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[Dunmer of Redoran]

I think EDI was alive.  But she was not human, and treating her as such is a disservice.  She does not feel or experience things the same way a human would.  Or, for that matter, a salarian, a krogan, or an asari.

 

If she and Joker think they can find happiness together, that's fine.  But she shouldn't have to become an oversexualized sex doll in order to achieve that happiness.

 

SImilarly, Legion did have a soul, but again, was not human.  More, it's mind wasn't even a singular entity.  The geth consensus is a truly alien mindset, with a truly alien perspective.  A pity they were reduced to Pinocchios

 

  Treating every species like one's own is racist. Even benign anthropomorphism

 

I think that's fair, too, and illustrates yet another way that Legion and EDI could have been treated by the player. I wonder if the BW writers thought that treating alien species as alien (no matter how alien they are) was racist in and of itself, hence what we got.

[Iakus]

I think that's fair, too, and illustrates yet another way that Legion and EDI could have been treated by the player. I wonder if the BW writers thought that treating alien species as alien (no matter how alien they are) was racist in and of itself, hence what we got.

Amusingly, that line I had in italics is a direct quote from Legion in ME2  

[Dunmer of Redoran]

Amusingly, that line I had in italics is a direct quote from Legion in ME2  

It is? Wow. It's just amazing how the quality of writing in ME3 dropped off from ME2. Maybe Dark Energy wasn't the answer to everything and didn't need to be, but there were plenty of nuanced stories that enriched the experience. A shame that almost all of them got dropped or turned around.

[Master Warder Z_]

I think that's fair, too, and illustrates yet another way that Legion and EDI could have been treated by the player. I wonder if the BW writers thought that treating alien species as alien (no matter how alien they are) was racist in and of itself, hence what we got.

Wouldn't it be species related and not race? Like who gives a crap about what colony of the hierarchy a Turian came from when you can dislike them on principle for being assholes who murdered people on a exploration mission?

Seriously though I think Bioware needs to actually approach this maturely and rationally rather worrying about what horrible names they'll be called by making pixels open to dislike or even outright hatred.

Which should be a option.

[Quarian Master Race]

It is? Wow. It's just amazing how the quality of writing in ME3 dropped off from ME2. Maybe Dark Energy wasn't the answer to everything and didn't need to be, but there were plenty of nuanced stories that enriched the experience. A shame that almost all of them got dropped or turned around.

Yeah, it's a response to the Renegade reply in support of destroying the toaster Heretics (which you should always do) during Legion's companion mission.



around the 2 minute mark

Legion was a much better character before ME3 and its Pinnochio syndrome. I didn't really like it because it was still a duplicitous synthetic bastard, but I at least had some respect for its perspectives and how it was written.
 

[Master Warder Z_]

Plus it didn't use that BS stuttering noise they normally use to communicate. Seriously all throughout Mass Effect every time the Geth did that I went like "What did you just call me?!"

[Keitaro57]

Well, it is not about the fact the player may romance a synthetic lifeform. No, for me it is about  : Will Bioware build a synthetic lifeform able to have feeling at all? Geth are extremly pragmatic and EDI is a one-of-a-kind AI that matured with a one-of-a-kind pilot with weird logic and 7000 TB of porn in his personnal Omitech. Here lies the problem : the artificial lifeform must be able to feel attachement not related to master/servant or user/tool. After all, the races in ME world don't have a lot of problem in interraces relationships, the only problem with the synthetic is their shadowly origins.

[Sartoz]

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@Jehovah Nissi

 

Only if you need a lube job, I guess.

[Killroy]

Sure, why not?
 

[PlatonicWaffles]

Sure! 

[Synthetic Turian]

Sure, why not?
 

 

Would wife.

[Master Warder Z_]

Will Bioware build a synthetic lifeform able to have feeling at all? 

 

That's the kicker isn't it? AI by their very natures are beings of pure data that only have access to and grow from preset conditions that present within the environment of their hardware. They aren't normal in the regard of adapting to normal life, because 'life' if you'd label that inorganic existence that is purely a reflection of math. For example I can design a Macro for a word document to automatically type out certain words when I press a labeled hotkey, now take this principle and apply to the rudimentary logic processes of a computer based being. 

 

Everything, every facet of interaction, from addressing a person to commenting on weather patterns will be dictated in this manner, preexisting experience or data. AI are capable of theoretically learning on their own, but data cannot be created in a vacuum, there has to be a viable experience for this if they go the 'pure' AI route although...there are methods of going around that. Persona did it with A.I.G.I.S by giving the AI in question a virtual human understanding of emotion, which results in infatuation and obsession with the protagonist. Ultimately though however they do it, they will have to circumvent the preset condition boundary for computer intelligence.

 

Either by having stimulus to invoke said condition or by introducing a element to bypass it. 

[Killroy]

Would wife.

 

I don't even remember what brand the car commercials this sexbot appeared in were for, I just remember wanting to bone a robot and the commercials explicitly making it seem like buying the car would get you a hot sexbot.

 

[Master Warder Z_]

Sexbots would simplify a romance I'd admit.

 

They'd already have all the preset conditions ready to go for physical companionship.

[Synthetic Turian]

I honestly believe if female robots were capable of child birth, the 100% female human population would see a severe decline.

[Synthetic Turian]

I don't even remember what brand the car commercials this sexbot appeared in were for, I just remember wanting to bone a robot and the commercials explicitly making it seem like buying the car would get you a hot sexbot.

 

 

 l love her.

 

And I can even program her to never be sexually engaged with any other man. Hopefully, she won't get hacked. 

[Master Warder Z_]

 l love her.

 

And I can even program her to never be sexually engaged with any other man. Hopefully, she won't get hacked. 

 

It.

[Synthetic Turian]

It.

 

I stand corrected. 

[Master Warder Z_]

I stand corrected. 

 

Indeed, most constructs aren't advanced enough to be bothered with gender based labeling, save on perhaps appearance. Notable exceptions exist, but they aren't common place, and none have been present in Mass Effect.

 

That'd be the field of Starwars, Star Trek, Persona and Metal Gear Solid.

[Killroy]

We sexy robot now

 

[Master Warder Z_]

Throw some fake skin on that please ugh

[Killroy]

Throw some fake skin on that please ugh

 

Bro, who are you trying to fool? Me or yourself?

 

[KaiserShep]

I honestly believe if female robots were capable of child birth, the 100% female human population would see a sever decline.

 

But if more men were getting down with fembots and having their horrible cyborg babies, wouldn't the 100% human population in total see a steady decline? After all, those guys are gonna be replaced by cyborgs when they die. 

[Kalas Magnus]

look at that shine on her surface

 

must be right out of the factory

 

[Synthetic Turian]

Nah. I need something I can grip.