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[Degrees1991]

Indeed great leaders can have a massive impacts (Nelson Mandela - but now without him things have gone worse in South Africa), with Wreaw and curing the genophage, very dangerous.

They can reproduce just... too fast and live so long lives... I think BioWare really miscalculated that. 1000 year. That is just. What.

And then they are controlled by species who live as long as 40 years.

Yeah never really made much sense if it was the Asari now.

Also I feel that if the cure was left to Mordin I'm sure he did something about the numbers. Well that's my headcanon anyway.

[Vortex13]

Indeed great leaders can have a massive impacts (Nelson Mandela - but now without him things have gone worse in South Africa), with Wreaw and curing the genophage, very dangerous.

They can reproduce just... too fast and live so long lives... I think BioWare really miscalculated that. 1000 year. That is just. What.

And then they are controlled by species who live as long as 40 years.

 

 

Yeah, BioWare really went off the wall with the Krogan here. Thousands of births a year; with each newborn being individually noteworthy to an R-selected species to boot; a thousand year life span, sexually viable their entire adult lives, etc. 

 

That's the makings of a horde of space locusts right there. I mean, going by their stated reproductive cycles, the Krogan sound an awful lot like the Tyranids (minust the individualism) of WH40K; though at least the Tyranids are up front about just wanting to kill and eat everything biological.

[KaiserShep]

I was actually insulted when Bailey told us in ME3 he was a Commander, the same rank as Shepard, despite him being a mall cop.

It doesn't really matter if Bailey is Grand Poobah of C-Sec. His authority is superseded by Shepard's anyway.

[Ahglock]

It didn't make them entirely infertile but infertile enough that their race is on a steady decline. Without the cure and after the war they wouldn't recover. Low hatch rate on a planet that takes care of most of the Krogan hatchlings before they reach their teenage years... I'm not blaming anyone for not curing it but I personally don't want this kind of blood on my hands especially knowing that I had the chance to cure something of this proportion.

I'm pretty sure there'd be lots of killing in case of human infertility. Lots of baby and women stealing too. Heck, babies and women are already being stolen/sold and humanity is not on the brink of extinction.

It was reduced to a point to keep the population stable so it would be like a limit of 2 kids per woman on earth. Countries have imposed harsher limits than that without revolt.

We might fight on general principle of being genetically modified but I don't think we'd be pissed about it effect generations later.

[von uber]

The krogan were only in steady decline due to their own actions - Wrexham makes this clear in me1 and is why he has success in anew way in me2.

Before throwing that out of the window in 3 in another complete character rewrite (hello Legion! Mordin! Nice to see you!).

[KaiserShep]

The krogan were only in steady decline due to their own actions - Wrexham makes this clear in me1 and is why he has success in anew way in me2.
Before throwing that out of the window in 3 in another complete character rewrite (hello Legion! Mordin! Nice to see you!).

It could be argued that the reaper war throws that out the window, since waging war with the reapers doesn't leave a lot of room for his plans to continue. I don't know if I'd say that Mordin was rewritten. He already seemed conflicted in ME2. Deciding to reverse the genophage as a point on his bucket list didn't surprise me at all. The guy went off soul-searching to come to terms with what he was a part of.

[von uber]

Wrexham - lol.

[Degrees1991]

Wrexham - lol.

Got to love predictive text. Somewhere in England sure I heard of it before.

[von uber]

Border of England and Wales. It's a dump.

[Vortex13]

It could be argued that the reaper war throws that out the window, since waging war with the reapers doesn't leave a lot of room for his plans to continue. I don't know if I'd say that Mordin was rewritten. He already seemed conflicted in ME2. Deciding to reverse the genophage as a point on his bucket list didn't surprise me at all. The guy went off soul-searching to come to terms with what he was a part of.

 

 

It's still shows that Wrex is untrustworthy at worst and unreliable at best.

 

In Mass Effect 2 he promised Shepard a Krogan army at his/her back, and in Mass Effect 3 he's giving Shepard the cold shoulder going on about how he/she isn't a true friend unless the Genophage is cured. Really Wrex? All of that help I gave you on the Citadel in hunting down Fist, all the trouble I went through to track down your family armor, and all the sense I talked into you on Virmire doesn't count? Am I only a close friend when I do the things you want?

 

And what is Wrex's deal with playing the race card? The first thing he does when the Turians come to him for aid is to smart off about how poetic it is for them to come crawling to the Krogan for help, and when on Surkesh all he does is insult and threaten the Salarians working there; people that working with him to get Eve out. The narrative tries to portray the Krogan as the poor victims of a cruel, racist galaxy, but Wrex seems to be the only one who is holding on to past grudges and being a bigot; or does he not get that racism goes both ways? 

 

Besides, curing the Genophage during the height of the Reaper invasion is horrible idea. Sure, it will provide a "moral boost" to the Krogan forces, but what happens when the Reapers start targeting pregnant woman and children? Fatalism is actually a better emotional state in an all out war for survival, because you don't need your troops dwelling on how things are doing back home when there's fighting in front of them. 

[Pasquale1234]

Besides, curing the Genophage during the height of the Reaper invasion is horrible idea. Sure, it will provide a "moral boost" to the Krogan forces, but what happens when the Reapers start targeting pregnant woman and children? Fatalism is actually a better emotional state in an all out war for survival, because you don't need your troops dwelling on how things are doing back home when there's fighting in front of them.

