This is Bioware, when do we NOT overreact. When you bring Cerberus up, it is the best way to get into a flame war. Also Cerberus is better than Collectors.
Well this is BSN. I assume most of the Bioware staff is significantly more reasonable than some of the borderline-unstable people that post here.
Yeah, and maybe you should have read my post more carefully, genius. Because honestly, it certainly looks like what I was saying went right over your head. Did you see me mentioning quarians, krogans, or any other ME aliens at all as being examples of convergent evolution? No, because every ME race was designed by a human artist and is not an actual example of convergent evolution.
Let me try to dumb my post down for you into digestible chunks here:
- The other poster basically said that science says it's totally impossible for other aliens to look like us.
- I then pointed out that science says that convergent evolution can lead to different, unrelated species developing similar traits and body plans - which means that it's theoretically possible for aliens that we might one day meet in our universe to share certain traits like our own (bipedal locomotion for example) IF they evolved under similar environmental conditions.
- I specifically used the words "Earth-like world analogous to our own" (which goes back to the whole "similar environmental conditions" thing).
- I was saying that under very similar conditions, it's conceivable that aliens might end up sharing certain traits with us such as a general body plan or things like bipedal locomotion and so forth.
- In no way did I say that aliens would have human faces or near-human faces - duh!!!!!!!!!!
- And finally, I will repeat that in no way was I talking about the concept of convergent evolution as applying to quarians, turians, krogans, or ANY ME alien races whatsoever when they're simply the products of the creative minds of artists, rather than being real examples of convergent evolution (because they aren't).
*rolleyes*
But your argument is predicated on a pretty big assumption: that species look similar to us happen to look similar to each other. But that needn't be true.
1 mildly attractive alien guy out of all those ugly or beastly looking turians, krogan, batarians, vorcha, and salarians we are bombarded with. 1 drell with scaley skin that can give you a rash and bugged out eyes who goes into spams during conversations. I mean yeah, he's got a great body, but he is ugly like a fish/lizard from the neck up. As opposed to sexy asari and quarian females that have human faces. So this 1 drell guy who was described as nothing, nothing but "eye candy" by many in the male playerbase in the old bsn pre-ME3, until he is ultimately redeemed of "eye candy" status and rendered a cool guy by his death in ME3. Oh, there was outrage about Thane alright, just that one piece of alien eye candy for the women. And he dies. There's like two other drell in the whole galaxy we see in game, no drell strippers, nada!
You know, I hope they put unmasked supermodel, muscular, tall, big dingalinged/codpieced quarian males (those quarian ladies hips are wide for a reason) in the next game as the majority of our crew and at least two as our squadmates, and that they steal all the sexy alien and human women from the male protagonist if he doesn't romance them. Oh, and they must be utterly attracted and devoted to our female protagonist, and only her super human puanani can cure their sexy male alien woes (like maleshep's hairy-bird did for Liara and Tali).
This is probably how it will go though
Straight Guys:
1 beautiful bisexual eager beaver asari (Cora?)
1 petite buxom blonde human woman
1 beautiful unmasked tiny curvy virgin quarian female
Gay Guys:
1 fat belligerent bisexual krogan (Drack?)
1 boring and average looking human male (gay)
Gay Girls:
1 beautiful bisexual eager beaver asari (Cora?)
1 average looking human female (gay)
Straight Girls:
1 fat belligerent bisexual krogan (Drack?)
1 boring yet handsome human male (straight)
The 7 squadmates we are rumored to have. All romances, Different orientations. Straight guys get majority because they is majority. All hot humanish aliens are chicks now because the drell are going to get left behind of course. Oh, and for some reason quarian males will look more alien or like turians or vorcha because alien sexual dimorphism demands it, and they will be so tiny and frail compared to human males that their women will only desire human males. That's how these fantasy games for a straight guy majority work right? #1 Alien chicks hotter than human chicks and all desire my attention #2 Alien males weaker and/or less attractive than human males and think human females are ugly, which equals my fragile male ego is saved, screw everyone else enjoying the romancey stuff in game. This is me1 to me3.
