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[Synthetic Turian]

Geth Devastator Unit (Fan Art):

 

 

 

Yeah.

 

Bring back the Geth. I don't care which side they're on. I think their future tech would be insanely dangerous.

[KaiserShep]

"Cerberus isn't just an organization or the people behind it. Cerberus is an idea. That idea is not so easily destroyed."

 

He says as they're being wiped out. Anyway, the Cerberus logo should be regarded like the swastika after the events of the reaper war. Anything remotely Cerberus-related that survived the events of the Milky Way would have likely abandoned TIM's BS factory. 

[Master Warder Z_]

He says as they're being wiped out. Anyway, the Cerberus logo should be regarded like the swastika after the events of the reaper war, and the holdouts, or NeoCerbs, treated like backwater scuzzclowns. 

 

Invoking Godwin?

 

Ideological differences I suppose do create contempt. Perhaps its despised by non humans, perhaps its frowned upon by legal institutions, that doesn't negate that its a stance and a popular one.

 

Besides you are never given a even rough estimate of numbers, resources and material wealth beyond EDI's own assessment on what was stored in memory. I'd honestly be surprised if there were no adherents left. Original or no.

[Synthetic Turian]

He says as they're being wiped out. Anyway, the Cerberus logo should be regarded like the swastika after the events of the reaper war. Anything remotely Cerberus-related that survived the events of the Milky Way would have likely abandoned TIM's BS factory. 

 

Meanwhile, the racist group known as the KKK, still exists to this day.

 

They still ignorantly brandish the swastika, and they do so with great pride.

[Master Warder Z_]

Meanwhile, the racist group known as the KKK, still exists to this day.

 

*Coughs*

 

Cerberus is backed by Billionaires in the Military Industrial Complex and high ranking Alliance Officials.

 

._.

 

It isn't a group of militia that get drunk every other weekend and burn a cross.

 

The nerve of that comparison.

[Synthetic Turian]

*Coughs*

 

Cerberus is backed by Billionaires in the Military Industrial Complex and high ranking Alliance Officials.

 

._.

 

It isn't a group of militia that get drunk every other weekend and burn a cross.

 

The nerve of that comparison.

 

Just sayin. 

 

Besides, we all know what Cerberus would rather do: Create biotic torture camps for human children. 

[Dantriges]

I'd suspect remnants that piggybacked into the Alliance portion of the project. Despite their fleet, despite their soldiers and equipment that has always been their strength, their ability to have agents placed in even the most classified of Alliance projects.

 

Even they should have gotten the message that sporting the Cerberus logo would be a bad idea and hide behind something else like Terra Firma or so. If the ark left sometime in ME 3 the last thing Cerberus was known for, was something like abducting humans, attacking human colonies, shooting their own sleeper agents and doing nothing like trying to defend humans from the Reaper threat or so, but outfitting their goons with Reapertech mindcontrol stuff. If the ARK left after Horizon, it´s quite possible that they picked up Miranda´s lovely message. Even your most diehard human supremacist would probably think twice before joining an organisation that puts electrodes in his brain so he can become a mindless slave to an organisation that made a complete 180 degrees turn when filthy xenos invaded Earth.  

 

"Hi, we are Cerberus and we secure human´s place at the top spot and protect humanity from filthy aliens, unless we are in bed with them and invade human colonies, so we can put alientech into your friend´s brains."

 

Yep, that will fly, I can already see long lines of humans just waiting to join.

 

So well, human supremacists will probably not go away, but slapping on the Cerberus logo would be the dumbest thing they could do. It´s not like "oh this kind of thinking will totally go away," they simply discredited themselves like a white supremacist group , which is also  working for a racial equality panel, hunting white people.

[Master Warder Z_]

So well, human supremacists will probably not go away, but slapping on the Cerberus logo would be the dumbest thing they could do.

 

I'd disagree given that the name has impact, history and renown.

 

You forget that perspective distorts 'history'.  The prior incarnation of Cerberus achieved acclaim because they protected Humanity from the Collectors, the fact they were using reaper technology wasn't widely known, nor was their usage of indoctrination on their own forces.  The player knows these things, but Shepard only learned of them, late into the game, with no mention of anything relating to it afterwards of it was known amongst others or not, EDI stated it was used, not that the information was public knowledge.