Reaper invasions tend to take multiple centuries to complete their "harvests". The wise battlemaster would not view this as a short-term skirmish, but be planning for the long haul - which would include being able to replenish troops lost in combat.

With reaper activity already underway on Tuchanka, and a little matter of a potential new rachni infestation under krogan investigation, Wrex has no legitimate reason to send troops to Palaven.

Every other species was looking out for themselves at that juncture. Aside from the turian fighter squadron that helped Shepard at the shroud (which was actually for Palaven's benefit), the krogan were the first species to send troops to help defend another species' home planet.

[xAmilli0n]

Aria is the absolute worst. She does nothing the entire game. At all. Ever.

 

She says F*** and then kisses Shep.  She did plenty.

[Vortex13]

Reaper invasions tend to take multiple centuries to complete their "harvests". The wise battlemaster would not view this as a short-term skirmish, but be planning for the long haul - which would include being able to replenish troops lost in combat.

With reaper activity already underway on Tuchanka, and a little matter of a potential new rachni infestation under krogan investigation, Wrex has no legitimate reason to send troops to Palaven.

Every other species was looking out for themselves at that juncture. Aside from the turian fighter squadron that helped Shepard at the shroud (which was actually for Palaven's benefit), the krogan were the first species to send troops to help defend another species' home planet.

A Reaper harvest may take centuries, but if you are counting on replenishing your numbers to fight them over that kind of time scale then you are only delaying the inevitable. The Galaxy only has enough cohesion for one major push against the Reapers, failing that just means a slow, debilitating extinction that makes the obstacles presented by the Genophage look like heaven in comparison.

The Turians were actually helping the other species, including the Krogan, by keeping the majority of the Reaper fleets engaged. Because Palavan was burning Tuchanka was free of major Reaper activity. They only manged to send a single destroyer to secure the Krogan homeworld and Rannoch because the Turian military had their fleets bogged down.


Comparatively, the Turians were doing the most to help the Galaxy by their sheer refusal to surrender; which also ment that they were suffering the most grievous casualties of the other species; and Wrex still has the gall to get all hissy when they ask him for the help he already promised Shepard.

Likewise, the Rachni (if the Queen was spared in ME 1) would have done more to help the allied forces if they weren't taken out off camera. For two years she had been preparing her forces, and judging by the amount of Ravengers present on the battlefield, she had kept her word to Shepard regarding their aid. If the writers hadn't have railroaded the Rachni into being wiped out; and having a complete repeat of the ME 1 decision; they would have been first in line to help assist the other species. In fact, the first thing the Queen does, if rescued, is send help to the Crucible project.

 

No dragging her feet, no demands of concessions or restitutions for past wrongs. Just complete and total support, no questions asked.

[Han Shot First]

Border of England and Wales. It's a dump.

 

So the Tuchanka of Britain, then?

 

On this side of the pond, that would be Detroit. 

[von uber]

So the Tuchanka of Britain, then?

 

On this side of the pond, that would be Detroit. 

 

Nah, more there is just.. nothing of interest.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wrexham

 

Although it has a disturbingly detailed wikepedia entry.

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

The structure of Krogan society is based upon clans. Still within clans there are struggles for power and who will lead the clan. Those who lead are the most aggressive and strongest in battle. By tradition, their goals have been to dominate other clans by brute force. According to Krogan oral history now in Citadel records, these warlords chart the course of their clans for hundreds of years. Their practice has deviated little since the Krogan post-nuclear war period 4000 years ago. It is logical to conclude that this has caused Krogan society to stagnate with lack of education, little scientific research and technological innovation to rebuild Krogan civilization, instead with any such efforts set upon destroying other clans and taking their females. Wrex attempted to change this, but what of the other warlords? Wreav?

 

This did not change pre or post genophage. With the natural birth rate the Krogan would have repopulated Tuchanka quite rapidly after the nuclear war, their numbers reduced only by the harsh environment. But apparently the Krogan are a hearty species and were able to survive the irradiated landscape. The Salarians gave them the Shroud to protect the surface and allow the Krogan to better thrive. Even post genophage they have over 3 billion on the planet.

[SlottsMachine]

I generally choose to cure the genophage but I completely understand why someone would choose not to. 

[SentinelMacDeath]

you could argue that the Reapers knew that the Krogan are basically ground troops without ships from other races, which makes it easy for the Reapers to swoop in and laser everything down. I guess they didn't plan on the alliances that were being forged at that moment. 

 

I only ever cure the Genophage with Wrex and Bakara in charge ... there is a small chance for some peace. If not, I'm sure the Salarians can come up with something new or the Turian just build another giant bomb ... 

[von uber]

I don't understand why the Reapers didn't just destroy the place from orbit. As far as I am aware there were no processing facilities on Tuchanka.

[Pasquale1234]

I don't understand why the Reapers didn't just destroy the place from orbit. As far as I am aware there were no processing facilities on Tuchanka.

They were using krogan to make brutes, and were harvesting them from somewhere, right?

[themikefest]

I don't cure the genophage. There's no reason to cure it. I'm interested in getting as much help as possible to stop the reapers

[Gotholhorakh]

I lykd pretty much all the charickters to be honest, except maybe shopard.

[DanishViking]

the little **** kid from mass effect 3.

[Vortex13]

the little **** kid from mass effect 3.

 

 

Indeed. 

 

I felt more concern for Michael and Rebekah's son Jake than I did for that random (and possibly not real) kid.

[TheBunz]

Is this the 16y/o I hate everything thread?

How do you even make friends?