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[Arcian]

And more importantly she identifies as female even if she rationally knows she is not biologically female.

Yeah. Biological sex is only relevant for reproduction, anyway.

[Zehealingman]

Curie?

Curie.

[Arcian]

Curie?
Curie.

I can't not romance her.

[daveliam]

I have to say that I had virtually no interest in this topic until I met Danse in FO 4 and now I'm very much okay with it.

[Steelcan]

All I'll say is that I'm very tired of this argument about synthetics being human or not. In the ME universe the question has been answered to a resounding yes, its time to move. Having a synthetic romance option is OK, but I'd prefer them to be more in the vein of a true synthetic person rather than an organic in all ways that matter.

[Shechinah]

All I'll say is that I'm very tired of this argument about synthetics being human or not. In the ME universe the question has been answered to a resounding yes, its time to move. Having a synthetic romance option is OK, but I'd prefer them to be more in the vein of a true synthetic person rather than an organic in all ways that matter.

 

It'd be nice with a synthetic romance option that is fine with being not-so-human and is a romance option despite being in a state like pre-Eve Edi. It'd be interesting with a reverse mission where you have to convince the synethetic character's creator to not make them more human because the synethetic character does not want to. Bonus if the synethetic character talks less formal this time around.

 

The half-joking snippet;

 

Creator: "I can built you a body of your own with-"

Synethetic!Character: "Nah, I'm good but thanks. I'm kind of digging this immunity to diseases thing, inability to suffocate in space and don't even get me started on all of the literal self-modifications I can do; Did you know my software is compatabile with the special division's prototype tank? I know what I'll be trying when they go on lunch break. If I get caught, I'll just tell them I was told to test drive it and falsify the order"

Creator: "I, uh, okay."

Synethetic!Character: "Not to mention the ability to download myself into enemy hardware and surprise the hell out of them. It's even better when you get them with the Classic coffee machine ruse! Ahh, memories."

Creator: "But what about your relationship with Ryder? Don't you want to experience what it is like to hold their hand or hold them?"

Ryder: "Oh, we're good, actually. Just needed a bit of creativity"

Synethetic!Character: "You know how I can connect from range to team suits to provide improved field assistance? We just use that along with a modified version of the quarian nerve-stim program to simulate hugs and stuff."

[Shechinah]

I have to say that I had virtually no interest in this topic until I met Danse in FO 4 and now I'm very much okay with it.

 

I love how they did it with Danse especially the identity crisis portion since he had no idea he was synthetic and had adopted a culture that had clear anti-synthetic sentiments. He was outright willing to stand by these sentiments even if it meant his death and even if he was convinced to recognise the flaw in those sentiments, it did not solve his identity crisis which made sense. He wants to go back to being human but recognises that he cannot and seems to realize albeit slowly that he does not need to be human to be a person.

 

I've yet to meet Curie so I cannot say anything about her in this regard though I do love her french accent so she's already got points on that alone.
 

[Battlebloodmage]

I love how they did it with Danse especially the identity crisis portion since he had no idea he was synthetic and had adopted a culture that had clear anti-synthetic sentiments. He was outright willing to stand by these sentiments even if it meant his death and even if he was convinced to recognise the flaw in those sentiments, it did not solve his identity crisis which made sense. He wants to go back to being human but recognises that he cannot and seems to realize albeit slowly that he does not need to be human to be a person.

 

I've yet to meet Curie so I cannot say anything about her in this regard though I do love her french accent so she's already got points on that alone.
 

I feel like Danse has the most glitches and shortcoming out of the companions. If you did his personal quest and destroy the BoS, you can no longer intereact with him or even trad . At least make him attack me if he made, it's weird to se him has no voice clips and you can only trade with him. He turns out to be a synth has no changes whatsoever, with Curie, there are a lot more comments being made by NPCs and companions about it. He still talks about synth badly and want to destroy them all. Once you did femShep's approval quest, she at least has some changes in her approval system. With Danse, nothing changes. His story about being a synth could have been so much better. 

[Kynare]

Parts are interchangeable. We're not limited like some species...

 

 

Hajime Sorayama.

 

@OP

I was raised with a lot of games and shows that depict AI/human relationships. Like .hack, Star Trek, Ghost in the Shell, etc. Also just robot characters in general. Gretel from TimeSplitters was one of my absolute favorite characters as a kid.

 

I think robots and androids are cool. And AIs cooler. So I totally approve of having a synthetic LI option.