LMFAO...
I have no idea what you wrote in this post but I can't stop laughing...
Well done.
Well this is BSN. I assume most of the Bioware staff is significantly more reasonable than some of the borderline-unstable people that post here.
Not reasonable enough to shut Super MAC out of the project, which is to say not reasonable at all.
Yeah, and maybe you should have read my post more carefully, genius. Because honestly, it certainly looks like what I was saying went right over your head. Did you see me mentioning quarians, krogans, or any other ME aliens at all as being examples of convergent evolution? No, because every ME race was designed by a human artist and is not an actual example of convergent evolution.
Actually they're quite good examples of convergent evolution. Bipedal gait, mostly similar internal anatomy (heart, blood vessels, lungs, stomach, nervous system, etc), a complex brain, two eyes, one mouth, two ears/hearing organs, one nose with two nostrils. We don't look this way because of random chance, we evolved all of these traits because they are the most energy efficient to support our complex brain. The same would apply for any alien species comparable to us in terms of intellect and brain complexity.
Convergent evolution doesn't cover the smaller details because they're selected based on variances in environmental conditions, mating behaviour, social behaviour, hunting methods in response to the evolutionary path of other species from the same biosphere, foraging methods in response to the availability of plant-based food, resistance to toxins in response to exposure, etc.
So while you're right that the ME species were designed by human artists, these artists put some thought into why each of these species look the way they do based on what we know about our own evolutionary design and that of different extant and extinct animals like dinosaurs. They go into some detail about this in the ME Art Book, which I have lying around somewhere.
Besides some artistic design choices like asari being virtually identical to female humans save for their scalp and skin color, the only thing that really stands out as evolutionarily nonsensical is their decision to give so many species three-fingered hands. We evolved five-fingered hands because they have the best ratio of usefulness to energy efficience. Three-fingered hands are much less useful than five-fingered hands and, IIRC, aren't noticeably more energy efficient.
Besides some artistic design choices like asari being virtually identical to female humans save for their scalp and skin color, the only thing that really stands out as evolutionarily nonsensical is their decision to give so many species three-fingered hands. We evolved five-fingered hands because they have the best ratio of usefulness to energy efficience. Three-fingered hands are much less useful than five-fingered hands and, IIRC, aren't noticeably more energy efficient.
I'd probably also add in as strangeness that so many species are capable of consuming the same foods. Not that they should find each others' foods poisonous, but that they siply wouldn't derive nutrition due to lack of ability to break down foods they're not adapted to eat. The dextro vs levo thing shouldn't be an outlier, but the norm.
For that matter, species having anything resembling what we'd recognize as DNA should be rather unlikely.
But these are very common scifi tropes.
For that matter, species having anything resembling what we'd recognize as DNA should be rather unlikely.
That or complex life can't evolve without some form of it making it very likely.
We just don't know yet.
Random post: Sometimes I like to scroll down fast in topics here only reading a few sentences and seeing pictures without context. It can be pretty funny. Like now: I enter this topic that is about gameplay and see picture of creepy Neanderthals!
If only there was, say, a recent example of women fighting arduous battles on a frontline that could give us an idea of how they might look body shape wise, and what they might wear.
Hmm.
Nope.
Can't think of anywhere.
What puzzles me is that none of the photographers took a single picture of their arses. And why are none of them showing off their knockers? I just don't get it.
For that matter, species having anything resembling what we'd recognize as DNA should be rather unlikely.
*puts head in hands*
Screw it.
I'd probably also add in as strangeness that so many species are capable of consuming the same foods. Not that they should find each others' foods poisonous, but that they siply wouldn't derive nutrition due to lack of ability to break down foods they're not adapted to eat. The dextro vs levo thing shouldn't be an outlier, but the norm.
