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[gottaloveme]

The council.

 

The old one specially. First they wont believe anything you tell them even though you are chasing one of their own mistakes (Saren). Then in the end of the game you spend valuable resources to save just 3 easily replaceable politicians. Then they thank you in the next game by lying to you (Ah yes the reapers...). The scene in the archives at me3 citadel proves that they knew about the reapers but still they lied to you.

 

Then they start ignoring you and the fact that whatever is destroying whole colonies without leaving a trace, hundreds of thousands of humans, should worry anyone. In the end they put you in jail for saving again the galaxy from the reapers at the alpha relay because they need  a scapegoat.

 

At the beginning of third they finally have to admit that the reapers are there since they are actually everywhere and what does the council do? Again they ignore your need for help and start concentrating on their own problems. While all they should see that no race can handle the reapers alone and they should start assembling whatever resources together.

 

Damned if you do - damned if you don't

[monochromesky]

The council.

 

The old one specially. First they wont believe anything you tell them even though you are chasing one of their own mistakes (Saren). Then in the end of the game you spend valuable resources to save just 3 easily replaceable politicians. Then they thank you in the next game by lying to you (Ah yes the reapers...). The scene in the archives at me3 citadel proves that they knew about the reapers but still they lied to you.

 

Then they start ignoring you and the fact that whatever is destroying whole colonies without leaving a trace, hundreds of thousands of humans, should worry anyone. In the end they put you in jail for saving again the galaxy from the reapers at the alpha relay because they need  a scapegoat.

 

At the beginning of third they finally have to admit that the reapers are there since they are actually everywhere and what does the council do? Again they ignore your need for help and start concentrating on their own problems. While all they should see that no race can handle the reapers alone and they should start assembling whatever resources together.

 

The only reason I left them alive is so Shep could've done a "HA I told you so"

 

But yeah I hated Jacob,Vega, basically everyone mentioned above. I actually liked Miranda though...

[Abedsbrother]

That she offers it even in a friendship arc should be evidence enough it wasn't an asari mating thing.

My assumption (mine, but I know others share it) is that, if romanced, Liara's "gift" results in "lots of little blue children." But it's the same gift, whether she's romanced or not (the romanced version has a make-out session; the non-romance version has her head on Shep's shoulder). So either the gift is not "lots of little blue children," or she mind-steals a kid (or two) from Shepard. 

 

It's sloppy writing by BioWare, but it's not like this is the first time that has happened.

[introverted_assassin]

I thought Traynor was kinda annoying. And Kasumi.

I can't really think of anyone I hate, though.

Oh wait, I can.

Diana Allers.

[Vilio1]

My assumption (mine, but I know others share it) is that, if romanced, Liara's "gift" results in "lots of little blue children." But it's the same gift, whether she's romanced or not (the romanced version has a make-out session; the non-romance version has her head on Shep's shoulder). So either the gift is not "lots of little blue children," or she mind-steals a kid (or two) from Shepard. 

 

It's sloppy writing by BioWare, but it's not like this is the first time that has happened.

 

There is absolutely no indication that the scene is anything more than how she described it: sharing some memories as a way for Asari to say farewell to people they care about . There's nothing sloppy about it.

[Lebanese Dude]

Huh.

 

I assumed there would be a lot more Ambassador Udina posts.

[Lebanese Dude]

The boy is a hallucination, but...Look at the boy and look at default male Shep. The boy is Shep. It symbolizes his youth and mortality. The dreams are all about death. Everyone who dies is there, including Shep and the boy who stand and burn as one. They are mortal.

 

This was just Mac Walters pushing the player to choose synthesis/ascension. This may have been the idea behind Mass Effect from the very beginning (or at least what Hudson wanted to push), but most writers obviously did not know about it or missed that the capital ship is called THE DESTINY ASCENSION.  Other things were also there to push the player to choose  synthesis. Edi/Joker romance. End of Ragnarok/Eden scene at the very end of the game, symbolizing a new start/beginning, Geth plot device, in that they had to die if chose destroy was there for that reason. Bleak ending was there for that reason. Red being destroy (a color associated with death, blood) was the color chosen for a reason. Even the 3 choices are there for a reason and esoteric or as Mac said "high level".  Left hand path (control=evil), right hand path (good= destroy, even though it is associated with red), middle path is ascension. Basically duality BS. knowledge of good and evil. You are god, and have become Nietzsche's "superman" or Ubermench, because you are a law unto yourself. I do not agree with any of this garbage, I am just telling you what it means. This is why Mac Walters/Hudson were so antagonistic towards everyone who didn't like it. He just said they didn't understand it.

 

Of course that ascension to "godhood" was a flawed "ascension", and we had already seen forced synthesis (and this is no different) and collectors with no art, soul as Mordin said, and the only way to prevent hybrid machine from killing hybrid machine is a borg collective WHERE YOU AS AN INDIVIDUAL DIE ANYWAYS.

 

Long story short? Mac Walters tried to turn Mass Effect 3 (he was not the solo lead on 2 and not the lead writer on ME 1 at all) into 2001 A Space Odyssey. Not the movie. The books. The movie laughed at the books...

