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[von uber]

Thessia should've been a hub in ME3 - and then the temple mission could have sprung straight from the hub with a reaper invasion destroying the place around you.
That would have been more effective.

[Laughing_Man]

Thessia should've been a hub in ME3 - and then the temple mission could have sprung straight from the hub with a reaper invasion destroying the place around you.
That would have been more effective.

 

Sounds way more interesting and way more effective for shock value.

[myahele]

I didn't like Wreave or many of the Krogans, to be honest. The 1st thing they'll do after getting the Genophage cure (after mass reproduction) is to seek vengeance?

[Seboist]

I didn't like Wreave or many of the Krogans, to be honest. The 1st thing they'll do after getting the Genophage cure (after mass reproduction) is to seek vengeance?

 

Which is why curing the 'phage without any attempt of cultural reform on their part is foolish.

[Vortex13]

Which is why curing the 'phage without any attempt of cultural reform on their part is foolish.

 

 

Fixed it for you. 

 

 

The Krogan have demonstrated that they are incapable of adapting to the change brought on by the Genophage, and curing it will only start up the problems that lead to the Rebellions in the first place. Even with Wrex and Eve in charge, the first thing the Krogan do when the cure is deployed is start humping like rabbits. Which is all lovey dovey when the ending slide shows you a little bundle of baby Krogan joy, but completely fails to mention how this sudden population boom is going to work on resource strained Tuchunka in a war devastated galaxy. 

 

Something tells me that the Krogan won't manage their population growth, and expecting them to agree to birth control methods recommended by the other species is laughable.

[Lucca_de_Neon]

Fixed it for you. 

 

 

The Krogan have demonstrated that they are incapable of adapting to the change brought on by the Genophage, and curing it will only start up the problems that lead to the Rebellions in the first place. Even with Wrex and Eve in charge, the first thing the Krogan do when the cure is deployed is start humping like rabbits. Which is all lovey dovey when the ending slide shows you a little bundle of baby Krogan joy, but completely fails to mention how this sudden population boom is going to work on resource strained Tuchunka in a war devastated galaxy. 

 

Something tells me that the Krogan won't manage their population growth, and expecting them to agree to birth control methods recommended by the other species is laughable.

Misspelled the name of the planet yet you are an expert on the matter XD lol

[Vortex13]

Misspelled the name of the planet yet you are an expert on the matter XD lol

You can't expect a guy to remember every little detail about every little planet lol.

Besides, my misspelling of the Krogan homeworld is the only thing they have going in heir favor. All of their actions in ME 1-3, as well as all of the lore surrounding them and their relation to the Galaxy, leaves little doubt that the Krogan as a whole can't be trusted to keep themselves in check.

[Lucca_de_Neon]

^ Neither do the humans. I remember how in ME1 and 2, there were asari, volus, elcor, turians that speak their minds about us and say that we don't even have a formal religion as a species (true, and something that makes us dangerous because they can't classify us under a single doctrine or anything like that), we are new arrivals yet we believe we should be in charge of everything (true and the worst part is that we succeed to some extent and not by honorable means. Saving someone and then demanding compensation by adding a member to the council is not fair play), we do what we want (true a reason why we have colonies on the Terminus system despite not being council space) and so on...the only thing that separate us from the krogans is that we are one step ahead in evolution (as far as i can see). In fact, i find the company of a krogan far more comfortable than that of a turian, salarian or asari. They are not that different and we don't get to say who lives or who doesn't. At least not without a fair fight. Poison is a coward's weapon (Females like me don't want it) ^^

[Vortex13]

^ Neither do the humans. I remember how in ME1 and 2, there were asari, volus, elcor, turians that speak their minds about us and say that we don't even have a formal religion as a species (true, and something that makes us dangerous because they can't classify us under a single doctrine or anything like that), we are new arrivals yet we believe we should be in charge of everything (true and the worst part is that we succeed to some extent and not by honorable means. Saving someone and then demanding compensation by adding a member to the council is not fair play).

 

 

And holding the galaxy hostage, leading to the deaths of millions of people a day via the Reapers, just so the allied forces can play doctor is worse. 