For that matter, species having anything resembling what we'd recognize as DNA should be rather unlikely.
But these are very common scifi tropes.
I've always kind of assumed they don't have DNA in the same specific sense life on earth does - that is, deoxyribonucleic acid, and that whenever alien DNA is brought up it's being used as short hand for whatever given molecule makes up the building blocks of life for them and forms the same function that DNA does for us.
If they do include Cerberus in any way, shape or form in Andromeda, I seriously think that my head will explode out of rage.
Right now I'll pretend I never read that part and it was just a short nightmare I can easily forget within the next couple of minutes.
I've always kind of assumed they don't have DNA in the same specific sense life on earth does - that is, deoxyribonucleic acid, and that whenever alien DNA is brought up it's being used as short hand for whatever given molecule makes up the building blocks of life for them and forms the same function that DNA does for us.
Kind of drifting out of sci-fi and fantasy here (ME is more fantasy with sci-fi stylings with biotics filling in for magic in dungeons and dragonsy games), but...
even if an alien species used DNA there's no way it would even use the same bases in the same way. On earth the DNA sequence ATG codes for methionine universally. Bacteria, plants, animals, it's the same. ATG codes for methionine and is the start of EVERY gene coded in all species, including viruses. An alien would have an entirely and arbitrarily different code. They could even use bases OTHER than A T G or C. There are a lot of possible bases that could be used, same as the amino acids we all use are fairly common, they are by no means the ONLY amino acids possible and they CAN be L- or D-, it's just for some reason L- aminos are highly predominant everywhere they are found. We use 20 amino acids (actually 21 but the 21st is very minor) but there are hundreds of others possible. The only D-aminos found in life on earth is in the cell walls of some bacteria and is a way to make it harder for predators to cut open or break their cell walls because enzymes, all made of L-aminos, also work on L-amino-containing proteins and dont work on D-amino chains. Sugars in the backbone of DNA or RNA COULD be D- or L- as well. All sugars in all life (on earth) DNA and RNA is D-sugar. It COULD go L- and the helix would turn the other way. D aminos, L sugars are useless nutritionally to earth creatures. Not necessarily poisonous but useless for nutrition.
Cerberus is part of the lore of the trilogy. Same as N7 or Spectres or hell, even the Citadel.
Cerberus is part of the lore of the trilogy. Same as N7 or Spectres or hell, even the Citadel.
But...ME:A is supposed to be ALMOST a fresh start(over) in the ME universe. No more of the baggage of Reapers, Cerberus (one would think), etc. It wouldn't be a minor thing to send peeps to another galaxy millions of light-years away. Cerberus already had a bit of a problem of being a small human-centered terrorist group or covert action civie group that managed to grow the resources to face down entire fleets of planets/civilizations. Like SPECTRE on steroids x 1000.
Could Bill Gates field an army? No. He'd break the bank after a small squad of fighter planes and tanks. How the hell did the little Cerberus group get resources to create a fleet, let alone send agents, in force, to Andromeda? TIM ain't rich enough (wasn't rich enough) to equal a planetary system.
But...ME:A is supposed to be ALMOST a fresh start(over) in the ME universe. No more of the baggage of Reapers, Cerberus (one would think), etc. It wouldn't be a minor thing to send peeps to another galaxy millions of light-years away. Cerberus already had a bit of a problem of being a small human-centered terrorist group or covert action civie group that managed to grow the resources to face down entire fleets of planets/civilizations. Like SPECTRE on steroids x 1000.
Could Bill Gates field an army? No. He'd break the bank after a small squad of fighter planes and tanks. How the hell did the little Cerberus group get resources to create a fleet, let alone send agents, in force, to Andromeda? TIM ain't rich enough (wasn't rich enough) to equal a planetary system.
Remember what TIM said in that last conversation though. Cerberus is an idea, an idea can't be destroyed so easily. Now take that to Andromeda, take that Johnny Cash song. Boom. It all makes sense to me. We are the cattle.
