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[Shizukai]

It has probalby been discussed before, but I wanted to share a thought that crossed my mind today.

 

In Trespasser, Solas explains, that he was "just Solas" once. A stand-alone and independent being.

Fen'Harel came "later".

 

I'm wondering if there's a line to draw between these two beings.

And maybe If we are about to seperate them in DA4. For punshining (yet not inevitably killing) Fen'Harel

and being confonted with "just an elven mage"-Solas.

 

I really do believe (or want to believe) that it was "Solas"-Solas who was our companion during DAI.

And that it is "Fen'Harel"-Solas who is blind for the beauty of the world and sees no other way for saving  the elves than going for something that would probably destroy the Thedas we all know.

 

Yet again, he is the master of deception, so maybe there is no line to draw and only one mind, connected for all eternity.

 

 

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Thanks for reading.

[berelinde]

When Solas says that he was "Solas first," I interpreted that to mean that he "grew into" the rebel god aspect of his character. He isn't possessed by another entity's essence the way Mythal was. It's just that as his power grew and he began attracting a following, his followers and rivals ascribed traits and attributes to him that were not part of his original nature. In other words, he gained a reputation.

[thats1evildude]

I believe what Solas said about his youth is mostly correct. He grew up in a small rural village of no consequence — even the ancient elves must have had them — and spent much of his time exploring the Fade. Eventually, he grew in power and influence to the point where he was equal in power to the other "gods." He was named to the ranks of the Evanuris, although he remained the "outsider" of their ranks working to undo their tyranny.

[Aren]

It means that Solas can't use the old excuses of mages if he will start a genocide which is basically:

"a demon make me do it"

[Wren]

No, because you can ask him if he's like Flemythal, and he says no, that's he's always been as he is today.  There is some evidence (via something Cole says) that Solas was once a spirit who took corporeal form to serve Mythal when she summoned him.

[Corades]

Solas is basically the Robin Hood of Arlathan. 

[earthboyjak]

Yeah, he states pretty clearly that it's just him in there. He's not like Flemeth or Anders or anything. He is fully responsible for and conscious of everything he says and does.

[Shizukai]

Interesting, I might got this wrong then.. or at least understood it somewhat different.
Thanks for clearing this up for me.

 

But I want to hold on to this, somehow.. I like the idea.

[Gervaise]

He has always been as he is; although I'm not sure exactly what that is.   I think the ancient elves were spirits made flesh, which is why Mythal could continue to exist as a spirit.    So Solas is the original spirit in his original body.    However, I do think there is something holding him to his purpose; some sort of geas.   

 

One of the unreadable texts, that you can translate if you drink from the Well, mentions a servant of Dirthamen who was accused of high treason for taking on the form reserved for the gods (that of a dragon?) at the urging of Ghilan'nain.   He appealed to Mythal for protection but she refused (may be seeing that he did it out of Pride) and handed him over to Elgar'nan for judgement.    Now in modern Thedas the punishment for treason is death but may be things were different under the Evanuris.   What if Elgar'nan punished him with a geas that restricted him to only one form as designated by Mythal to whom he was bound in service as a guardian.    So Mythal made him guard her in the form of a wolf.  

 

There is also an interesting line in the Canticle of Shartan (much of which is probably not about Shartan at all but part of an earlier Dalish folk tale about a trickster warrior who fought against tyrants).    So if the tale is really about Fen'Harel and Mythal, there is a rather interesting line where Fen'Harel has just saved Mythal during a battle with their enemies' forces (those of the evanuris?)    In the Canticle Andraste hands Shartan a sword but I wonder if in the original it was actually an orb.  The words that follow are: "Take this, my champion, and free our people forever."     Could this have been a commandment placed upon Fen'Harel by Mythal just before she was betrayed and murdered?    So Solas is bound by this to strive forever for the freedom of their people.

 

In which case, saving Solas might involve persuading him that destroying the world would not free their people from bondage or finding some other way to break his geas.    That he is under some sort of compulsion might at least explain why he was so upset if you drank from the Well.    Also why he could not drink, since he was already bound.

[wtfman99]

I played through Trespasser again yesterday on alternate character, and still really stumped as to why Mythal and Fen'Harel statues are in the Deep Roads. 

 

Also noticed that some ruins in the Veil area or whatever had random Orbs laying around (like the one Solas gave to Cory) and some random Mythal statues. I feel like there is a lot of weirdness going on we just can't see the whole picture. 

[Shizukai]

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Wow, I'm impressed.
I used to consider myself as someone who got a clue regarding Thedas and the DA lore. You guys
are proving me wrong over and over again. Don't get me wrong: It's a good thing, I'm really happy
I joined this community.

 

Great post, thanks for widening my view and for enhancing my knowledge (and therefore my gaming-experience regarding DA).
 

