement killer seems a bit weird. Is it some cultural thing that showing your cleavage as a matriarch is threatening to other asari or so?

 

Miri: No problem that she is sexy, but high heels in combat, clothing that gives her wedgies? Seems most people don´t have a problem with her being sexy but with the inpractical dress. And well the buttshots. If I am talking to someone, especially if it´s serious stuff, I don´t want to talk to the butt. Leave the check her out angles to stuff like flirting or trying to make a move. or as an indicator that she is making a move. A bit more subtle would be more sexy instead this blunt show.

 

EDI: Why does my ship AI have a cameltoe? I get that she is fully functional as an infiltration unit but still.

 

Jack: Sorry, but this clothing is plain ridiculous with this nipple bra, especially when she says herself, showing too much in prison will get you unwanted attention.

 

It doesn´t really fit in most cases. As i said, a bit more subtlety here and there would be nicer.

This Vorlon understands.

[SnakeCode]

Sex Object- A person regarded by another/others only in terms of their sexual attractiveness or availability.

 

 

Care to tell us which female characters from Mass Effect fit this description Iakus?

[Ieldra]

They've never made a character a sex object. Sexualized definitely, but never a sex object. Every character Bioware has written, male and female, that have been sexualized bring a lot more to the table than just their physical appearance, thus not a sex object. 

I'd put it like this: The ME team liked to push the sexualization up to eleven, and most of the time not in a good way IMO. As opposed to the DA team - no female character after Morrigan has been as blatantly sexualized as Miranda and EDI.

[KaiserShep]

As opposed to the DA team - no female character after Morrigan has been as blatantly sexualized as Miranda and EDI.

 

Well, there is Isabela. 

[Wolfryck]

Shhhh people.

I don't want my sexualized alien ladies to disappear !!

[Ieldra]

Shhhh people.

I don't want my sexualized alien ladies to disappear !!

I do want them to disappear. Aliens that just happen to look attractive to human men (barring mind control) are one of the most ridiculous ideas ever conceived by the SF genre. 

 

If characters must have sex appeal, make them human - or artificial and made by humans.

[wright1978]

They've never made a character a sex object. Sexualized definitely, but never a sex object. Every character Bioware has written, male and female, that have been sexualized bring a lot more to the table than just their physical appearance, thus not a sex object.

Agree it's only aspect. personally I hope they continue to imbue a sexualised tint into characters where it is warranted and ignore the heckling.

[SnakeCode]

I do want them to disappear. Aliens that just happen to look attractive to human men (barring mind control) are one of the most ridiculous ideas ever conceived by the SF genre. 

 

If characters must have sex appeal, make them human - or artificial and made by humans.

 

So you didn't have a problem with EDI in ME3 then?

 

And what of aliens designed to be attractive to human women (Thane)? I see no mention of them.

[MissQuenepa]

So you didn't have a problem with EDI in ME3 then?

 

And what of aliens designed to be attractive to human women (Thane)? I see no mention of them.

1 mildly attractive alien guy out of all those ugly or beastly looking turians, krogan, batarians, vorcha, and salarians we are bombarded with. 1 drell with scaley skin that can give you a rash and bugged out eyes who goes into spams during conversations. I mean yeah, he's got a great body, but he is ugly like a fish/lizard from the neck up. As opposed to sexy asari and quarian females that have human faces. So this 1 drell guy who was described as nothing, nothing but "eye candy" by many in the male playerbase in the old bsn pre-ME3, until he is ultimately redeemed of "eye candy" status and rendered a cool guy by his death in ME3. Oh, there was outrage about Thane alright, just that one piece of alien eye candy for the women. And he dies. There's like two other drell in the whole galaxy we see in game, no drell strippers, nada!

 

You know, I hope they put unmasked supermodel, muscular, tall, big dingalinged/codpieced quarian males (those quarian ladies hips are wide for a reason) in the next game as the majority of our crew and at least two as our squadmates, and that they steal all the sexy alien and human women from the male protagonist if he doesn't romance them. Oh, and they must be utterly attracted and devoted to our female protagonist, and only her super human puanani can cure their sexy male alien woes (like maleshep's hairy-bird did for Liara and Tali).

