How weren't they stupid in ME2? They went from a rogue black ops group to the richest, most resource-havin' group in the galaxy that wastes money bringing people back from the dead, making 2:1 scale reproductions of rekt ships and so many space stations they're disposable, and yet still can't accomplish anything without Space Jesus.
Yeah, the potrayal of Cerberus really broke my immersion in the series built around the magical properties of stones.
Yeah, the potrayal of Cerberus really broke my immersion in the series built around the magical properties of stones.
Did the magical properties of said stones change from game to game?
You mean aside from Cerberus being objectively stupid and poorly written for 2 games?
Your personal opinion, which I do agree with.
Also, as a paramilitary group, they are very formidable.
Correct. As a paramilitary group, they are quite formidable.
Only when they put on their plot armor. They got served by Shepard in ME1 basically by accident, then needed Shepard to do their job for them in ME2, then are bumbling idiots in ME3 despite having more resources than God.
Also, as a paramilitary group, they are very formidable.
Did the magical properties of said stones change from game to game?
No, they stayed the same in the same way Cerberus were bad guys across the whole series. What changed was how much we found out about them. The lampshading EDI gives early on in ME2 is a satisfying enough explaination why we didn't know the full extent of their resources (i.e. how the organization is divided into cells which have little to no information on each other). The fact that they were described as a black-ops team gone rogue in ME1 can reflect more the legend around them than the reality (in the same way the Citadel and Relays were seen as Prothean until the Reapers owned up to them), maybe as a retcon, but still the precedent is there.
They were demonstrably rubbish.
I'm not trying to be a Cerberus defender here, but I've got to mention that, until Shepard arrived, Cerberus pretty much had control of the Citadel.
Only when they put on their plot armor. They got served by Shepard in ME1 basically by accident, then needed Shepard to do their job for them in ME2, then are bumbling idiots in ME3 despite having more resources than God.
I am not all defending Cerberus, but I am curious as to who you think is more formidable in comparison.
They were demonstrably rubbish.
Care to elaborate?
Cerberus seems to lose three operatives per morning turning on the coffeemaker in their break room
Who doesn´t?
I'm not trying to be a Cerberus defender here, but I've got to mention that, until Shepard arrived, Cerberus pretty much had control of the Citadel.
Offscreen competence counts for nothing, bub.
Offscreen competence counts for nothing, bub.
But it was all onscreen. They basically control the place at the start of the mission. Thinking about it, if they hadn't had the misfortune of both the Shadow Broker and Shepard being in the same complex, they would've had the Archives on Mars on lock, too.
Cerberus had as much power as the writers allowed them.
Because it seems to be a necessity in Bioware games for the player to feel powerfull by proxy, Shepard usually whipped the floor with Cerberus. Something that would have been laughable in real life.
No, they stayed the same in the same way Cerberus were bad guys across the whole series. What changed was how much we found out about them. The lampshading EDI gives early on in ME2 is a satisfying enough explaination why we didn't know the full extent of their resources (i.e. how the organization is divided into cells which have little to no information on each other). The fact that they were described as a black-ops team gone rogue in ME1 can reflect more the legend around them than the reality (in the same way the Citadel and Relays were seen as Prothean until the Reapers owned up to them), maybe as a retcon, but still the precedent is there.
Except their origins have been twisted like silly putty to justify whatever story they are being put in. We are not talking about hidden knowledge. These are outright retcons.
Except their origins have been twisted like silly putty to justify whatever story they are being put in. We are not talking about hidden knowledge. These are outright retcons.
Yeah. I am sure they didn´t know if there would be a ME 2 or 3. The whole story isn´t well thought out. Mass Effect is all about "we will deal with it when we are at that point".
Still love it.
But it was all onscreen. They basically control the place at the start of the mission. Thinking about it, if they hadn't had the misfortune of both the Shadow Broker and Shepard being in the same complex, they would've had the Archives on Mars on lock, too.
My first thought when discussing Cerberus' onscreen competence and power is the Kai Leng fight on Thessia. I particularly like where you utterly destroy him, and then the game goes to cutscene where it makes you lose, and then the game makes you watch multiple scenes in which Shepard sulks about losing, and then the game makes you open Kai Leng's email in which he mocks you for losing.
All of that was a great way to experience a fight I won easily.
But it was all onscreen. They basically control the place at the start of the mission.
They didn't TAKE the Citadel onscreen. The sheer notion of Cerberus being able to take control of, and hold control of, the most well-guarded location in the entire galaxy is completely laughable.
200,000 C-Sec agents, a majority of whom are turian military, are unable to hold the station against Kai Leng and his 20 Good Men? I mean, come on. Let's be real. The whole scenario was contrived from start to finish.
But it was all onscreen. They basically control the place at the start of the mission. Thinking about it, if they hadn't had the misfortune of both the Shadow Broker and Shepard being in the same complex, they would've had the Archives on Mars on lock, too.
No we saw the result. Not the method. How the hell did they manage to take the Citadel which was already on a war footing, and likely on the lookout for sleeper agents (because, you know, indoctrination) And literally come within a few feet of assassinating the Council, the most powerful governing body in the galaxy?
These guys loose entire bases to their wacky mad science.
I'm not trying to be a Cerberus defender here, but I've got to mention that, until Shepard arrived, Cerberus pretty much had control of the Citadel.
They're consistently thwarted by one guy. That they brought back from the dead. Despite having an army the size of China's. If that isn't the very definition of incompetence I don't know what is.
I am not all defending Cerberus, but I am curious as to who you think is more formidable in comparison.
Shepard, a single person, is more formidable than all of Cerberus.
Yeah. I am sure they didn´t know if there would be a ME 2 or 3. The whole story isn´t well thought out. Mass Effect is all about "we will deal with it when we are at that point".
Still love it.
They knew from the beginning it would be a trilogy. They just didn't have the details planned.
The game they didn't know would get sequels was Dragon Age: Origins.
They didn't TAKE the Citadel onscreen. The sheer notion of Cerberus being able to take control of, and hold control of, the most well-guarded location in the entire galaxy is completely laughable.
200,000 C-Sec agents, a majority of whom are turian military, are unable to hold the station against Kai Leng and his 20 Good Men? I mean, come on. Let's be real. The whole scenario was contrived from start to finish.
Not to mention the big-@ss fleet outside, which almost certainly includes marines. And shuttles.
Shepard, a single person, is more formidable than all of Cerberus.
Shepard has lots of assistance from others and various resources given to him to be as formidable as he is.
My first thought when discussing Cerberus' onscreen competence and power is the Kai Leng fight on Thessia. I particularly like where you utterly destroy him, and then the game goes to cutscene where it makes you lose, and then the game makes you watch multiple scenes in which Shepard sulks about losing, and then the game makes you open Kai Leng's email in which he mocks you for losing.
All of that was a great way to experience a fight I won easily.
Same with Malak in Kotor.
I think it would make more sense to trigger those cutscenes if your Character loses a significant amount of health not the villian.
Otherwise the player feels cheated.
Except their origins have been twisted like silly putty to justify whatever story they are being put in. We are not talking about hidden knowledge. These are outright retcons.
Indeed in ME1 they were only a small rogue faction of the alliance, in ME2/3 they were a military power that rivaled them.
Yeah. I am sure they didn´t know if there would be a ME 2 or 3. The whole story isn´t well thought out. Mass Effect is all about "we will deal with it when we are at that point".
Still love it.
They did a fairly good job with it until Drew left and Dynamic Duo Casey+Mac went completely off the rails. Not saying Drew staying would have made the ending amazing, but I strongly doubt it would have been the trainwreck Casey and Mac sold us.
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