[Hazegurl]

I feel like Danse has the most glitches and shortcoming out of the companions. If you did his personal quest and destroy the BoS, you can no longer intereact with him or even trad . At least make him attack me if he made, it's weird to se him has no voice clips and you can only trade with him. He turns out to be a synth has no changes whatsoever, with Curie, there are a lot more comments being made by NPCs and companions about it. He still talks about synth badly and want to destroy them all. Once you did femShep's approval quest, she at least has some changes in her approval system. With Danse, nothing changes. His story about being a synth could have been so much better. 

That's disappointing.

[Asari Goddess]

Now the world has resulted to romancing sexbots

 

Oh my

 

[Suketchi]

I'd be all for romancing a synthetic (especially if it were it's own life-form: not having been created by means of another species' technological advancement, but a sapient species in themselves... like the Transformers). Like any romance, it would depend on how well it was written and the character in question, but I think Bioware could make it work. 

[Iakus]

I love how they did it with Danse especially the identity crisis portion since he had no idea he was synthetic and had adopted a culture that had clear anti-synthetic sentiments. He was outright willing to stand by these sentiments even if it meant his death and even if he was convinced to recognise the flaw in those sentiments, it did not solve his identity crisis which made sense. He wants to go back to being human but recognises that he cannot and seems to realize albeit slowly that he does not need to be human to be a person.

 

I've yet to meet Curie so I cannot say anything about her in this regard though I do love her french accent so she's already got points on that alone.
 

 

That sounds very much like Valentine.  He's a synth who has got the memories of a police detective from the old world, and is struggling with his personal identity.  Separating himself from the man two centuries dead.

 

Great line when his personal quest is done:

 

Spoiler

Because I WAS Nick Valentine.  I had his memories.  His fears.  All that poor bastard's hope.  I remember getting the call to head to some lab in Cambridge to get that neurotrans-whatever.  And the next thing I know, I'm in a trash heap, my family, my home, my entire life, gone.  Then I discover, all those things, they weren't even mine.  Everything I ever was belonged to Nick.  I'd hoped with Winter gone, the last hint of that old world snuffed out, I could finally be free.  But being out here with you, what I finally realized after all this time was that taking down Winter, it wasn't about Nick or Jenny or even you or me.  It was about justice, about doing what's right.  And that act of goodness, that's ours.  All the good we've done.  That's ours and ours alone.  And even if that's the only thing in this world I can ever claim as mine, not Nick's, not the Institute's, but mine, then I can die happy.

 

Of course he's not romanceable.

[Shechinah]

That sounds very much like Valentine.  He's a synth who has got the memories of a police detective from the old world, and is struggling with his personal identity.  Separating himself from the man two centuries dead.

 

Great line when his personal quest is done:

 

 

Yeah, poor Nick. He knows he is not the original Nick Valentine and as you say, he still struggles with his personal identity, likely because of how much of himself were based off of the original Nick Valentine. All of the things in his life that developed the original Nick Valentine into the person he was were also things that Nick remembers meaning he had the same development. Even with post-far character development and even with his own friends and an agency of his own, he still has trouble feeling like his own person which make sense especially considering there are many aspects of his personality that he does not wish to change like his sense of justice and dedication towards it and doing good in general. He can become an entirely different person than the original Nick Valentine and separate himself entirely from that identity but that would likely mean becoming a person Nick would not like to be.  

 

That's not even scratching the surface of how hard it would be to cope with memories that for all intents and purposes are your own; It's hard to distance yourself from the memory of a loss that wasn't your own when you remember the pain of it like it was.  It's hard to stop thinking of people as your parents when you have a lifetime of memories of them raising and loving you and you loving them back.   

 

While there were some flaws, I have generally liked how Fallout 4 has the approached the subject of synthetics.  

 

I like how there were no easy resolution to some of the problems  the characters were facing because they are not the kind of issues that can be easily resolved. They are the kind that takes time to come to terms with and might still trouble even after all of that time. Sure, it can be argued that this is caused by the followers having limited conversations with the player character but I still like it a lot though it would be neat if any of the DLC added some more conversations. It would be nice to try and help followers a bit with their on-going issues even if it is just emotional support like helping Hancock cope with what seems to be a guilt complex or Danse with identity struggle. 
 

[Master Warder Z_]

And more importantly she identifies as female even if she rationally knows she is not biologically female.

That literally means less then nothing to me given its a bunch of scrap metal.

