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[Cell1e]

So I have come back to DAO after a long time and in the course of playing through my favourite romance, the Alistair one, I asked him the question I usually avoided asking him in other playthroughs, bearing in mind he was at 100% love and HE had taken the romance to the 'bumping boots' stage.

 

So Alistair-Where do you see this going between us?

 

I was a bit annoyed and put off when he started the whole , erm I dont know, I might have to be King, repsonisbilites etc etc. I was annoyed there was no option to reply to him that he knew all this when he had intiated the bumping boots stuff in the first place. I can't remember in my other playthroughs feeling as annoyed with him as I do right now so Im guessing I have emerged from the honey moon stage with Alsitair and I am being slightly more critical of him as a man and a person.

 

So this brings me to Zevran the other choice, I was always put off him by his womanising ways but I do know he is an incredibly loyal friend, I always loved having him in the final scenes as his comments to the player character are very sweet.

 

I have told Zevran Im not interested in him (in my playtrhroughs I never two time)

 

But now Im so annoyed with Alistair Im want to finish with him and try romancing Zevran

 

Is this possible to do?

 

Has anyone else noticed what a jerk Alistair becomes when its time for commitment? Grrr

[kimgoold]

Was he hardened, because in my playthru I made him hardened and when it came to this conversation after the landsmeet, I said I wouldn't give him up no matter what and he said he wouldn't let Warden go either. And yes you can romance Zevran atleast if you don't outright reject him and more or less ignore his flirts until after you break up with Alistair. Thats what happened in my game anyway. Hope that helps.

[MouseHopper]

Yes, I too have noticed that Alistair becomes something of a wimp at the end.  However, I've played it through so many times that he did lose some of his luster for me ages ago.  I agree that Zev proved to be a very loyal friend although something of a womanizer.  I guess you have to decide just how serious you want your relationships to be.  You never mentioned relationships with any of the other women.  Have you ever considered that?  I usually play as a female and have tried relationships with everyone.  I have occasionally played as a male and also tried relationships with everyone, but find playing as a woman to be more rewarding.  My favorite is to play as a female warden with Morigan as my lover.  She is the toughest but the most interesting of the potential love interests.  The ending is different, but more fun I think.

 

In the beginning I too was a bit starry eyed over Alistair, and I still like his character, but he no longer interests me as a love interest.  Zev is a loyal pal, but a bit too flippant for my tastes.  Liliana never did much for me from the very beginning.  I could never trust her.  I find Morigan intriguing and very trustworthy once you have gained her trust and her love.  As far as I know none of the other followers are available as serious love interests.  As far as becoming queen at the end, I tried it.  It was not all that exciting; and going forward to other games it didn't matter that much.

 

Just some info on me.  I am a 70 year old straight female who is a hard core gamer with years of experience.  I just love this stuff!

[Fylimar]

I always preferred Zevran over Alistair. His romance is very well done. At the beginning, he isn't that ready to commitement (but he tells you so), but the longer you are together, the sweeter he becomes. I always wanted to try the other possible romances for females (which would be Alistair and Leliana), but I always end up with Zevran. So yes, I can recommend the Zevran romance

[Cell1e]

Was he hardened, because in my playthru I made him hardened and when it came to this conversation after the landsmeet, I said I wouldn't give him up no matter what and he said he wouldn't let Warden go either. And yes you can romance Zevran atleast if you don't outright reject him and more or less ignore his flirts until after you break up with Alistair. Thats what happened in my game anyway. Hope that helps.

 No he wasnt, I usually dont go that route with Alistair, maybe I should. I have a feeling it might be too late to romance Zevran as I told him I wasnt interested in an ealrier conversation Thanks for your reply!

 

Yes, I too have noticed that Alistair becomes something of a wimp at the end.  However, I've played it through so many times that he did lose some of his luster for me ages ago.  I agree that Zev proved to be a very loyal friend although something of a womanizer.  I guess you have to decide just how serious you want your relationships to be.  You never mentioned relationships with any of the other women.  Have you ever considered that?  I usually play as a female and have tried relationships with everyone.  I have occasionally played as a male and also tried relationships with everyone, but find playing as a woman to be more rewarding.  My favorite is to play as a female warden with Morigan as my lover.  She is the toughest but the most interesting of the potential love interests.  The ending is different, but more fun I think.