 

The Krogan have wrecked havoc on the galaxy in the past: Ecologically devastating planets. Instigating a war of aggression on the rest of the galaxy, despite the other's repeated attempts at concessions and peace. Attacking a species that they had no previous grievances against, and redirecting three asteroids at Turian garden worlds, rendering them uninhabitable even up to the current times. Etc. 

 

Humans may have had resident "special snowflake" status, and we did push the other species around, but we weren't the ones to launch an unprovoked attack on the rest of the galaxy. 

 

 In fact, i find the company of a krogan far more comfortable than that of a turian, salarian or asari. They are not that different and we don't get to say who lives or who doesn't. At least not without a fair fight. Poison is a coward's weapon (Females like me don't want it) ^^

 

 

We don't get to decide who lives or dies, that's true; which is why the Genophage wasn't a sterility plague. All it did was lower viable birth rates down to pre-industrial levels; the Krogan can still have babies. In reality the Genophage was a mercy.

 

After the actions the Krogan committed against the rest of the galaxy; especially the Turians; they are very, very lucky that they didn't go the way of the Rachni; you know, that species the Krogan are so fond of patting their own backs over, the one they killed every last member of (as far as everyone knew). 

[Lucca_de_Neon]

And holding the galaxy hostage, leading to the deaths of millions of people a day via the Reapers, just so the allied forces can play doctor is worse. 

 

The Krogan have wrecked havoc on the galaxy in the past: Ecologically devastating planets. Instigating a war of aggression on the rest of the galaxy, despite the other's repeated attempts at concessions and peace. Attacking a species that they had no previous grievances against, and redirecting three asteroids at Turian garden worlds, rendering them uninhabitable even up to the current times. Etc. 

 

Humans may have had resident "special snowflake" status, and we did push the other species around, but we weren't the ones to launch an unprovoked attack on the rest of the galaxy. 

 

 

 

 

We don't get to decide who lives or dies, that's true; which is why the Genophage wasn't a sterility plague. All it did was lower viable birth rates down to pre-industrial levels; the Krogan can still have babies. In reality the Genophage was a mercy.

 

After the actions the Krogan committed against the rest of the galaxy; especially the Turians; they are very, very lucky that they didn't go the way of the Rachni; you know, that species the Krogan are so fond of patting their own backs over, the one they killed every last member of (as far as everyone knew). 

Your justification for our actions can be summarized with this: we did all that and we can do a lot more because we are winners. That's it, really. That how everyone justifies every action even today in our goverments. History remembers the winner, the one who writes the books. The council species denied the krogans new planets to inhabit and that is why the invasion began and the krogan were winning and they would have won if not for that cowardly strategy. It was not mercy, it was a new variable in their lives. Lives that were meant to be lived in another way. What the council did was murdering millions of childs (and adults..with the suicides and all) and they tried to force the krogans into living the way others live (meaning that their ways and culture were meant to be left behind instead of letting them figure them out themselves). Krogans were not ready for life in space or galactic community but they were pretty much forced into it and when they stopped being useful, they interfered AGAIN and were forced into their current situation. You can call it whatever you want, but holding a dead baby in your arms when you were thinking about names is murder ^^ Nature should decide who lives and who dies, not politics.
 

[AppealToReason]

Aria is the absolute worst. She does nothing the entire game. At all. Ever.

 

She apparently controls everything happening on Omega and basically within that entire star system yet the first time Cerberus shows up she runs away to the Citadel to... sit on a couch. Again. And then like every other character goes "wah shepurd my place is gone can u help me taek it back plz"

I was actually insulted when Bailey told us in ME3 he was a Commander, the same rank as Shepard, despite him being a mall cop.

 

There were a lot of characters that were so boring and bland I just couldn't have cared about anything they had to say: Liara, Kaiden, Jacob, Samara, James, Kasumi...