 

This is probably how it will go though

 

Straight Guys:

 

1 beautiful bisexual eager beaver asari (Cora?)

1 petite buxom blonde human woman

1 beautiful unmasked tiny curvy virgin quarian female

 

Gay Guys:

 

1 fat belligerent bisexual krogan (Drack?)

1 boring and average looking human male (gay)

 

Gay Girls:

 

1 beautiful bisexual eager beaver asari (Cora?)

1 average looking human female (gay)

 

Straight Girls:

 

1 fat belligerent bisexual krogan (Drack?)

1 boring yet handsome human male (straight)

 

The 7 squadmates we are rumored to have. All romances, Different orientations. Straight guys get majority because they is majority. All hot humanish aliens are chicks now because the drell are going to get left behind of course. Oh, and for some reason quarian males will look more alien or like turians or vorcha because alien sexual dimorphism demands it, and they will be so tiny and frail compared to human males that their women will only desire human males. That's how these fantasy games for a straight guy majority work right? #1 Alien chicks hotter than human chicks and all desire my attention #2 Alien males weaker and/or less attractive than human males and think human females are ugly, which equals my fragile male ego is saved, screw everyone else enjoying the romancey stuff in game. This is me1 to me3. 

[Han Shot First]

I do want them to disappear. Aliens that just happen to look attractive to human men (barring mind control) are one of the most ridiculous ideas ever conceived by the SF genre. 

 

If characters must have sex appeal, make them human - or artificial and made by humans.

 

I could understand arguing against the inclusion of the Asari or the Quarians if Mass Effect was a new IP, but we're now three games into the series. That ship has sailed. Any argument for the series to tack more towards hard Sci Fi in the design of its aliens would also be an argument in favor of drastic retcons, unless it is just limited to new species. 

 

Major retcons of species' appearance are something I'd rather not see. I thought the continuity between Dragon Age games suffered a bit irom the changes in appearance of the elves from game to game, and to a lesser extent from the changes made to the Qunari.

 

That being said I do think it would be interesting if any new species were a bit more alien than the Milky Way crop, and not potential LIs.

[Ieldra]

So you didn't have a problem with EDI in ME3 then?

Not on the grounds of implausibility, though I still find her blatantly oversexualized. The difference is that the latter is a matter of taste, and the former a matter of worldbuilding. A world where an alien species can accidentally look attractive to humans is a world I can't believe in, because sexual attraction triggers are so highly species-specific that we aren't even attracted to our closest relatives on Earth.
 

And what of aliens designed to be attractive to human women (Thane)? I see no mention of them.

Basically the same, only since I'm a heterosexual male, I don't notice it that much. Also, it isn't nearly as blatant as with, say, the asari.

[Ieldra]

I could understand arguing against the inclusion of the Asari or the Quarians if Mass Effect was a new IP, but we're now three games into the series. That ship has sailed. Any argument for the series to tack more towards hard Sci Fi in the design of its aliens would also be an argument in favor of drastic retcons, unless it is just limited to new species. 
 
Major retcons of species' appearance are something I'd rather not see. I thought the continuity between Dragon Age games suffered a bit irom the changes in appearance of the elves from game to game, and to a lesser extent from the changes made to the Qunari.
 
That being said I do think it would be interesting if any new species were a bit more alien than the Milky Way crop, and not potential LIs.

Sure, it would make no sense to take those species out of the universe. However, they don't necessarily have to appear in a new game, especially not if it takes place in a new galaxy. And of course I'm also in favour of more non-humanoid alien species.

[MissQuenepa]

Not on the grounds of implausibility, though I still find her blatantly oversexualized. The difference is that the latter is a matter of taste, and the former a matter of worldbuilding. A world where an alien species can accidentally look attractive to humans is a world I can't believe in, because sexual attraction triggers are so highly species-specific that we aren't even attracted to our closest relatives on Earth.
 
Basically the same, only since I'm a heterosexual male, I don't notice it that much.

I don't know though, there are some people out there who want to get all up in some chimpanzee butt.

 

Seriously, I agree. Not to mention what a little bit of radiation exposure or imbibing while pregnant can do to slightly alter human dna and chromosomes, which can lead to facial, anatomical, and behavioral abnormalities that we find off-putting, especially the appearance. This is small genetic abnormalities in our own species, not a species with an entirely different genome than our own.