 

In the beginning I too was a bit starry eyed over Alistair, and I still like his character, but he no longer interests me as a love interest.  Zev is a loyal pal, but a bit too flippant for my tastes.  Liliana never did much for me from the very beginning.  I could never trust her.  I find Morigan intriguing and very trustworthy once you have gained her trust and her love.  As far as I know none of the other followers are available as serious love interests.  As far as becoming queen at the end, I tried it.  It was not all that exciting; and going forward to other games it didn't matter that much.

 

Just some info on me.  I am a 70 year old straight female who is a hard core gamer with years of experience.  I just love this stuff!

I used to be pretty starry eyed over Alistair too! I think I am prefering Cullen from DAI and making comparisons which probably isnt fair on Alistair as he is much younger, but still the shine has gone from Alistair for me this playthrough, I have considered romancing Liliana instead of Alistair and if Morrigan was interested in females I would also like her, she's interesting and intriguing as you have mentioned. Overall I prefer males to romance and I do think Zevran is deeper than Alistair thats for sure.

 

Oh andmousehopper its great to see other mature ladies playing games!. I am 49, happily married (straight) and love playing rpg games too! Thanks very much for your reply, Ive been annoyed all day about my realisations about Alistair, lol. Its been good to vent!

 

I always preferred Zevran over Alistair. His romance is very well done. At the beginning, he isn't that ready to commitement (but he tells you so), but the longer you are together, the sweeter he becomes. I always wanted to try the other possible romances for females (which would be Alistair and Leliana), but I always end up with Zevran. So yes, I can recommend the Zevran romance

Yes hes a very likeable rogue. I sure will give him a try in my next playthrough or in this one if I get a chance

[Fylimar]

A little update: I did the Alistair romance with my fTabris and I did ask that question too - and yes, his answer was very dissapointing. I was about to dump him , except that I wanted to finish this romance at least once. But for a character, who seems to be that sensible in other things, that was a very cruel response (especially when you know as player, that you would have get tons of disapproval, had this happened the other way around). Needless to say, that in my recent playthrough, it will be the Zevran romance again.

[sylvanaerie]

Nice to see other older ladies who play video games too.  I'm in my 50s and happily married and play Dragon Age, The Old Republic, Sims etc.  

I like the Alistair romance, and usually harden him so that question hasn't been much of an issue in the past for me.  It just reflects his lack of confidence when it comes to the future.  I think he's been trying to avoid thinking about it too much.  It certainly came into play in my fanfic where both my Surana and he ended the relationship for the good of Ferelden, and put him on the throne.

 

I love Morrigan and Zev but have never been able to complete their romances, as I find Morrigan too terrified of commitment and Zevran too flippant making both come off as a bit too shallow to me.  Don't get me wrong, I adore them as 'friends' to my warden, and Morrigan's dialogue with a male who befriends her is downright endearing to me, but they just aren't my cup of tea.

 

That said, it is possible to even turn Zev down as long as you don't ever use the line "Do you always stare at everyone like that?" since it's a romance starter, meant for you to continue all your standard dialogues with him without committing to the relationship.  I've read on the forums here of those who started with Alistair, got dumped at the Landsmeet and then picked up with Zev (kind of consolation around the campfire kind of thing).  As long as you leave that line untouched, it's possible to do so, and just trigger it when you're ready to pick up with Zev.  However, as I hear he has some good scenes prior to the Landsmeet, that may be a bit late to pick it up and still enjoy him to the fullest extent written for the player.

 

Morrigan is not romanceable with a female without using some kind of game altering mod (like Equal Love) which doesn't play nice with some of the dialogue fixes I ran so I never used something like that.

[WobbleLikeAJelly]

I found that conversation a bit off-putting, too. I took it as him being kind of afraid of what might separate them in the future. Duty as king, duty as Wardens, death...

I felt like he didn't want to think about it or discuss it, so he ended the conversation and gave me disapproval for bringing it up! It was an immature approach, but that's acceptable, to some extent, from Alistair. I didn't feel he was avoiding commitment, but rather avoiding addressing the harsh reality that they might never get the chance to commit.

That was my first (and only) impression of the exchange, at least. On my second playthrough, I never even chose that dialogue option because I didn't want the disapproval that came with it.