[Vortex13]

Your justification for our actions can be summarized with this: we did all that and we can do a lot more because we are winners. That's it, really. That how everyone justifies every action even today in our governments. History remembers the winner, the one who writes the books. The council species denied the krogans new planets to inhabit and that is why the invasion began and the krogan were winning and they would have won if not for that cowardly strategy. It was not mercy, it was a new variable in their lives. Lives that were meant to be lived in another way. What the council did was murdering millions of childs (and adults..with the suicides and all) and they tried to force the krogans into living the way others live (meaning that their ways and culture were meant to be left behind instead of letting them figure them out themselves). Krogans were not ready for life in space or galactic community but they were pretty much forced into it and when they stopped being useful, they interfered AGAIN and were forced into their current situation. You can call it whatever you want, but holding a dead baby in your arms when you were thinking about names is murder ^^ Nature should decide who lives and who dies, not politics.

 

 

The Council did offer the Krogan several planets in rewards for their efforts in the Rachni Wars. The Krogan environmentally destroyed those worlds and then attempted to forcibly seize neighboring systems, many of which were already inhabited by the Salarians and Asari. Even then, the Council tried to negotiate, but when the Krogan refused to back down they acted accordingly; as any sensible government would do when looking out for the welfare of it's citizens. 

 

And the Krogan weren't necessarily winning. They had the numbers sure, but the Salarians and Asari had the intel and technological know-how to effectively cripple Krogan industrial and military complexes, and then when the Turians joined the fray they had the manpower to counter the Krogan advance. The Council would have won, but it would have been bloody; thus the Genophage was created as a means to end hostilities quickly, and with as little damage to infrastructure and living populations as possible. You may call the deployment of the Genophage a cowardly tactic, but what of the Krogan's unprovoked attack on the non-Council species (at the time) of the Truians? What about all those Turian babies that where wiped out along with three garden worlds when the Krogan 'heroically' dropped asteroids on the planets from orbit? 

 

You are right about the Krogan not being ready for uplift into an interstellar society, but it happened. They were needed to combat the Rachni, and the decision was made to bring them into the war; the past is in the past. The moment they left Tuchanka, the old Krogan way of life was dead, their clinging to an outdated and highly aggressive culture only made them antithetical to all the other species in the known galaxy. And if one forces another into a do or die situation, they shouldn't be surprised when the other fights back. Plus, I didn't read about any Krogan complaining when they were offered a way off their nuclear hellhole of a world (a self inflicted one mind you) and given a better standard of living. 

 

Defending one's own against a hostile aggressor is natural. The galaxy rising up to smack the Krogan down is only nature playing out it's course. 

 

 

 

Also, going by the descriptions of Krogan reproduction and numbers of offspring, they fit the description of an R-selected species, and as such they've always had dead Krogan babies. Such a species wouldn't place any level of individual importance on newborns; likely such young wouldn't even be seen as worthwhile until they reached sexual maturity. And that's the problem with the whole Genophage arc in Mass Effect 3 (IMO), it tries to put a human emotional hook on something that is profoundly alien; you can't have it both ways. Even if the Salarians had never uplifted the Krogan, if the Genophage had never been deployed, you would still be looking at hundreds and hundreds of dead young out of the thousands that they would be birthing. 

 

But let's say that every dead Krogan baby as a result of the Genophage is murder, then what about all of those 'week old' Rachni babies (mentally handicapped ones at that) Shepard personally killed in Mass Effect 1? Fair is fair after all, and if the Genophage  is killing the young, then Shepard is a mass murderer of children as well. 

[Dutch's Ghost]

Tali sucked and people who romanced her should feel bad about themselves.

[SentinelMacDeath]

Seriously, if an alien species dropped by and made all human females basically infertile because we're aggressive and breed really fast the human race would fight to have it cured too. You can't fault them for that. It's not 100% the same but you can't fault a species for trying to survive, that's nature right there and the Salarians meddled with it. 

[NKnight7]

I just realized another character I dislike is Jeong on Feros. I try to be nice to him, but I can't help but feel some satisfaction whenever I do end up killing him.

[SentinelMacDeath]

i hate every single person I try to talk down but instead they try to kill me. What do they expect will happen? B*tch I just killed every enemy in the building you evacuated and you think you can take me on? F no! 

[Vortex13]

Seriously, if an alien species dropped by and made all human females basically infertile because we're aggressive and breed really fast the human race would fight to have it cured too. You can't fault them for that. It's not 100% the same but you can't fault a species for trying to survive, that's nature right there and the Salarians meddled with it.

