Like Miranda and love Strahovsky but Miranda DID get annoying with the hyper-repetitive telling of the whole "My father and his legacy, blah blah". Heard it in ME2. Didn't need to hear it again and again and again.
It was seriously a crime to write her in that way. I really liked her in ME2, she was so weird.
Like Miranda and love Strahovsky but Miranda DID get annoying with the hyper-repetitive telling of the whole "My father and his legacy, blah blah". Heard it in ME2. Didn't need to hear it again and again and again.
I really wish that we got to meet and kill Henry Lawson in ME2. If we did, that story would have been over and we could simply have Miranda help fight Cerberus.
Anyone who is not Garrus!
lol seriously though these are guys I never could stand so well for start lets go with:
1) KID-s - hate kids in real life and after ME3 I got traumatized even more by em!
2) Jacob - ignore all generic thing about him and just jump to how fem.Shep that romanced that bastard will get news that while she was locked up in custody, her dear boyfriend was knocking up babies around with another woman.
3) Liara - sorry but not sorry, reason why she is on this list is not because "Mary Sue" thing(Garrus is biggest one I love that guy) however unlike Garrus she is completely unitresting as character to me that got big role for no good reason. She shall forever be, no matter how much game made tried to make her important, she shall forever be that girl that Senpai just doesn't care to notice.
4) Entire Alliance - because there is nothing better then fighting for someone who shall spit on you 24/7h regardless of your deeds! Alliance and Council should go on date! They are perfect match.
5) Council - same reasons as for Alliance only unlike Alliance that sometimes will be of any help...Council will never be of any help(shame you can't let Udina kill em). Enough said.
2. Starbrat. The kid's a hallucination. If Harbinger can broadcast a hologram millions of miles across the galaxy, then the Reaper King can manifest a kid. Anderson doesn't see him. "Hey, Shepard, it's this way, why are you talking to a vent? We can't go that way anyway." "I was talking to this kid." "What kid?" Nothing. Ash should clearly see him, she's standing right next to Shepard on the ramp. What's she do? Turns around, goes up the ramp. If she does see him, she doesn't give a ****. Which makes her an even worse character than she is. Nobody sees the kid next to the shuttle, they don't look at him, they don't help him into the shuttle. I thought the one soldier might be turning in his direction, but he just slaps the door with his fist. Conclusion: he doesn't exist. If he wasn't planted there by the Reaper AI, why does the Catalyst look like him? It's a ploy to gain Shepard's sympathy. No es bueno. The dreams? Same deal. Shepard didn't see the kid die any more than he saw Ash/Kaiden die on Virmire and they were squadmates. Shouldn't he/she be dreaming about them? Yeah, yeah, voices. Why should Shepard see the kid instead of Ash/Kaiden then? Shouldn't the kid just be another voice and the people Shepard actually care about be standing there instead? Ugh.
I could probably think of more, but the title of the the thread says "hate."
The boy is a hallucination, but...Look at the boy and look at default male Shep. The boy is Shep. It symbolizes his youth and mortality. The dreams are all about death. Everyone who dies is there, including Shep and the boy who stand and burn as one. They are mortal.
This was just Mac Walters pushing the player to choose synthesis/ascension. This may have been the idea behind Mass Effect from the very beginning (or at least what Hudson wanted to push), but most writers obviously did not know about it or missed that the capital ship is called THE DESTINY ASCENSION. Other things were also there to push the player to choose synthesis. Edi/Joker romance. End of Ragnarok/Eden scene at the very end of the game, symbolizing a new start/beginning, Geth plot device, in that they had to die if chose destroy was there for that reason. Bleak ending was there for that reason. Red being destroy (a color associated with death, blood) was the color chosen for a reason. Even the 3 choices are there for a reason and esoteric or as Mac said "high level". Left hand path (control=evil), right hand path (good= destroy, even though it is associated with red), middle path is ascension. Basically duality BS. knowledge of good and evil. You are god, and have become Nietzsche's "superman" or Ubermench, because you are a law unto yourself. I do not agree with any of this garbage, I am just telling you what it means. This is why Mac Walters/Hudson were so antagonistic towards everyone who didn't like it. He just said they didn't understand it.
Of course that ascension to "godhood" was a flawed "ascension", and we had already seen forced synthesis (and this is no different) and collectors with no art, soul as Mordin said, and the only way to prevent hybrid machine from killing hybrid machine is a borg collective WHERE YOU AS AN INDIVIDUAL DIE ANYWAYS.
