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[Lucca_de_Neon]

A certain big stupid jellyfish

[Solace]

Most hated character in the entire Mass Effect series is Commander Shepard...Not joking either. I originally thought it was a cool idea to play the same character, but the Dragon Age series showed me that I like not being forced to play the same character in multiple games. I think it's cool if your previous character is somehow involved in future installments, but I do not like playing the same guy/girl three games in a row.

 

 

Just to add another thing I hate...I know itmight be a little unrelated...but

I hate multiple romance choices in Mass Effect, and in other games. I feel like when you are given multiple romance choices, they are typically just shoehorned in there for the sake of "why not? They remind me of romances in movies that obviously have no chemistry, but are forced on you....... just because ( Anakin and Padme in the prequel Star War movies). I think romance can give the story alot of weight in the game, but unless it is done right, it is better to leave romance out.

 

Romance in games and other media done right:

 

. Jim Raynor and Queen Of Blades.

 

. Batman and Cat-woman

 

. Liara and Commander Shepard

 

. Solas and the female elf inquisitor

 

. Harley Quinn and Joker

 

These romances had thought and effort put into them, and you can really see the chemistry between them. It's why when I romance anybody in Mass Effect, I feel compelled to romance Liara, because she feels like the intended, as she is the only one that is pretty much in all three games, and the only one,  that seems to have any real romantic connection with Shepard. the others can work, but they feel shoehorned in there.

 

I guess i'm saying I hate things being shoehorned in..

[aoibhealfae]

You do know that Liara is just a perfect manic pixie dream girl. She's the virginal offering and a wish fulfillment fantasy whose her entire existence and personality is central only to Shepard who she worship. She might make an enjoyable game romance but in reality, you're asking for crazy girlfriend. She's the literal female equivalent of Edward Cullen...

[SentinelMacDeath]

Not person related but what is up with the vid quality in the future? How come movies suck now? They are so low quality ... Blasto you can do better! 

[Solace]

You do know that Liara is just a perfect manic pixie girl. She's the virginal offering and a wish fulfillment fantasy whose her entire existence and personality is central only to Shepard who she worship. She might make an enjoyable game romance but in reality, you're asking for crazy girlfriend. She's the literal female equivalent of Edward Cullen...

 I'm not Liara fan...I personally like Jack.  I just thought her( Liaras) romance was the only one that made sense story-wise. She didn't feel anything towards Shepard until her first mind meld with him/her, where she saw Shepard's vision and who Shepard really was deep inside. Kaiden and Ashley sort of throw their interest at at you for no other reason other than you are hot/cute( and so do the rest), while it took Liara something personal and somewhat intimate to do so. Mass Effect 2&3 reinforce that bond between Shepard and Liara that was made in Mass Effect 1. The rest of the romances simply existed for replay value in my eyes.

[aoibhealfae]

Like Ashley, Liara only became fascinated by Shepard the moment they saved her from the archaeology site while the prothean visions is the only thing that enamored her before she even see Shepard as a person. Unlike Kaidan and Ashley who choose to reveal their personal history and Shepard get to know them better with a lot of flirting, Liara's conversation path started around alien curiosity about Asari culture and mating rituals and she hardly even talk about herself or about her parental issues and almost immediately after she peek into Shepard's mind, she grew attached regardless whether she was your preference. The first thing she show an interest was googling Shepard's personal history instead of asking about it... and that was seen as 'cute'?

 

In the base trilogy, Shepard still choose to save either Kaidan and Ashley from the beacon and Virmire. If romanced, Kaidan/Ashley would say that Shepard choose them because Shepard was emotionally compromised. In ME2, half of Horizon was killed because the Illusive Man thought Shepard's ex would make a much attractive lure for the Collectors and he did use them as a threat to keep Shepard in line. Why would Illusive Man ordered Eva Core to kill Kaidan/Ashley in front of Shepard? It was there only to punish Shepard. And he even make Udina as a tool to have them kill each other during the Citadel coup.

 

Neither Liara or other love interests have this amount of drama concerning their relationship inside the base game and even after all the DLCs and comics that gave Liara more scenes and prominent role over other characters, they're all just added fluff to make her fans happy but still optional. Without the DLCs, in ME1, Liara was only there because of her mother and her prothean expertise. In ME2, Liara simply offer Shepard convenient clues to where Samara and Thane is. In ME3, Liara only exist as a discoverer to the Crucible plans and to be there for Thessia. This is one of the reason why I felt disappointed by her writers even if she get all the special treatment. She's a character who is created only as a sexy alien girl romance first and her narrative outside that became an afterthought that she needed to be patched almost repetitively (Lair of the Shadow Broker, Redemption, Homeworlds, From Ashes, Citadel DLC).