 

 

Edit: Except I just had to go do some research and found this quote from the ME artist Matt Rhodes:

 

"Protheans were interesting. At first I was trying to design a creature that could conceivably be (if you squint your eyes) the genetic root of all the alien races in our galaxy (yes yes, just like that TNG episode). I was trying to stay as close to their original appearance in ME1 as I could (which had been kept intentionally vague for just this reason). That didn’t last long though."

 

 

That might explain thing a little bit more.

[Ahriman]

Ah, there are two parts about it.

 A world where an alien species can accidentally look attractive to humans is a world I can't believe in

First one is about evolution's mechanism for species separation. Humans find beautiful everything that has symmetric features, fish, birds, lions and so on. But when it comes to relative species aka neanderthals this mechanism kicks in and they look 'twisted' to us.

 

 because sexual attraction triggers are so highly species-specific that we aren't even attracted to our closest relatives on Earth.

Second one is human sexual drive, it's one of strongest ones on Earth. Don't make me write this -phylia list here.

All in all, aliens which aren't pain to look at are totally plausible because they are likely to share same evolution iterations. Howerer aliens which look like humans with another hair is simply lazy design, even though some scientists suggest that sentient life on another planets is likely to be human-like.

[Getorex]

I do want them to disappear. Aliens that just happen to look attractive to human men (barring mind control) are one of the most ridiculous ideas ever conceived by the SF genre. 

 

If characters must have sex appeal, make them human - or artificial and made by humans.

 

There's that. I am willing to suspend disbelief for a good game (and I DO consider the ME series quite good) BUT that doesn't mean I'd also not prefer something a bit more realistic. Aliens are NOT going to be sexually attractive to humans (and vis versa) barring mind control as you say. You would no more find an alien male or female (or hermaphrodite if that's what they are) sexually attractive than you would a horse, a chimp, a spider, or an ostrich.  It is irrelevant the level of intelligence.  If a horse could hold full conversation with you that's great! They could be a good friend, but neither that horse, nor you, are going to be wanting to bang each other (of course, there IS that pervert minority that are into animals/non-humans but I'd prefer NO game devs cater to them).  

 

The Turians were pretty damn decent as truly alien, same with Krogan, BUT then SOME people playing the game still wanted to boink them. Ugh. Only in cartoons.  In reality, even if truly friendly, seeing a real turian or krogan would be akin to seeing a real Alien from the movie series (Alien, Aliens 2, etc).  Even if those aliens were friendly, does anyone really think they'd want to hump them some human or vice versa?  I'd as soon want to bang a krogan female as I would a human-intelligence-level horned toad.  Ya'll would too.

[Getorex]

Ah, there are two parts about it.

First one is about evolution's mechanism for species separation. Humans find beautiful everything that has symmetric features, fish, birds, lions and so on. But when it comes to relative species aka neanderthals this mechanism kicks in and they look 'twisted' to us.

 

Second one is human sexual drive, it's one of strongest ones on Earth. Don't make me write this -phylia list here.

All in all, aliens which aren't pain to look at are totally plausible because they are likely to share same evolution iterations. Howerer aliens which look like humans with another hair is simply lazy design, even though some scientists suggest that sentient life on another planets is likely to be human-like.

 

 

I find beauty in lots of animals/non-humans. In no way, shape, or form do I want to make out with, or hump, any of them.  And I don't want them seeking to hump me either.  You are the same because that's biology and evolution.

 

NO real reputable scientists think any alien intelligence is going to look like us.  There's ZERO basis to make that assumption.  Vertebrate life on earth ALL share the same evolutionary history so they ALL share homologous anatomy (from fish to snakes to dogs to birds).  Pure happenstance that we have the general body plan we do.  Assuming alien intelligence is going to look like us is to assume some sort of force that forces badly designed bipedalism with a lousy/defective spine is forced by nature rather than bad luck.  As the previous poster noted, no one (but pervs) are even sexually attracted to our closest evolutionary cousin, chimps.  Make them stand upright like humans and give them full speech power, high technology, and that doesn't change it AT ALL.  