Long story short? Mac Walters tried to turn Mass Effect 3 (he was not the solo lead on 2 and not the lead writer on ME 1 at all) into 2001 A Space Odyssey. Not the movie. The books. The movie laughed at the books...
I really wish that we got to meet and kill Henry Lawson in ME2. If we did, that story would have been over and we could simply have Miranda help fight Cerberus.
I would be ok with that. Have Miranda in her office on the ship using her contacts to help find where TIM is located.
Star brat doesn't technically qualify as a character, it was a poorly implemented plot device, a visualization for a place holder for another sort of character that doesn't get fleshed out and is essentially just another plot device in it's self.
The boy is a hallucination, but...Look at the boy and look at default male Shep. The boy is Shep. It symbolizes his youth and mortality. The dreams are all about death. Everyone who dies is there, including Shep and the boy who stand and burn as one. They are mortal.
This was just Mac Walters pushing the player to choose synthesis/ascension. This may have been the idea behind Mass Effect from the very beginning (or at least what Hudson wanted to push), but most writers obviously did not know about it or missed that the capital ship is called THE DESTINY ASCENSION. Other things were also there to push the player to choose synthesis. Edi/Joker romance. End of Ragnarok/Eden scene at the very end of the game, symbolizing a new start/beginning, Geth plot device, in that they had to die if chose destroy was there for that reason. Bleak ending was there for that reason. Red being destroy (a color associated with death, blood) was the color chosen for a reason. Even the 3 choices are there for a reason and esoteric or as Mac said "high level". Left hand path (control=evil), right hand path (good= destroy, even though it is associated with red), middle path is ascension. Basically duality BS. knowledge of good and evil. You are god, and have become Nietzsche's "superman" or Ubermench, because you are a law unto yourself. I do not agree with any of this garbage, I am just telling you what it means. This is why Mac Walters/Hudson were so antagonistic towards everyone who didn't like it. He just said they didn't understand it.
Of course that ascension to "godhood" was a flawed "ascension", and we had already seen forced synthesis (and this is no different) and collectors with no art, soul as Mordin said, and the only way to prevent hybrid machine from killing hybrid machine is a borg collective WHERE YOU AS AN INDIVIDUAL DIE ANYWAYS.
Long story short? Mac Walters tried to turn Mass Effect 3 (he was not the solo lead on 2 and not the lead writer on ME 1 at all) into 2001 A Space Odyssey. Not the movie. The books. The movie laughed at the books...
This makes me feel good about killing the reapers and having Shepard survive the war.
Well, all things considered, either Kaidan or Ashley in ME2 specifically.
It's like...
Shepard: " Oh hey! S'been a while huh? "
K / A: " Sh- Shepard? Wow it's really you! What happened to you?! "
Shepard: " Oh I got killed during that attack on the Normandy. My body was found, then I got resurrected by some crazy procedure, took about two years... Liara has more details though. But now I'm back and kickin' some serious arse. "
K / A: " Well th- that's... amazing! So hummm... I was sort of sent here in part because I had to check to see if Cerberus was behind those abductions on our colonies, do you know anything about that? "
Shepard: " Well yeah I know it's not Cerberus now, 'coz I'm with them now to check if ther- "
K / A: " You're with Cerberus ?! "
Shepard: " ...well, working "with" them yeah, didn't have much choice apparently. "
K / A: " What the hell Shepard! "
Shepard: " Whut? Look, some guy forced me into this position, I didn't actually ask for it, you realize that much, right? "
K / A: " What are you talking about ? "
Shepard: " Some guy wrote me into this position and the people controlling me had no choice but to follow suit with this crap, so now I'm "with" Cerberus... s'not like I can't also use this opportunity to destroy them from inside while I'm at it, right? You know me anyway, hey we've stopped a Reaper two years ago and saved the galaxy, remember? "
K / A: " Ok, look, I don't understand what you're talking about, and I don't care to. Yeah ok we saved the galaxy and I and countless others owe our lives to you, so what? Now you're a monster and I feel like I want to cry out all the water contained in my body. I should just arrest you right now! "
Shepard: " Are you kidding me? What the **** are you on exactly? I'm Shepard!!! I'm not here to start a galactic-wide empire! Well... ok the Illusive Man might do that at some point but I won't be part of it. I'll come back with the Alliance once I get to the bottom of all this Collectors crap, and I'm gonna use Cerberus resources to do whatever needs to be done right now to save humans and our colonies. "
K / A: " I don't know who you are anymore... I'll... just go... * slowly shakes head in disbelief *
Shepard: " Ok, you know what? F-You., and next time I'm gonna have to save this **** hole of a galaxy I'll remember to count you out of the party. I'll remember this, believe me. "
And I sure did remember, ignored them as much as I possibly could in ME3 (well, Kaidan in my case).