[Degrees1991]

@Solace that's because they put a lot of effort into the Shepard/Liara romance. If they put more of an effort on the others they would feel right.

I'm a Tali guy myself Jack second. I never felt that Tali was shoehorned and liked how it played out.

[SentinelMacDeath]

Shep sure has a lot of drama with Kaidan/Ashley but not as much romance. I wish there was more lovey dovey and less fighting (not as in combat but you know, fighting) Shep argues with Kaidan so much, arguing with him and patching up old wounds is like 50% of that romance (still love Kaidan tho)

[snackrat]

Kai Leng. They should've made his biotic barrier stupid tanky with Cerb upgrades and then have you debuff it later using alternative methods - rather than just have him unlock immortality while covered by a gunship and then insult you for being unable to complete a literally impossible, engine-enforced, task.

Made worse by the fact that Shepard is really cut up by this, as though it was a personal failing that this guy needed a gunship to get anything done.

Combines into general asari resentment: from then on, Shep mopes endlessly even though the Earth's initial invasion had it FAR worse (no warning, AND way more Repears, AND been under fire much longer) combined with the emotional impact (Earth being her own species AND the asari hiding Proeathan tech from everyone DESPITE executing anyone who did the same for treason AND they waited until they were attacked personally before doing anything).

 

I don't resent the man himself as much as I do the stupid loss of power and agency that came from it. Insult me or punish me if I fail, don't enforce failure and then make me pay for it anyway. That's not drama or tension, just maddeningly frustrating.

[aoibhealfae]

I don't think BroShep and Ashley even resume their relationship after Ilos especially the way she intentionally avoids him in ME3 unlike between FemShep and Kaidan even if most of the relationship occur off screen. Either way, I'm not really interested with BroShep and his harem collection to begin with.

 

Its probably just a case of too many characters and too little space allocated for them. ME2 suicide mission created another problem for them to include optional characters into the story and they do a lot of work to provide an alternate narrative for them. 

[Fearsome1]

The series villains mentioned in the thread simply earned such scorn by living up to their potential, a huge win in my estimation. I never hated any of the Commanders squad members. I never really warmed to Kaidan, but still didn't hate him.

 

Of all the other memorable characters from the first to the last ME, the introduction of the Catalyst pissed me off the most; so yeah, hated "star brat" quite a bit.

[Ahglock]

The scorn for the villains was because they did not live up to their potential. People love a great villain. Hans Gruber totally awesome. Kai Lame totally not awesome.

[aoibhealfae]

People still talking and arguing about the ending even after three years. That's effective. A one-dimensional fake-asian spaceninja trash-talking villain in a series that was known for its memorable minor characters, that was laziness. Even Petrovsky, Rasa/Maya Brooks, a clone Shepard and a Yahg make a superior villain than Kai Leng.

[Lucca_de_Neon]

You do know that Liara is just a perfect manic pixie dream girl. She's the virginal offering and a wish fulfillment fantasy whose her entire existence and personality is central only to Shepard who she worship. She might make an enjoyable game romance but in reality, you're asking for crazy girlfriend. She's the literal female equivalent of Edward Cullen...

Wouldn't have it any other way. Liara i mean. I don't play for team sparky

[von uber]

Tali was more that trope I think, she carries it through. At least liara changes over time.
My least favourite characters are Zaeed (pointless character ) and Jack.
Jack mainly because her character is unbelievable in the first place, and also the fact she can only be cured by the penis, which is frankly disturbing.

[Asdrubael Vect]

Shepard which i need to play after ME2, i think it was the best to kill him in the beginning of ME2 and give us new character

 

ME1- Ashley/Kaidan, Liara(mostly after ME 1)

 

ME2- Miranda, Legion. 