ETA:
I remembered after posting, I DID try the dialogue again, but picked a response similar to "We deal the the Blight first." That seemed to leave my approval unchanged, but it was already maxed out. Again, it made me feel like he just didn't want to think too far into the future, to finish the task at hand before hoping too hard for happiness. But that may be me reading too much into it. That's what I'm supposed to do, right?

[txchimama]

I really enjoy reading on here that other women my age enjoy RPG's as much as I do  . I'm also in my 50's,and  married (straight). I Love,love,love the Dragon Age games!!!!   I enjoy romancing Alistair & Zevran.  Y'all have a Merry Christmas!

[Cell1e]

A little update: I did the Alistair romance with my fTabris and I did ask that question too - and yes, his answer was very dissapointing. I was about to dump him , except that I wanted to finish this romance at least once. But for a character, who seems to be that sensible in other things, that was a very cruel response (especially when you know as player, that you would have get tons of disapproval, had this happened the other way around). Needless to say, that in my recent playthrough, it will be the Zevran romance again.

 

Yes I thought exactly the same. But the first times I played DAO I was so blown away by the whole game I just forgave Alistair for being 'Alistair' which is young and easily led and not very strong (in my opinion), at least until he is hardened a little which I never liked doing. I liked the Zevran romance a lot more when I realized these things. Thank you for your reply Fylimar!

 

Nice to see other older ladies who play video games too.  I'm in my 50s and happily married and play Dragon Age, The Old Republic, Sims etc.  

I like the Alistair romance, and usually harden him so that question hasn't been much of an issue in the past for me.  It just reflects his lack of confidence when it comes to the future.  I think he's been trying to avoid thinking about it too much.  It certainly came into play in my fanfic where both my Surana and he ended the relationship for the good of Ferelden, and put him on the throne.

 

I love Morrigan and Zev but have never been able to complete their romances, as I find Morrigan too terrified of commitment and Zevran too flippant making both come off as a bit too shallow to me.  Don't get me wrong, I adore them as 'friends' to my warden, and Morrigan's dialogue with a male who befriends her is downright endearing to me, but they just aren't my cup of tea.

 

That said, it is possible to even turn Zev down as long as you don't ever use the line "Do you always stare at everyone like that?" since it's a romance starter, meant for you to continue all your standard dialogues with him without committing to the relationship.  I've read on the forums here of those who started with Alistair, got dumped at the Landsmeet and then picked up with Zev (kind of consolation around the campfire kind of thing).  As long as you leave that line untouched, it's possible to do so, and just trigger it when you're ready to pick up with Zev.  However, as I hear he has some good scenes prior to the Landsmeet, that may be a bit late to pick it up and still enjoy him to the fullest extent written for the player.

 

Morrigan is not romanceable with a female without using some kind of game altering mod (like Equal Love) which doesn't play nice with some of the dialogue fixes I ran so I never used something like that.

 

I can see your point regarding Alistair, he sure lacks confidence in himself and his own abilities. He comes off to me as a lad of about 25 which is pretty young when it comes to making huge choices and he definitely isnt a person for going against tradition by the looks of things. I am trying not to be too hard on him. I enjoyed reading your response Sylvanaerie, many thanks

I found that conversation a bit off-putting, too. I took it as him being kind of afraid of what might separate them in the future. Duty as king, duty as Wardens, death...

I felt like he didn't want to think about it or discuss it, so he ended the conversation and gave me disapproval for bringing it up! It was an immature approach, but that's acceptable, to some extent, from Alistair. I didn't feel he was avoiding commitment, but rather avoiding addressing the harsh reality that they might never get the chance to commit.

That was my first (and only) impression of the exchange, at least. On my second playthrough, I never even chose that dialogue option because I didn't want the disapproval that came with it.

ETA:
I remembered after posting, I DID try the dialogue again, but picked a response similar to "We deal the the Blight first." That seemed to leave my approval unchanged, but it was already maxed out. Again, it made me feel like he just didn't want to think too far into the future, to finish the task at hand before hoping too hard for happiness. But that may be me reading too much into it. That's what I'm supposed to do, right?

 

Yes! I was the same as you in my first play-throughs I always went with the conversation choices that got the best response from Alistair, I just wanted his approval at any cost, but with my recent play-throughs I wanted to try different conversations and was a bit shocked at how annoying he could be at times, lol. But its a reflection on how well that game is made to think I am still making new discovery's after so many play-throughs. I just love that game! Thanks for your reply WobblelLikeAJelly!