Well, all things considered, either Kaidan or Ashley in ME2 specifically.
It's like...
Shepard: " Oh hey! S'been a while huh? "
K / A: " Sh- Shepard? Wow it's really you! What happened to you?! "
Shepard: " Oh I got killed during that attack on the Normandy. My body was found, then I got resurrected by some crazy procedure, took about two years... Liara has more details though. But now I'm back and kickin' some serious arse. "
K / A: " Well th- that's... amazing! So hummm... I was sort of sent here in part because I had to check to see if Cerberus was behind those abductions on our colonies, do you know anything about that? "
Shepard: " Well yeah I know it's not Cerberus now, 'coz I'm with them now to check if ther- "
K / A: " You're with Cerberus ?! "
Shepard: " ...well, working "with" them yeah, didn't have much choice apparently. "
K / A: " What the hell Shepard! "
Shepard: " Whut? Look, some guy forced me into this position, I didn't actually ask for it, you realize that much, right? "
K / A: " What are you talking about ? "
Shepard: " Some guy wrote me into this position and the people controlling me had no choice but to follow suit with this crap, so now I'm "with" Cerberus... s'not like I can't also use this opportunity to destroy them from inside while I'm at it, right? You know me anyway, hey we've stopped a Reaper two years ago and saved the galaxy, remember? "
K / A: " Ok, look, I don't understand what you're talking about, and I don't care to. Yeah ok we saved the galaxy and I and countless others owe our lives to you, so what? Now you're a monster and I feel like I want to cry out all the water contained in my body. I should just arrest you right now! "
Shepard: " Are you kidding me? What the **** are you on exactly? I'm Shepard!!! I'm not here to start a galactic-wide empire! Well... ok the Illusive Man might do that at some point but I won't be part of it. I'll come back with the Alliance once I get to the bottom of all this Collectors crap, and I'm gonna use Cerberus resources to do whatever needs to be done right now to save humans and our colonies. "
K / A: " I don't know who you are anymore... I'll... just go... * slowly shakes head in disbelief *
Shepard: " Ok, you know what? F-You., and next time I'm gonna have to save this **** hole of a galaxy I'll remember to count you out of the party. I'll remember this, believe me. "
And I sure did remember, ignored them as much as I possibly could in ME3 (well, Kaidan in my case).
The writers fucked up everything in this game, a lot of stuff that happened is simply idiotic. And people talk like the endings of ME3 are the biggest screw up the writers did, but for me, its the main story of ME2 (the side missions were fine, but the main plot is just absurd, starting from Shepard's death)
Well, all things considered, either Kaidan or Ashley in ME2 specifically.
It's like...
Shepard: " Oh hey! S'been a while huh? "
K / A: " Sh- Shepard? Wow it's really you! What happened to you?! "
Shepard: " Oh I got killed during that attack on the Normandy. My body was found, then I got resurrected by some crazy procedure, took about two years... Liara has more details though. But now I'm back and kickin' some serious arse. "
K / A: " Well th- that's... amazing! So hummm... I was sort of sent here in part because I had to check to see if Cerberus was behind those abductions on our colonies, do you know anything about that? "
Shepard: " Well yeah I know it's not Cerberus now, 'coz I'm with them now to check if ther- "
K / A: " You're with Cerberus ?! "
Shepard: " ...well, working "with" them yeah, didn't have much choice apparently. "
K / A: " What the hell Shepard! "
Shepard: " Whut? Look, some guy forced me into this position, I didn't actually ask for it, you realize that much, right? "
K / A: " What are you talking about ? "
Shepard: " Some guy wrote me into this position and the people controlling me had no choice but to follow suit with this crap, so now I'm "with" Cerberus... s'not like I can't also use this opportunity to destroy them from inside while I'm at it, right? You know me anyway, hey we've stopped a Reaper two years ago and saved the galaxy, remember? "
K / A: " Ok, look, I don't understand what you're talking about, and I don't care to. Yeah ok we saved the galaxy and I and countless others owe our lives to you, so what? Now you're a monster and I feel like I want to cry out all the water contained in my body. I should just arrest you right now! "
Shepard: " Are you kidding me? What the **** are you on exactly? I'm Shepard!!! I'm not here to start a galactic-wide empire! Well... ok the Illusive Man might do that at some point but I won't be part of it. I'll come back with the Alliance once I get to the bottom of all this Collectors crap, and I'm gonna use Cerberus resources to do whatever needs to be done right now to save humans and our colonies. "
K / A: " I don't know who you are anymore... I'll... just go... * slowly shakes head in disbelief *
Shepard: " Ok, you know what? F-You., and next time I'm gonna have to save this **** hole of a galaxy I'll remember to count you out of the party. I'll remember this, believe me. "
And I sure did remember, ignored them as much as I possibly could in ME3 (well, Kaidan in my case).