[Getorex]

Part of the deal with VERY humanoid aliens is that as game devs you can recycle/reuse the same armature again and again for each alien, all or most of the same vertex groups will work with all the other characters.  The only thing you need to alter is mesh.  If you went hardcore and made humans human and aliens truly alien, you lose that reusability and add a LOT more work to the animators.  Different armatures/skeletons for different aliens, different movements, maybe only partial vertex group overlap.  Higher cost to make and longer time to produce.  

 

So on that note we all do need to cut them SOME slack here.  The story and atmosphere is the main thing.  I'll forgive hot alien chicks for that (though I'd be just as happy if they just made the human females hot and leave the aliens to aliens).  There's really no REQUIREMENT that your human character be able to bang any and sundry alien.  So, they could use the same (or in most cases) skeleton/armatures but make the meshes ALIEN and forego the dialog requirements for humping aliens and focus it on a few human options.

[Giantdeathrobot]

I don't have much of a problem with humanoid looking aliens. I mean, beyond the obvious alien features, even the Krogans, Salarians and Turians look quite humanoid, just not akin to human in rubber suits. That's a sci-fi trope that is here to stay, because humans empathize more easily with humanoids, and it's also much easier to program game systems and visual designs when everyone uses the same basic skeleton.

 

What I do find silly are things like the Asari and Quarians that happen to look just like humans except for one distinguishing features so that we can say they're aliens and it's exotic and all that. Bonus points for making a race that's entirely consisting of bisexual space babes that can bang anybody, because that's so mature. I know this ship has sailed and it is much too late to retcon those races out of existence, but I'd rather any new species not follow that model. Let Bioware be more creative when inventing alien races, not just be sexy humans with an half-assed twist.

[Tinxa]

Er, I fail to see how exactly a frog lizard is designed to be attractive to women???

Thane has a sexy voice, a heartbreak backstory and that's about it. Unless I missed some memo that said a frog lizard man is every woman's dream. And yet I see a lot of posters claiming he's the male equivalent of Asari?

 

Personally I only preferred Thane's romance arc because Jacob's and Garrus' romance dialogue was creepy as hell.

[MissQuenepa]

Er, I fail to see how exactly a frog lizard is designed to be attractive to women???

Thane has a sexy voice, a heartbreak backstory and that's about it. Unless I missed some memo that said a frog lizard man is every woman's dream. And yet I see a lot of posters claiming he's the male equivalent of Asari?

 

Personally I only preferred Thane's romance arc because Jacob's and Garrus' romance dialogue was creepy as hell.

This is the male equivalent of an asari

 

Not this

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[Barquiel]

Er, I fail to see how exactly a frog lizard is designed to be attractive to women???

Thane has a sexy voice, a heartbreak backstory and that's about it. Unless I missed some memo that said a frog lizard man is every woman's dream. And yet I see a lot of posters claiming he's the male equivalent of Asari?

 

Personally I only preferred Thane's romance arc because Jacob's and Garrus' romance dialogue was creepy as hell.

 

Casey said it, iirc. I can't find the actual interview it was stated in, but it's quoted on their ME-wiki page.

"The creation of the drell species was the outcome of designing a male alien love interest that was required to be an attractive and stealthy assassin. The appearance of the resulting character, Thane Krios, then formed the basis of the design for other members of the drell species."

I think both the Drell and the Asari look fine the way they are.

[MissQuenepa]

Casey said it, iirc. I can't find the actual interview it was stated in, but it's quoted on their ME-wiki page.

"The creation of the drell species was the outcome of designing a male alien love interest that was required to be an attractive and stealthy assassin. The appearance of the resulting character, Thane Krios, then formed the basis of the design for other members of the drell species."

I think both the Drell and the Asari look fine the way they are.

Let me guess. You are an asarimancer. I see.

 

 

Pretty bright blue or brown human eyes vs. a big lizards eye bugging out with two eyelids at you.

[AtreiyaN7]

 

NO real reputable scientists think any alien intelligence is going to look like us.  There's ZERO basis to make that assumption.  Vertebrate life on earth ALL share the same evolutionary history so they ALL share homologous anatomy (from fish to snakes to dogs to birds).  Pure happenstance that we have the general body plan we do.  Assuming alien intelligence is going to look like us is to assume some sort of force that forces badly designed bipedalism with a lousy/defective spine is forced by nature rather than bad luck.  As the previous poster noted, no one (but pervs) are even sexually attracted to our closest evolutionary cousin, chimps.  Make them stand upright like humans and give them full speech power, high technology, and that doesn't change it AT ALL.  