 

Also the Horizon broadcast from sanctuary was planetary only, Also I'd personally be surprised if that facility was still standing a week after Shepard departed, Cerberus is known for leaving its information and resources in other hands. All it would take is a few minutes of bombardment from a Cruiser and that place and its secrets are buried beyond those who are already knew them.

 

If information is lost then you'd be surprised by how sentiment can shift.

[Master Warder Z_]

Just sayin. 

 

Besides, we all know what Cerberus would rather do: Create biotic torture camps for human children. 

 

*snorts* It was done when there was no real understanding of human biotics, that experimentation predates the Alliance BAAT training camp and the Ascension project. It's not like it was done in 2183 or anything.

 

That horror show would have needed to be done anyway just to get a grasp of how to successfully create implants, measure biotic ability and etc.

[Synthetic Turian]

*snorts* It was done when there was no real understanding of human biotics, that experimentation predates the Alliance BAAT training camp and the Ascension project. It's not like it was done in 2183 or anything.

 

That horror show would have needed to be done anyway just to get a grasp of how to successfully create implants, measure biotic ability and etc.

 

This guy.   You sound like a Cerberus lawyer.

[Master Warder Z_]

This guy.   You sound like a Cerberus lawyer.

 

 

[SNascimento]

Fits right in with Andromeda. 

[Malanek]

I'd disagree given that the name has impact, history and renown.

 

You forget that perspective distorts 'history'.  The prior incarnation of Cerberus achieved acclaim because they protected Humanity from the Collectors, the fact they were using reaper technology wasn't widely known, nor was their usage of indoctrination on their own forces.  The player knows these things, but Shepard only learned of them, late into the game, with no mention of anything relating to it afterwards of it was known amongst others or not, EDI stated it was used, not that the information was public knowledge.

 

Also the Horizon broadcast from sanctuary was planetary only, Also I'd personally be surprised if that facility was still standing a week after Shepard departed, Cerberus is known for leaving its information and resources in other hands. All it would take is a few minutes of bombardment from a Cruiser and that place and its secrets are buried beyond those who are already knew them.

 

If information is lost then you'd be surprised by how sentiment can shift.

They staged a bloody coup on the Citadel. That history isn't so easily wiped away. I believe they would continue to exist in some shape or form. But publicly they wouldn't be called Cerberus. And no, I still don't think it makes any sense for them to be in Andromeda. They are not omnipotent and they were focused elsewhere.

[Degrees1991]

*Coughs*

Cerberus is backed by Billionaires in the Military Industrial Complex and high ranking Alliance Officials.

._.

It isn't a group of militia that get drunk every other weekend and burn a cross.

The nerve of that comparison.

Nice way of stereotyping the KKK. They have businesses as well and high ranking members in different places of society.

[Master Warder Z_]

Nice way of stereotyping the KKK. They have businesses as well and high ranking members in different places of society.

 

I wouldn't know about that, I am not affiliated with them.

 

Good to know though.

[KaiserShep]

Nice way of stereotyping the KKK. They have businesses as well and high ranking members in different places of society.

 

Well, some detritus does float to the top. 

[Master Warder Z_]

They staged a bloody coup on the Citadel.

 

Yup.

 

Which is primarily dominated both in population and political authority by-aliens.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Fits right in with Andromeda. 

Apparently our rightful place was the Reaper's clutches.

[Quarian Master Race]

Nice way of stereotyping the KKK. They have businesses as well and high ranking members in different places of society.

Pray tell, where? I know that there was the recent story about some idiots at Anon who"implicated" a few people like Jim Gray ( a gay Democratic party mayor from Kentucky) and Madeline Rogero (a Catholic, progressive Democrat senator) whom the actual KKK would just as soon lynch if they could, but no actual evidence of any infiltration.

AFAIK they are just a couple thousand redneck bumpkins that no one takes seriously. It should be noted that they were a fairly big deal back in the early 1920's, though even then political elites weren't openly supporting their terrorism (and indeed most were actually criticizing them).

[Dantriges]

You forget that perspective distorts 'history'.  The prior incarnation of Cerberus achieved acclaim because they protected Humanity from the Collectors, the fact they were using reaper technology wasn't widely known, nor was their usage of indoctrination on their own forces.  The player knows these things, but Shepard only learned of them, late into the game, with no mention of anything relating to it afterwards of it was known amongst others or not, EDI stated it was used, not that the information was public knowledge.