Well, taking away the obvious (Starbrat, Allers, Starbrat again), and characters you love to hate (Hi Udina and "Ah yes, Reaper" guy!), I'm going to have to go with ME3 Legion.
Not ME2 Legion mind you, he was a great character with lots of funny lines and gave us a great new perspective on synthetics, how they work, and what they want. No, I'm talking about ME3 Legion, who seemingly forgot the whole self-determination message of his former self and thought becoming Pinocchio and using Reaper code to become a real boy would solve all his species' woes.
The writers fucked up everything in this game, a lot of stuff that happened is simply idiotic. And people talk like the endings of ME3 are the biggest screw up the writers did, but for me, its the main story of ME2 (the side missions were fine, but the main plot is just absurd, starting from Shepard's death)
Yeah, a few things should've gotten canned, starting with Project Lazarus. The whole Horizon exchange was frustrating. Like, Shepard swooped down like the gorram space cavalry and spanked the bugs and her only reward is: Wat! ur dead to me Benedict Arnold! Good luck fighting ancient evil. K bye.
It's a tie between Jacob (blah and useless and just generally annoying) and Miranda. I just SO disliked her and her smug way of talking and treating everyone, and her stupid white suit. In fact, she annoyed me so much that I actually
Yes, I did. Twice. Sorry. ;-)
I also hated Miranda. The fact that her badonkadonk made me feel inadequate.
I also hated Miranda. The fact that her badonkadonk made me feel inadequate.
Third-Wave Feminism in a nutshell. 
Anywho, I'd list Starbrat as my #1 but that would legitimize him as an actual character that has an actual place in the Mass Effect lore, along with the rest of the narrative diarrhea known as the ME 3 ending. So....no, not touching that with a ten foot pole. My most hated character in Mass Effect would definitely have to be....
I could name a million NPCs you meet during sidequests but those are a dime a dozen in terms of hateability. Liara takes the cake because she has the most inconsistent romance I have ever seen across an entire game trilogy. She goes from craving the d in Mass Effect 1 all because you touched a Prothean artifact to brusque and cold Mary Sue who suddenly has no time for Shepard and has more plot armor than a mass murdering villain in Game of Thrones. It becomes disastrous in Mass Effect 3 where she not only does a 180 from previous games, but suddenly has more inconsistencies within just that romance string. In one scene she seems to love the hell out of you. But in other scenes she refers to you as "friend" even though you've clearly done the downtown tango in previous titles AND maxed out her affinity in ME 3 AND all without cheating on her at all.
You could literally be the most loyal, romantic human mate on the planet and Liara will still be this distant flirt in Mass Effect 3. That is how dumb and poorly written her character is. That, and she's clearly an author's pet. I wanted to kill her off at some point. But I couldn't do that. Because reasons. And no, the BANZAI charge to the beam in London doesn't count.
I really didn't like Miranda's hair, it bothered me so much... it made her face look weird
I really didn't like Miranda's hair, it bothered me so much... it made her face look weird
Her whole physique is out of whack. The proportions are very, very wrong.
Yeah, a few things should've gotten canned, starting with Project Lazarus. The whole Horizon exchange was frustrating. Like, Shepard swooped down like the gorram space cavalry and spanked the bugs and her only reward is: Wat! ur dead to me Benedict Arnold! Good luck fighting ancient evil. K bye.
It has bothered me that the Collector's who want Shepard and who blow away the Normandy, didn't just simply board and snatch like they did later in the game. Well, except, you know, game over.
It's a tie between Jacob (blah and useless and just generally annoying) and Miranda. I just SO disliked her and her smug way of talking and treating everyone, and her stupid white suit. In fact, she annoyed me so much that I actually
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Yes, I did. Twice. Sorry. ;-)
Be interesting to know how that works out in ME3. Does it affect it at all?
I don't really "hate" any of the characters, but I really, really dislike Kaidan and Ashley. Makes the Virmire sacrifice interesting.
The boy is a hallucination, but...Look at the boy and look at default male Shep. The boy is Shep. It symbolizes his youth and mortality. The dreams are all about death. Everyone who dies is there, including Shep and the boy who stand and burn as one. They are mortal.