 

 

Convergent evolution shows that entirely different species can develop similar features, even ones from entirely different classes that long ago split off from whatever common ancestor they might have had:

 

http://www.pbs.org/w...4/l_014_01.html

 

Though I don't think aliens would be near-human look-a-likes a la Star Trek aliens, it's entirely possible for unrelated species to independently arrive at similar designs or traits if they evolve under similar environmental conditions. As kludgy as our anatomy is for bipedal locomotion, bipedalism cleraly provided certain evolutionary advantages; and so, it's possible that other aliens on an Earth-like world analogous to our own might also develop bipedal locomotion and walk upright, etc. (possibly with better anatomical design, assuming that nature and evolution manage to do better a second or third time around). I certainly wouldn't expect some methane-based alien that evolved under, say, Jupiter-like conditions or what-have-you to be even remotely like us.

[MissQuenepa]

Convergent evolution shows that entirely different species can develop similar features, even ones from entirely different classes that long ago split off from whatever common ancestor they might have had:

 

http://www.pbs.org/w...4/l_014_01.html

 

Though I don't think aliens would be near-human look-a-likes a la Star Trek aliens, it's entirely possible for unrelated species to independently arrive at similar designs or traits if they evolve under similar environmental conditions. As kludgy as our anatomy is for bipedal locomotion, bipedalism cleraly provided certain evolutionary advantages; and so, it's possible that other aliens on an Earth-like world analogous to our own might also develop bipedal locomotion and walk upright, etc. (possibly with better anatomical design, assuming that nature and evolution manage to do better a second or third time around). I certainly wouldn't expect some methane-based alien that evolved under, say, Jupiter-like conditions or what-have-you to be even remotely like us.

Convergent evolution only works if the two are evolving under the same environmental conditions, which humans, asari, and quarians are not. Plus even then the species do not have identical faces. Just like you don't look like this

 

or this

 

Well I mean I hope you don't. Although you could successfully get pregnant by one of them.

 

It seems the writing team wanted to go the Star Trek explanation, that the Protheans created us all. I hope they go this route in some future codex entry. That the Protheans really did design us (asari, human, quarian) to look the way we did. All 3, we all are the perfection. 

[AtreiyaN7]

Convergent evolution only works if the two are evolving under the same environmental conditions, which humans, asari, and quarians are not. Plus even then the species do not have identical faces. Just like you don't look like this

 

or this

 

Well I mean I hope you don't. Although you could successfully get pregnant by one of them.

 

It seems the writing team wanted to go the Star Trek explanation, that the Protheans created us all.

 

Yeah, and maybe you should have read my post more carefully, genius. Because honestly, it certainly looks like what I was saying went right over your head. Did you see me mentioning quarians, krogans, or any other ME aliens at all as being examples of convergent evolution? No, because every ME race was designed by a human artist and is not an actual example of convergent evolution.

 

Let me try to dumb my post down for you into digestible chunks here:

 

1. The other poster basically said that science says it's totally impossible for other aliens to look like us.
2. I then pointed out that science says that convergent evolution can lead to different, unrelated species developing similar traits and body plans - which means that it's theoretically possible for aliens that we might one day meet in our universe to share certain traits like our own (bipedal locomotion for example) IF they evolved under similar environmental conditions.
3. I specifically used the words "Earth-like world analogous to our own" (which goes back to the whole "similar environmental conditions" thing).
4. I was saying that under very similar conditions, it's conceivable that aliens might end up sharing certain traits with us such as a general body plan or things like bipedal locomotion and so forth.
5. In no way did I say that aliens would have human faces or near-human faces - duh!!!!!!!!!!
6. And finally, I will repeat that in no way was I talking about the concept of convergent evolution as applying to quarians, turians, krogans, or ANY ME alien races whatsoever when they're simply the products of the creative minds of artists, rather than being real examples of convergent evolution (because they aren't).

*rolleyes*