 

Even if I were to believe everything you said, a similar argument can be constructed for every other ending choice. Even Control.

 

Every choice has its ups and downs. The options that are in the middle ground are almost always more difficult to achieve in video games. They are not always the morally superior choice either. Think of the Human Noble and the Landsmeet with regards to Alistair for example. While Synthesis may be outlandish, it still IS the middle ground between destroying them and controlling them: being at one with them.

[Abedsbrother]

There is absolutely no indication that the scene is anything more than how she described it: sharing some memories as a way for Asari to say farewell to people they care about . There's nothing sloppy about it.

Hey, you don't see it the same way I do. That's cool. 

[GDICanuck]

Don't forget the Alliance Defense Committee in the beginning of ME3.

Shep: "What's the situation?"

Committee: "We were hoping you could tell us."

Shep: "OK, let me take a stab in the dark. Here goes. An immortal race of sentient starships called the 'Reapers' are about to smack us up one side of this planet and down the other."

Committee: "..."

Shep: "Oh, and it gets better. You see, the first Human Spectre found out that the Reapers were coming THREE YEARS AGO and foiled their first attempt at EXTERMINATING ALL LIFE IN THE GALAXY! However, you idiots (and the other three idiots on the Council) decided to denounce that Spectre as a deranged lunatic, and proceeded to ram you heads up your collective a-!"

Anderson: "SHEPARD!"

Shep: "Oh, sorry. Now where was I? Oh, right! So that Human Spectre set out to find a way to stop the Reapers, and wound up being killed by the Collectors. And the Collectors spent TWO YEARS abducting human colonies while you all hummed and hawed here on Earth. Luckily, the Spectre got the bionic man treatment, courtesy of a guy who definitely has lung cancer and liver failure. He then put together a daring team and took out the Collectors, only to find that they were working for the 'Reapers' and that the 'Reapers' were coming. And so, here we are."

Committee: "What should we do?"

Shep: "Build a time machine and send a note back telling everyone to listen to that Shepard guy."

Committee: "That's it? That's our plan?"

Shep: "... I should go."

[PresidentVorchaMasterBaits]

GAVORN OBVIOUSLY!

[gottaloveme]

Don't forget the Alliance Defense Committee in the beginning of ME3.

Shep: "What's the situation?"

Committee: "We were hoping you could tell us."

Shep: "OK, let me take a stab in the dark. Here goes. An immortal race of sentient starships called the 'Reapers' are about to smack us up one side of this planet and down the other."

Committee: "..."

Shep: "Oh, and it gets better. You see, the first Human Spectre found out that the Reapers were coming THREE YEARS AGO and foiled their first attempt at EXTERMINATING ALL LIFE IN THE GALAXY! However, you idiots (and the other three idiots on the Council) decided to denounce that Spectre as a deranged lunatic, and proceeded to ram you heads up your collective a-!"

Anderson: "SHEPARD!"

Shep: "Oh, sorry. Now where was I? Oh, right! So that Human Spectre set out to find a way to stop the Reapers, and wound up being killed by the Collectors. And the Collectors spent TWO YEARS abducting human colonies while you all hummed and hawed here on Earth. Luckily, the Spectre got the bionic man treatment, courtesy of a guy who definitely has lung cancer and liver failure. He then put together a daring team and took out the Collectors, only to find that they were working for the 'Reapers' and that the 'Reapers' were coming. And so, here we are."

Committee: "What should we do?"

Shep: "Build a time machine and send a note back telling everyone to listen to that Shepard guy."

Committee: "That's it? That's our plan?"

Shep: "... I should go."

 

If I could give you more likes I would.   I always wondered what ME would sound like rewritten by fans

[Oni Changas]

The glowing piece of **** catalyst.

 

If that thing doesn't count then ME3 Kasumi. Cowardly biatch only cares for her self when literally everything is at stake. I have more respect for the council (including Udina) since they're at the very least looking out for their peoples. Kasumi only cares about some jamoke that got killed by a guy whom Shepard literally kills on his way to real problems. Even Jacob's awkward ass wants to act as a shield for the refugees and help the Alliance. Next to them, maybe Liara. Convoluted and inconsistent character in ME3 and the voice actress is annoying with the "loud whisper" voice. Why not use her natural voice like ME1? I very much preferred that Liara over ME2 and 3. She does not work as a badass wannabe. Give Samara that spotlight more. 3rd place (or 4th) goes to the irrelevant female turian that commits suicide on blOwmega.

[CronoDragoon]

My assumption (mine, but I know others share it) is that, if romanced, Liara's "gift" results in "lots of little blue children." But it's the same gift, whether she's romanced or not (the romanced version has a make-out session; the non-romance version has her head on Shep's shoulder). So either the gift is not "lots of little blue children," or she mind-steals a kid (or two) from Shepard.

Right. And the gift isn't lots of little blue children, romanced or not. It doesn't jive with Liara's personality to do such a thing without informing Shepard, considering she didn't even make a hologram summary of his life without deferring to him.