[LightningPoodle]

It would be like, "I was a farmer first. Royalty came later." I'm reminded of Ragnar Lothbrok from the show, Vikings. He started out as a farmer. He never wanted to be a king, but eventually, he does, simply because it falls on him from varying circumstances.

The same could go for Solas. He started out as a man who wanted to simply do good, and not be recognised for it. Eventually, over time, things happen and he has to become something that he didn't want, but is necessary.

[Addictress]

He has always been as he is; although I'm not sure exactly what that is. I think the ancient elves were spirits made flesh, which is why Mythal could continue to exist as a spirit. So Solas is the original spirit in his original body. However, I do think there is something holding him to his purpose; some sort of geas.

One of the unreadable texts, that you can translate if you drink from the Well, mentions a servant of Dirthamen who was accused of high treason for taking on the form reserved for the gods (that of a dragon?) at the urging of Ghilan'nain. He appealed to Mythal for protection but she refused (may be seeing that he did it out of Pride) and handed him over to Elgar'nan for judgement. Now in modern Thedas the punishment for treason is death but may be things were different under the Evanuris. What if Elgar'nan punished him with a geas that restricted him to only one form as designated by Mythal to whom he was bound in service as a guardian. So Mythal made him guard her in the form of a wolf.

There is also an interesting line in the Canticle of Shartan (much of which is probably not about Shartan at all but part of an earlier Dalish folk tale about a trickster warrior who fought against tyrants). So if the tale is really about Fen'Harel and Mythal, there is a rather interesting line where Fen'Harel has just saved Mythal during a battle with their enemies' forces (those of the evanuris?) In the Canticle Andraste hands Shartan a sword but I wonder if in the original it was actually an orb. The words that follow are: "Take this, my champion, and free our people forever." Could this have been a commandment placed upon Fen'Harel by Mythal just before she was betrayed and murdered? So Solas is bound by this to strive forever for the freedom of their people.

In which case, saving Solas might involve persuading him that destroying the world would not free their people from bondage or finding some other way to break his geas. That he is under some sort of compulsion might at least explain why he was so upset if you drank from the Well. Also why he could not drink, since he was already bound.

Oh my wow. I hope so

[thats1evildude]

I think the Ancient Elven Writing at the Temple of Mythal actually refers to The Formless One - the fourth member of the Forbidden Ones. We know that they became "Forbidden" because of the Evanuris, but The Formless One was exiled before the others for different crimes.

http://dragonage.wik...t_Elven_Writing

[Obsidian Gryphon]

One question - isn't the Dread Wolf supposed to have a twin brother? Does he exist? If he does, where is he?

[thats1evildude]

That is Dirthamen and Falon'Din you are thinking of.

[Gaia300]

Solas is basically the Robin Hood of Arlathan. 

But Robin hood was a fox not a wolf.

[Harvest89]

But Robin hood was a fox not a wolf.

Lmao!

I loved the old Disney cartoon of Robin Hood.

 

I wonder what Solas is going to be like in DA4, and who will stand with him.

Will it be the humans of Thedas vs all of the Elfs?

[AlleluiaElizabeth]

Lmao!

I loved the old Disney cartoon of Robin Hood.

 

I wonder what Solas is going to be like in DA4, and who will stand with him.

Will it be the humans of Thedas vs all of the Elfs?

And the carta is off on the side playing arms dealer? lol 

[Gervaise]

I think there could be a sort of battle for the minds of the elves in DA4.    On one side you have Solas with his half truths promising to restore them to what they once were.   On the other you have the Qunari offering them an escape from the poverty of the alienages and the slavery of Tevinter.    In the middle hopefully there will be the PC trying to steer them away from both, while trying to get them a better life from the powers that be In Tevinter.     I really don't want it to be everyone against the elves because I feel that would have the elves being unfairly manipulated by the writers.    Some might run off to join Solas from both Dalish and city elves, just as some have been recruited by the Qun (city elves, Dalish would never stand for it).    However, some would see through the promises made by both sides and reject them.   That's what I would like to see anyway.

[Nixou]

I think the ancient elves were spirits made flesh

 

 

I suspect it's the other way around: Elves were originally humans who developed an affinity with the Fade, which blurred the line between their fleshy origins and the spirit world while also making them quasi-immortal and affecting their physical appearance (the pointy ears, big eyes and waifish frame).

 

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I played through Trespasser again yesterday on alternate character, and still really stumped as to why Mythal and Fen'Harel statues are in the Deep Roads. 

 

 

 

It's implied that for a while Elves attempted to colonize/exploit the caves where the Titans dwelt before sealing the entrance where they discovered/woke/created something that terrified them (probably the Taint).

 

The statues may have been built during that period.