 

Also the Horizon broadcast from sanctuary was planetary only, Also I'd personally be surprised if that facility was still standing a week after Shepard departed, Cerberus is known for leaving its information and resources in other hands. All it would take is a few minutes of bombardment from a Cruiser and that place and its secrets are buried beyond those who are already knew them.

 

Every cerberus trooper had implants for integration, we knew that since Mars. Cerberus troops got shot all over the galaxy, they also invaded Eden Prime and abducted people from Benning. I am pretty sure that Cerberus troops have funky implants stuff is probably widely known and if it´s just so soldiers know not to tamper with that unknown stuff. They also showed up everywhere and fought against the Alliance or/and Council species.  This fighter base on Noveria was a big enough nuisance to take it out for example.

So yeah there, this thing about forgetting about perspective. Well, Cerberus stopped the Collectors six months ago who threatened fringe colony worlds. Funny thing is, even people from Thessia know of your trial and that Shep was affiliated with Cerberus. So unless Shep´s lawyer is a ****** he would probably point out that you were the commanding officer who did this feat (not much use denying that you were in league with Cerberus after getting arrested in a ship who has the logo plastered all over it). Throw in some Fehl Prime and James blowing up a Collector ship and this whole thing sounds like baseless Cerberus propaganda. Nice, they gave Shep their ship but it was still the Commander who saved the day or so. So after the day, you killed the Collectors, they killed the pope.

 

About perspective again. Let´s say, people do associate Cerberus with taking down the  Collectors six months ago.Yay Cerberus! Six months later, when this galaxy wide disaster happens, Cerberus abducts people and invades Eden Prime, which is located close to Terra Nova, two of humanity´s biggest colonies. I think most people will probably rather remember that than them doing something right for once. or to put it into perspective, I don´t care if the guys who torched my home, kidnapped friends or loved ones or put me into some labor camp were heroes once. And well they hit the Citadel, don´t think that Bekenstein found weakening the defenses in their own cluster was an act benefitting them, besides quite a lot of humans were killed on the Citadel and their own sleeper agents by their own troops, deliberately. Perhaps covert Cerberus operatives don´t care about the aliens on the Citadel but getting shot for loyal service? Yeees, thanks, where do I quit?

 

Horizon Hm, so it´s local in your opinion?  I am pretty sure Miranda used the long range comm systems the facility had. You got a local message when you arrived and she didn´t have access to the command center. And unless you kicked her out, you have an embedded journalist who broadcasts galaxywide and IIRC she talks about Horizon in game. Well, a Cerberus cruiser bombing Horizon? Hm k, sure, last I heard they were scurrying back to Chronos, because the Alliance came to pay a visit.

 

I dunno if the Cerberophiles in the BW writing department slowly came to their senses, I hope so, because pulling some kind of "yeah ok you in front of the screen knows, but you character has no clue" would be a bad move.Ok if we exclude the 5% or so Cerberus apologists here, who would cheer, but well seems even if TIM ordered Earth and al colonies bombed with asteroids killing everyone, they would still think it´s for the best of humanity.

 

So IMO any human supremacist would probably use something else as their label, especially if they want to attract "human first but no need to be mean" dudes.

[Kalas Magnus]

so ships with the cerberus logo have been leaked. this is good news.

[Synthetic Turian]

so ships with the cerberus logo have been leaked. this is good news.

 

Very good news indeed. 

[Mdizzletr0n]

No Alliance? Well, the trailer shows a character with N7 armor. So. unless it was some kind of throwback replica armor, I think there's a strong chance that the Systems Alliance still exists.

I'm curious though as to why you don't want to see the Alliance?


Maybe thats a perfect reason for them to return. You clearly have hate invested.

Because they were absolutely useless without Shepard?

[Master Warder Z_]

So IMO any human supremacist would probably use something else as their label, especially if they want to attract "human first but no need to be mean" dudes.

In your opinion sure.

Seen very little to collaborate with it though beyond just personal opinion and that's the problem.

Alien loving traitors to the species can spew their vitriol but that's all it is.

There isn't much to mandate anything resembling a definitive answer.

[Dantriges]

Alien loving traitors to the species can spew their vitriol but that's all it is.

Cerberus operatives can spew vitriol? Was that in the latest reapertech slave upgrade? At least you get something for selling out to the cuttlefish. That´s nice.