[Abedsbrother]

Right. And the gift isn't lots of little blue children, romanced or not.

I don't agree. Hopefully, you're cool with that. 

 

It doesn't jive with Liara's personality to do such a thing

What personality? Oh, snap!

 

I kid, I kid   - or do I?

[satunnainen]

Right. And the gift isn't lots of little blue children, romanced or not. It doesn't jive with Liara's personality to do such a thing without informing Shepard, considering she didn't even make a hologram summary of his life without deferring to him.

 

On the other hand, who knows how that "randomizing genes with other partners genetic information" actually works. Maybe they can store that information in some internal biological datastorage-gland and use it later if for example the partner dies accidentally. Maybe "embracing eternity" with black eyes has a side effect of storing that information.

 

Lots of maybes, I know. 

[KaiserShep]

My assumption (mine, but I know others share it) is that, if romanced, Liara's "gift" results in "lots of little blue children." But it's the same gift, whether she's romanced or not (the romanced version has a make-out session; the non-romance version has her head on Shep's shoulder). So either the gift is not "lots of little blue children," or she mind-steals a kid (or two) from Shepard. 

 

It's sloppy writing by BioWare, but it's not like this is the first time that has happened.

 

Except it's clearly mentioned that the gift is sharing memories, unless you also wish to assume that this is a lie, which would be silly. This has to assume the intent of the writers, and it's far more sensible an assumption that the writers simply wanted to get one last bit using the asari's telepathic abilities before the end. After all, in a romanced playthrough, Shepard and Liara are likely sexually active and could very well have been since ME1, so it's not like she had to steal anything. Let's not forget that it's Shepard who initially makes the comment about little blue children, so her reference to that is just a callback. 

 

This isn't sloppy writing, so much as it's just whacky fan theory. 

[aoibhealfae]

Liara

 

Garrus

 

If MEA and Mac Walters bring them back again in any form because fans want them, I'm going to hurt something.

 

Bioware, stop babying fans, if you can treat other non-popular characters brutally, please do so with fan-favourites instead of plot-armor them and ignore them for half the game because you can't touch them or risk the wrath of fandoms. Like really?

[Kookoo]

Jacob and Miranda. He was boring. She was a Cerberus-Cheerleader

[Abedsbrother]

Except it's clearly mentioned that the gift is sharing memories

If she's romanced, I believe it's more than that. Not requiring you to.

 

After all, in a romanced playthrough, Shepard and Liara are likely sexually active and could very well have been since ME1

Sexual activity has nothing to do with how asari reproduce. It's a welcome bonus, but not required.

 

After all, in a romanced playthrough, Shepard and Liara are likely sexually active and could very well have been since ME1, so it's not like she had to steal anything. 

If she was romanced, of course she wouldn't have to "steal" anything. Shepard wants kids too, in that scenario.

 

Let's not forget that it's Shepard who initially makes the comment about little blue children, so her reference to that is just a callback. 

Don't agree that it's "just" a callback.

 

This isn't sloppy writing, so much as it's just whacky fan theory. 

Hardly a fan theory, since Liara is my most hated character in the Mass Effect universe. The writers tried hard to make hers the best romance in the game; unfortunately this leaves gaps if you don't pursue it.

 

Where's a Heath Ledger Joker meme when I need one? "Say nasty things about (X) and nobody bats an eye; insinuate Liara isn't as nice as she seems, and everyone loses their minds!" Not everyone, obviously, but you get my point.

[ThomasBlaine]

Jacob, with Kaidan as the runner-up. I can sympathize with the Council and don't have a huge problem with the Catalyst, but those two ****** me off and bore me to death respectively.

[themikefest]

If I could give you more likes I would.   I always wondered what ME would sound like rewritten by fans

If interested, here's a thread asking that question

[Just My Moniker]

Shepard

[DeathScepter]

On the other hand, who knows how that "randomizing genes with other partners genetic information" actually works. Maybe they can store that information in some internal biological datastorage-gland and use it later if for example the partner dies accidentally. Maybe "embracing eternity" with black eyes has a side effect of storing that information.

 

Lots of maybes, I know. 

 

 

please research Pathogenesis and you shall find it enlightening and explaining Asari's all female species while able to reproduce

[Han Shot First]

 

Hardly a fan theory, since Liara is my most hated character in the Mass Effect universe. The writers tried hard to make hers the best romance in the game; unfortunately this leaves gaps if you don't pursue it.

 

You're half-right.

 

The fan interpretation of the gift scene as being about baby-making was a bizarro world intersection of some of Liara's fans and her haters. It may be the only thing those two groups of fans ever agreed on about the character. Of course, the motivation behind it was different for each group. The former was diving face-first into wish fulfillment and the latter was grasping for anything that would provide another platform to criticize the character and how she was written.

 

Both were equally wrong, and were projecting more into that scene than was actually written. There was not a single shred of dialogue in the entire series that implied that scene was anything more than what it was presented as.

[SlottsMachine]

The only think I hate is how the writers handled each characters progression from one game to the next.