 

I really enjoy reading on here that other women my age enjoy RPG's as much as I do  . I'm also in my 50's,and  Everyone have a married (straight). I Love,love,love the Dragon Age games!!!!   I enjoy romancing Alistair & Zevran.  Y'all have a Merry Christmas!

 

Me too, I am delighted to see that other woman are playing games well into our 'best years', I feel a bit isolated in my love of rpgs in my small country town in my very small country. I know no other woman who plays any games other than gummy drop and the like on their kindles or phones. Its lovely to hear from other lady gamers around the world.

Merry Christmas to you too txchimama!

[ArcadiaGrey]

First time I played Origins I fell for Alistair, but didn't have the heart to harden him   so I was super sad that he reacted that way.  I was an elf so I made sure he stayed a Warden so that I wouldn't have to go through him dumping me to be King.

 

Second time I wised up and clicked the hardening dialogue.  Have to say, even though it seems mean I think it's the right way to go with him.  He finds the guts to stick with you, saying he'll stand by you no matter what (or words to that effect) and is a stronger King with more confidence.  Honestly, in any future run where I'm friends or in love with Alistair I will always harden him no matter what.  It makes him grow up, but he doesn't lose his goofy personality.  

 

As for Zev, I tried that romance last time even though I never liked him.  I made a dwarf who thought he was super sexy (and so tall!) and I ended up loving it.  He's awesome if you give him a chance.  Add to that the plot flag mod fix for DA2, using it triggers Zev to remember the Warden.  His speech about how he still mourned for her put a lump in my throat, it was so sweet, and my little dwarf was smiling up at him from the stone. 

[Cell1e]

First time I played Origins I fell for Alistair, but didn't have the heart to harden him   so I was super sad that he reacted that way.  I was an elf so I made sure he stayed a Warden so that I wouldn't have to go through him dumping me to be King.

 

Second time I wised up and clicked the hardening dialogue.  Have to say, even though it seems mean I think it's the right way to go with him.  He finds the guts to stick with you, saying he'll stand by you no matter what (or words to that effect) and is a stronger King with more confidence.  Honestly, in any future run where I'm friends or in love with Alistair I will always harden him no matter what.  It makes him grow up, but he doesn't lose his goofy personality.  

 

As for Zev, I tried that romance last time even though I never liked him.  I made a dwarf who thought he was super sexy (and so tall!) and I ended up loving it.  He's awesome if you give him a chance.  Add to that the plot flag mod fix for DA2, using it triggers Zev to remember the Warden.  His speech about how he still mourned for her put a lump in my throat, it was so sweet, and my little dwarf was smiling up at him from the stone. 

 

Yes I was surprised by how loyal and sweet Zevran is. I enjoyed my recent play-through romancing him, he becomes so very lovable.

 

 

I always hated hardening Alistair and never would do it but I can see you are right, this would be better for him in the long run. I didn't quite make the connection between hardening him and him becoming more assertive and able to stand up for what he wants other than what is traditional or expected.

 

Maybe I will have another play-through with Alistair and try that with him.

 

Thanks for your reply Arcadia!

[Fehria]

Give the poor guy a break. He's 20 years old, spent half his life in a Chantry, and has never been in a relationship before. No guy wants to deal with this question, let alone an inexperienced church boy who has a Blight and a birthright to deal with, and no father figure to discuss his one manly feeling with. And he never got any meaningful dating advice from your companions, since all they do is pick on him. 

 

I've learned to just avoid asking him the question entirely, since there's really no need to make him stress about it now. I'd rather keep him focused on more important things and try to support him like a good girlfriend. I'm rather biased on the subject, but Alistair will forever have my heart

[MouseHopper]

I just re-checked this thread after a long time away.  Glad I did.  How wonderful to know that there are so many of us "women of a certain age" who love to play the Dragon Age games.  I had gone on to play many other games, but still come back to Dragon Age periodically.  I am now re-attempting Dragon Age Inquisitions for the second time.  My first attempt was when it first came out, and it was a disaster.  However, there have been many mods, patches and fixes now, and the game is much more playable.  So I am giving it a try again, and so for it is working out, and is a lot of fun.  So if any of you have not tried it yet, you might want to give it a whirl.  Alistair even makes a brief appearance, although he is not a playable character.  Liliana is a main character, but not anything like she was in DAO.  Cullen also has a main role to play in this one.  Both of them interact with your character, but in different ways from DAO.  You can romance Cullen, but not Liliana.  Oh, and Morrigan shows up too, but only for a brief while in one portion of the game.  I would recommend the game; but I still think DAO is my favorite.