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Remember what TIM said in that last conversation though. Cerberus is an idea, an idea can't be destroyed so easily. Now take that to Andromeda, take that Johnny Cash song. Boom. It all makes sense to me. We are the cattle.
They buried the idea of Cerberus pretty thorougly themselves, after their "greater role for humanity" credo turned into "turn against humanity" and dangerous and unethical experiments yielded the result that normal humans and every already loyal stormtrooper got control implants.
TIM confused racism/speciecism or if you wanna be nice, the human´s burden with Cerberus. That stuff will rear its head again but in a new manifestation. No "idea" soldout so completely and made a 180 degree turn as Cerberus
This one is certainly not an option, using Ark ship for scout missions is too much even for Bioware level of consistency. I'm not talking about the size part though, according to 90% legitimate leak, they are not using Alliance naming scheme, so possible name doesn't say much in terms of ship's class.
You can tell from this ship that this is the citadel. It has all 4 arms and the back central part is the massive ring where the presidum is. This is awesome. Thanks bioware. The citadel looks way more awesome then on the previous mass effect games.
I'd probably also add in as strangeness that so many species are capable of consuming the same foods. Not that they should find each others' foods poisonous, but that they siply wouldn't derive nutrition due to lack of ability to break down foods they're not adapted to eat. The dextro vs levo thing shouldn't be an outlier, but the norm.
The dextro vs levo thing is actually nonsense, both mint and sugar contain dextro amino acids but they're not only safe but nutritious for us levo amino acid lifeforms to consume.
BioWare included the whole amino acid toxicity thing (and the schizophrenic quarian immune system) because:
1) They didn't do their research.
2) They thought it would be a lot cooler than the scientific reality.
Given their penchant for coolness with no basis in reality, I personally suspect 2) is to blame.
For that matter, species having anything resembling what we'd recognize as DNA should be rather unlikely.
Actually, the amino acids making up DNA are surprisingly common in space, which suggests they are ubiquitous throughout the universe. DNA as we know it may be universal.
Still, even if DNA is universal, the different phylogenetic trees would have virtually nothing in common except the genetic framework. Planets with similar conditions would still evolve similar animals, very likely carbon based and breathing a similar mixture to the air here on earth, but there would be no genetic resemblance
I don't get it... so they're attractive. What's wrong with that? How does that make them sex objects?
Is everyone woman with big ****** and a pretty face in the world a sex object? The characters in Mass Effect have personalities and depth, and some of them are attractive too because people (men and women) like to look at attractive things. It's not like Bioware was like "Here's Miranda, she's here for the sole purpose of having sex with you" or "We're giving EDI an attractive body so you all have something to jack over".
What would you have expected them to do? Make all the characters butt-ugly? Sure, that may be more realistic in some cases but it doesn't benefit gameplay or improve the game. I really don't see the problem with having the major females characters being attractive if they're going to be around all the time.
Seriously, get a grip
I do want them to disappear. Aliens that just happen to look attractive to human men (barring mind control) are one of the most ridiculous ideas ever conceived by the SF genre.
If characters must have sex appeal, make them human - or artificial and made by humans.
It's a freakin' video-game.
Muslims. The sexiest they're allowed to look is Burkini so even if they WANTED to show off their butts or knockers it would get them stoned, beheaded, and raped (in any random order at that), but point taken.
I'm a Muslim. And I'm offended by what you said. Thank you Bioware.
Muslims. The sexiest they're allowed to look is Burkini so even if they WANTED to show off their butts or knockers it would get them stoned, beheaded, and raped (in any random order at that), but point taken.
Yeah, because every muslim country on earth is Saudi Arabia, right ?
Didn't you get the memo? Even the Saudis are a joke to the new Islamic State. That's a big part of their newsletters.
I have to say, I believe them. Never seen a group of Muslims hold up to their beliefs so well.
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