This was just Mac Walters pushing the player to choose synthesis/ascension. This may have been the idea behind Mass Effect from the very beginning (or at least what Hudson wanted to push), but most writers obviously did not know about it or missed that the capital ship is called THE DESTINY ASCENSION. Other things were also there to push the player to choose synthesis. Edi/Joker romance. End of Ragnarok/Eden scene at the very end of the game, symbolizing a new start/beginning, Geth plot device, in that they had to die if chose destroy was there for that reason. Bleak ending was there for that reason. Red being destroy (a color associated with death, blood) was the color chosen for a reason. Even the 3 choices are there for a reason and esoteric or as Mac said "high level". Left hand path (control=evil), right hand path (good= destroy, even though it is associated with red), middle path is ascension. Basically duality BS. knowledge of good and evil. You are god, and have become Nietzsche's "superman" or Ubermench, because you are a law unto yourself. I do not agree with any of this garbage, I am just telling you what it means. This is why Mac Walters/Hudson were so antagonistic towards everyone who didn't like it. He just said they didn't understand it.
Of course that ascension to "godhood" was a flawed "ascension", and we had already seen forced synthesis (and this is no different) and collectors with no art, soul as Mordin said, and the only way to prevent hybrid machine from killing hybrid machine is a borg collective WHERE YOU AS AN INDIVIDUAL DIE ANYWAYS.
Long story short? Mac Walters tried to turn Mass Effect 3 (he was not the solo lead on 2 and not the lead writer on ME 1 at all) into 2001 A Space Odyssey. Not the movie. The books. The movie laughed at the books...
I think you are quite right, nothing new really here for me. In one interview (I can't find it now) I think it was Hudson who admitted that the synthesis is supposed to be "the good ending".
I think they also hoped that the Starkid could trigger difference feelings with different people. If you were playing with female Shepard the Boy can be seen as your possible future baby or as an missed opportunity (I did not see that in that way anyway) as for the male Shepards it could be seen as both himself as a kid and his kid, too. In any way the boy was there for waking some sympathy - the only good thing about those dream sequenses were that you could also hear the voices of your lost teammates. I kinda liked that and focused to those words and did not always follow the kid so I wasn't so annoyed by them. I also liked to watch my when my Shepards face turn in to sheer fear or depression because s/he was always so stoic. Personal preference.
To this topic: now I know who annoyed me most in this series: I couldn't not understand the writing decision of a clone Shepard. The whole twist is ridicilous and impossible. IMPOSSIBLE. That change actually annoys me nowadays even when I wake up in Cerberus labs in the beginning of ME2. It almost ruined the best start of gaming.
The council.
The old one specially. First they wont believe anything you tell them even though you are chasing one of their own mistakes (Saren). Then in the end of the game you spend valuable resources to save just 3 easily replaceable politicians. Then they thank you in the next game by lying to you (Ah yes the reapers...). The scene in the archives at me3 citadel proves that they knew about the reapers but still they lied to you.
Then they start ignoring you and the fact that whatever is destroying whole colonies without leaving a trace, hundreds of thousands of humans, should worry anyone. In the end they put you in jail for saving again the galaxy from the reapers at the alpha relay because they need a scapegoat.
At the beginning of third they finally have to admit that the reapers are there since they are actually everywhere and what does the council do? Again they ignore your need for help and start concentrating on their own problems. While all they should see that no race can handle the reapers alone and they should start assembling whatever resources together.
The council.
The old one specially. First they wont believe anything you tell them even though you are chasing one of their own mistakes (Saren). Then in the end of the game you spend valuable resources to save just 3 easily replaceable politicians. Then they thank you in the next game by lying to you (Ah yes the reapers...). The scene in the archives at me3 citadel proves that they knew about the reapers but still they lied to you.
Then they start ignoring you and the fact that whatever is destroying whole colonies without leaving a trace, hundreds of thousands of humans, should worry anyone. In the end they put you in jail for saving again the galaxy from the reapers at the alpha relay because they need a scapegoat.
At the beginning of third they finally have to admit that the reapers are there since they are actually everywhere and what does the council do? Again they ignore your need for help and start concentrating on their own problems. While all they should see that no race can handle the reapers alone and they should start assembling whatever resources together.
To be honest I think that was a nod to our old pal James T. Kirk who never seemed to do right by the higher ups in Star Fleet 
There was a lot of things like that in Mass Effect.
It was funny though, when Shep made a offhand comment about someone else's warnings being heeded and said "that must be nice".
Should play renegade one time. The dialogue and things you can do and say to the council is pretty darn funny.
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