[Ghost Gal]

To be fair to Alistair, whenever you talk about your relationship before the night of fun (and if you try to proposition him before he's ready) he says many times that he doesn't want to rush into anything because you're facing the end of the world, and he doesn't know what the future holds. If and when he finally asks you to spend the night, he admits up front that he'd wanted to wait but since you're facing the end of the world and don't know what the future holds, he realized that if he doesn't ask you now there probably won't be a chance in the future. Then you're mad at him afterwards because he once again says he doesn't want to make long-term plans because "we're facing the end of the world, I might become king, and we don't know what the future holds"? 

[nightscrawl]

^ Yeah, I've never taken that dialogue negatively. It actually reminds me of a similar conversation that you can have with Dorian (same writer). You can ask Dorian about "after." He has various Dorian-type responses depending on your choice, but ends with: "I… don’t know what the future holds. For us or anything. That’s my honest answer. Once Corypheus is defeated, when this is over… I’d like to talk about it more. If you would."

 

To me, this is the same thing for each man. Neither wants to make any definite plans when there is so much uncertainty (and Dorian has an additional element of insecurity). Alistair disapproves if you say, "We stay together, no matter what," and Dorian also disapproves if you say, "No games," and force him into a response.

 

This is actually a very adult way for Alistair to be looking at it.

[Vanilka]

I understand that reaction was disappointing, but I agree with what was said above. It's the precise reason I never ask that question because the Warden and Alistair must feel like they will be happy to live long enough to get to the Archdemon, let alone survive it. Then there's the issue of Eamon pushing Alistair to be king. At that point they don't know Anora will be an option and Eamon definitely doesn't see her as one. Alistair mentions during the romance that they "might not always be fighting (battles) together" (and that turns out to be very true eventually) and he musters courage to ask the Warden to sleep with him for the same reason, despite having wanted to wait for the perfect time and occasion at first. They're in a situation when they really don't know if they're going to see another day. Either of them could die at any point. We, as players, know they have some plot armour, but the Warden and Alistair don't have that kind of luxury. It's not a good time to think about the future together and while it's definitely an unpleasant answer, I agree with that, it's also a sensible and honest one. Saying, "I don't know," is perfectly understandable considering the circumstances, even if it's not nice to hear. He could be more reassuring, tell you that he'd try to stay with you if he could, but I think his answer reflects well his uncertainty about what is to come.

[MouseHopper]

I understand that reaction was disappointing, but I agree with what was said above. It's the precise reason I never ask that question because the Warden and Alistair must feel like they will be happy to live long enough to get to the Archdemon, let alone survive it. Then there's the issue of Eamon pushing Alistair to be king. At that point they don't know Anora will be an option and Eamon definitely doesn't see her as one. Alistair mentions during the romance that they "might not always be fighting (battles) together" (and that turns out to be very true eventually) and he musters courage to ask the Warden to sleep with him for the same reason, despite having wanted to wait for the perfect time and occasion at first. They're in a situation when they really don't know if they're going to see another day. Either of them could die at any point. We, as players, know they have some plot armour, but the Warden and Alistair don't have that kind of luxury. It's not a good time to think about the future together and while it's definitely an unpleasant answer, I agree with that, it's also a sensible and honest one. Saying, "I don't know," is perfectly understandable considering the circumstances, even if it's not nice to hear. He could be more reassuring, tell you that he'd try to stay with you if he could, but I think his answer reflects well his uncertainty about what is to come.

Good points, Vanilka.  They both sound like mature young men.

[Vanilka]

Good points, Vanilka.  They both sound like mature young men.

 

Thank you. You mean Alistair and the Warden? I also prefer to play a lady, actually. Well, in my main playthrough anyway. I have tried different characters, but Dalish lass that romances Alistair, when they both remain Wardens is my favourite one. Much like you, I also like to revisit DAO from time to time. It's still one of my favourite games.