 

ME3- Cortes, Vega, Samantha Traynor

 

 

If we would talk about villians so this would be Kai Leng and Maya Brooks, they were a garbage of ME villians

[SilvinC]

Squadmates: Kaidan, Ashley, Tali
NPCs: Kai Leng, Traynor, Joker

[aoibhealfae]

Almost every character in this game use some trope at one point or another. But Tali was more a dream girlfriend/bestfriend than a complete MPDG. She have more developed narrative than Liara; her life among her people, her culture, Saren's assassins, her becoming one of Normandy's engineer, Shepard's role in giving her the geth data to complete her pilgrimage (optional), her status among her people as a Geth specialist (from what I read from Ascension and their reaction to Kahlee's brief experience with Saren, Tali is a superstar), the two years serving her father, her missions on Freedom's Progress and Haestrom, her father, being chosen as an Admiral, her decision to stay with Shepard in the end. As with most of your squadmates, Shepard influence much of her personal narrative development but her life wasn't dependent on Shepard's presence... unlike Garrus and Liara who somewhat regressed in their narrative. 

[von uber]

Funny really, I completely disagree. I thought Tali went practically nowhere compared to Liara or Garrus.
I like her as a character, Tali, but you can pretty much write her out and not miss anything.
Of course you can do the same with Liara in ME2 (which they originally did of course; some writers pet there!).

[Heathen Oxman]

Never cared for Tali.

 

She was a walking "Quarian info dump" in ME1.

 

Gee, Tali, tell me MORE about your friggin pilgrimage.  It's SO interesting. 

[aoibhealfae]

Shepard wouldn't be able to prove Saren went rogue or even become a Spectre without Tali's evidence. Neither can you get Cyclonic Barrier Technology without Tali. And you wouldn't even be able to secure peace between Geth and the Quarians without resolving Tali and Legion argument in ME2 so... yes, I value her more even if her role and interactions within the trilogy is so much less than Liara or Garrus.

 

Of course, feel free to disagree really. 

[Dubozz]

Starbrat needed tossed out the airlock. 

Don't forget to toss out his creator too.

[von uber]

Of course, feel free to disagree really.

Liara identifies ilos and also finds the plans for crucible. She wins in plot device top trumps

[themikefest]

Shepard wouldn't be able to prove Saren went rogue or even become a Spectre without Tali's evidence.

I believe the game could continue without having Tali. Udina mentions to Shepard there were reports of geth near Feros before communications went down. Shepard helps the colony and learns about the conduit from Shiala and other details. Shepard brings Shiala back to face the council to tell them what she told Shepard. Would the council believe her? Don't know.

[aoibhealfae]

Liara identifies ilos and also finds the plans for crucible. She wins in plot device top trumps

 

Here are the codex entry for Ilos;

 

"Like the ancient human city of Troy, Ilos is a world known only through second-hand sources. References to Ilos have been found at several other Prothean ruins, though direct study of the world is unlikely to occur. Ilos lies in a remote area of the Terminus Systems only accessible by the legendary Mu Relay. Four thousand years ago, the Mu Relay was knocked out of position by a supernova and lost. Since then, Ilos and its cluster have been inaccessible. Occasionally, a university will organize an expedition to chart a route to Ilos using conventional FTL drive. These never get beyond the planning stages due to the distance and danger. The journey could take years or decades, passing through the hostile Terminus Systems and dozens of unexplored systems."

 

Liara isn't the only Prothean researcher in the galaxy who knew about Ilos can be accessed through Mu Relay. Besides, the most reliable source for actual Prothean knowledge in ME1 was Shiala herself who have all the Prothean memories through the Thorian creature. And Javik basically destroyed Liara's credibility on anything about Protheans. The scene on Thessia clearly show how little she knew about everything. She made excuses and even blamed her mother for making her look like a fool. 

 

The Crucible plans was already inside the Mars Archives for decades but instead they choose to make Alliance look incompetent. Wouldn't it be simpler if the Alliance already found out about the Crucible and partially decoded it by themselves and studying it and trying to build it in secret for years but didn't have enough resources for it. That is a very good motive why The Illusive Man wanted all Martian scientists dead as a sabotage (rather than the pointless death they already have). Then its more believable when you see the Crucible already quarter through the construction by the time you save Eve from Sur'kesh and then the completion was only accelerated when they began to include everyone in the megaproject. And why would the Protheans bother hiding a blueprint for a huge superweapon that could save the universe from evil god machine that's going to kill them soon? They didn't bother to be subtle about it in ME1. The whole farce was only to make Liara special... which is ridiculous.

 

The only time I can acknowledge of her actual importance was when she stop Shepard from opening Javik's pod too soon. That's pretty much is.