At least Guri was more then just a tin can with Reaper code

[kathic]

Toasters aren't people. Plus they will eventually exterminate the human race with nukes and what not. You can't trust em.

[Asari Goddess]

Toasters aren't people. Plus they will eventually exterminate the human race with nukes and what not. You can't trust em.

 

Humans need to read Quarian history.

 

Quarians learned that the hard way

 

UGh humans these days... 

[shodiswe]

You never had a chance with Legion, even if Legion stalked you like you were a pop star or something.. Legion seemed more interested in EDI.... EDI however had other interests.

[Asari Goddess]

You never had a chance with Legion, even if Legion stalked you like you were a pop star or something.. Legion seemed more interested in EDI.... EDI however had other interests.

 

Hmmmm what can your possibly mean...

 

 

 

Shhhhh i secretly like Legion more then what i'm suppose to

[Panda]

Toasters aren't people. Plus they will eventually exterminate the human race with nukes and what not. You can't trust em.

 

That's one interpretation, another is coexistence and they are both used in fictions. Both are even used in Mass Effect, Reapers claiming that synthetics will always rebel against creators (exactly what reapers are doing I guess), Geth and EDI proving you otherwise in same game.

[Nohvarr]

Humans need to read Quarian history.

 

Quarians learned that the hard way

 

UGh humans these days... 

Which part should we learn from...the part where the Quarians over reacted and started a war the Geth didn't want and a few even tried to sacrifice themselves to prevent, the part where the Geth still loved their creators and were willing to reconcile if they'd just stop shooting them, the part where the Quarians drive desperate Geth into the arms of an enemy to all life, or the part where a human can work out a mutually beneficial peace between the two that results in the Quarians returning to their homeworld?

[Vortex13]

Okay so we had an AI using a sexbot body for a "romance" but what about an organic mind inside of a robotic tank, would that be considered a synthetic?

 

At what point would an organic replacing their natural components become a synthetic? If they had something done like the Full Droid Conversion in Cyberpunk where you are essentially just a brain in a jar, and can be slotted into various modular shells; the majority of which are non-human; would that make the person in question a synthetic? And then if this person was a potential romance option, would that make it a "synthetic romance"?

[Gileadan]

Humans need to read Quarian history.

 

Quarians learned that the hard way

 

UGh humans these days... 

Thou shalt not forget the killswitch.

[Asari Goddess]

Which part should we learn from...the part where the Quarians over reacted and started a war the Geth didn't want and a few even tried to sacrifice themselves to prevent, the part where the Geth still loved their creators and were willing to reconcile if they'd just stop shooting them, the part where the Quarians drive desperate Geth into the arms of an enemy to all life, or the part where a human can work out a mutually beneficial peace between the two that results in the Quarians returning to their homeworld?

 

The part that Quarians own creations went against them even though they where created to be just mere tools for the Quarians themselves. The part the war started because the Quarian government seen how the geth were evolving and sought to stop it. The part they payed the price for playing with synthetic life negligently allowing their own creations known as geth to become more then just an artificial intelligence. The part that the geth became smart enough to take their home world or the part that because creating those geth was also a violation of Council law, the citadel refused to give them aid. Please it was inevitable 

[Nohvarr]

The part that Quarians own creations went against them even though they where created to be just mere tools for the Quarians themselves.

Ummm, the Quarians struck first, attacking the Geth and those Quarians willing to defend the Geth. In fact some Geth were willing to die to save their creators....so the lesson there...don't panick.

 

The part the war started because the Quarian government seen how the geth were evolving and sought to stop it.

 

Correct, humanity shouldn't have a knee jerk reaction to Synthetic life, and thus formulate a more measured, reasonable response

 

The part they payed the price for playing with synthetic life negligently allowing their own creations known as geth to become more then just an artificial intelligence.

 

They paid the price for reacting first and thinking later. The Geth had no interest in harming the Quarians at first, that came after being attacked.

 

The part that the geth became smart enough to take their home world

 

.....the Quarians fled, and the Geth let them go, not exactly the same thing.

 

the part that because creating those geth was also a violation of Council law,

 

The same council that absolutely refused to hear Sheprd out on the Reapers until they were knocking on the galaxy's door? The Council dosen't have the greatest track record.

 

the citadel refused to give them aid

 

Another poor council decision.

 

Please it was inevitable

 

It was fully preventable, but fear ruled the Quarians and that fear was unfounded and resulted in them being banished when it didn't have to happen.