But the Genophage didn't make the Krogan infertile. All it did was lower viable birth rates down to pre-industrial levels, it was the Krogan and their fatalism that lead to their decline.

The only way that your comparison would work is if humanity decided they would rather kill each other, or opine about the days before the aliens infected us than try and work around the problem.

[KaiserShep]

Seriously, if an alien species dropped by and made all human females basically infertile because we're aggressive and breed really fast the human race would fight to have it cured too. You can't fault them for that. It's not 100% the same but you can't fault a species for trying to survive, that's nature right there and the Salarians meddled with it. 

 

No doubt we would have captured as many of those aliens as we could and forced them to work toward finding a cure. 

 

Your justification for our actions can be summarized with this: we did all that and we can do a lot more because we are winners. That's it, really. That how everyone justifies every action even today in our goverments. History remembers the winner, the one who writes the books. The council species denied the krogans new planets to inhabit and that is why the invasion began and the krogan were winning and they would have won if not for that cowardly strategy. It was not mercy, it was a new variable in their lives. Lives that were meant to be lived in another way. What the council did was murdering millions of childs (and adults..with the suicides and all) and they tried to force the krogans into living the way others live (meaning that their ways and culture were meant to be left behind instead of letting them figure them out themselves). Krogans were not ready for life in space or galactic community but they were pretty much forced into it and when they stopped being useful, they interfered AGAIN and were forced into their current situation. You can call it whatever you want, but holding a dead baby in your arms when you were thinking about names is murder ^^ Nature should decide who lives and who dies, not politics.
 

All things considered, the krogan were relatively lucky. The alternative would have been their extinction outright, because the turians would have gladly wiped them out in lieu of any viable alternatives. If not for the genophage, the war would have continued until the council species decide that they simply have to rid the galaxy of the krogan, just like they used the krogan to get rid of the rachni. 

[SentinelMacDeath]

But the Genophage didn't make the Krogan infertile. All it did was lower viable birth rates down to pre-industrial levels, it was the Krogan and their fatalism that lead to their decline.

The only way that your comparison would work is if humanity decided they would rather kill each other, or opine about the days before the aliens infected us than try and work around the problem.

It didn't make them entirely infertile but infertile enough that their race is on a steady decline. Without the cure and after the war they wouldn't recover. Low hatch rate on a planet that takes care of most of the Krogan hatchlings before they reach their teenage years... I'm not blaming anyone for not curing it but I personally don't want this kind of blood on my hands especially knowing that I had the chance to cure something of this proportion. 

 

I'm pretty sure there'd be lots of killing in case of human infertility. Lots of baby and women stealing too. Heck, babies and women are already being stolen/sold and humanity is not on the brink of extinction. 

[Larry-3]

I dislike the Illusive Man.

[Degrees1991]

Only reason I understand not curing the Krogan is if Wrex isn't around. I have faith in Wrex with the Krogan like the Galaxy had for Shepard. Curing the Krogan IMO is based on Wrex and Wrex alone why even save him in 1 if you're just going to screw him and his Race over anyway.

[Lonely Heart Poet]

Only reason I understand not curing the Krogan is if Wrex isn't around. I have faith in Wrex with the Krogan like the Galaxy had for Shepard. Curing the Krogan IMO is based on Wrex and Wrex alone why even save him in 1 if you're just going to screw him and his Race over anyway.

Indeed great leaders can have a massive impacts (Nelson Mandela - but now without him things have gone worse in South Africa), with Wreaw and curing the genophage, very dangerous.

They can reproduce just... too fast and live so long lives... I think BioWare really miscalculated that. 1000 year. That is just. What.

And then they are controlled by species who live as long as 40 years.

[iM3GTR]

1 - Star Brat
2 - Diana Allers
3 - Udina
4 - Kai Leng
5 - Ashley

Out of those five, Ashley was the only well written character (except maybe Udina up until ME3)

[iM3GTR]

Tali sucked and people who romanced her should feel bad about themselves.

She has a shotgun.

[Lucca_de_Neon]

She has a shotgun.

and DEM HIPS!