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[agonis]

Is this the 16y/o I hate everything thread?

How do you even make friends?

 

I dunno. Hate unites?

[Lucca_de_Neon]

Is this the 16y/o I hate everything thread?

How do you even make friends?

What is a friend? I do not know that word

[Iakus]

Is this the 16y/o I hate everything thread?

How do you even make friends?

Not with talk like that.  That's for sure

 

I dunno. Hate unites?

"Misery loves company" 

[KaiserShep]

I dunno. Hate unites?

I guess there's enough rallies to prove that statement true.

[Ziggy XT]

Hate is to strong a word but mine would be Kaidan, though truth be told it is Carth i don't like and that damn voice from KOTOR is imprinted in my brain now.

 

[Lucca_de_Neon]

 

Hate is to strong a word but mine would be Kaidan, though truth be told it is Carth i don't like and that damn voice from KOTOR is imprinted in my brain now.

 

 

OH TOUCHÉ!! i never made the connection!

[aoibhealfae]

honestly, I like Sbarge's voice from the start. Its his real voice and he can act with just using subtle voice techniques just like Hale. Love egging him in KOTOR.

 

But Brandon Keener's voice always bugs me from the start because the voice distortion made it harder for me to read him. It took like sixth trilogy playthrough to realize he was always a condescending passive aggressive jerk whose second language is sarcasm. And he's not Steve Blum or Brian Bloom or Troy Baker, the guttural voice is unnatural for him. 

[von uber]

Is this the 16y/o I hate everything thread?

How do you even make friends?

Don't all your friends try to sleep with you?

[Suketchi]

Is it wrong that I hate Tali? Okay, maybe hate is a strong word... really really REALLY dislike Tali? I feel like she's basically just the embodiment of Quarian culture (which I don't really care for), and doesn't think much for herself outside of that.

 

I tried to like her, I really did, but... she makes it so hard. I wish she weren't my least favorite Mass Effect character, but she is. T_T

[Killdren88]

Star child and all he represents. An alternative name is star-jar.

[Vortex13]

Star child and all he represents. An alternative name is star-jar.

 

 

I think that you're giving Jar Jar Binks too much credit. 

 

 

The Catalyst is more akin to midichlorians (IMO). Something that sucks all the fun and mystery out of the setting as well as something that everyone quietly pretends never happened and hasn't been mentioned again.

[themikefest]

Is it wrong that I hate Tali? Okay, maybe hate is a strong word... really really REALLY dislike Tali? I feel like she's basically just the embodiment of Quarian culture (which I don't really care for), and doesn't think much for herself outside of that.

 

I tried to like her, I really did, but... she makes it so hard. I wish she weren't my least favorite Mass Effect character, but she is. T_T

Nothing wrong with not liking Tali. My biggest problem with her is that she never cared about her own species. While the geth uploads the code, what does she do? Nothing. She stands there like the dumba** she is letting her species be wiped out. The same can be said about Raan if Tali isn't in ME3

[TheBunz]

Don't all your friends try to sleep with you?

Hate it? Teen angst

[CrimsonN7]

Is it wrong that I hate Tali? Okay, maybe hate is a strong word... really really REALLY dislike Tali? I feel like she's basically just the embodiment of Quarian culture (which I don't really care for), and doesn't think much for herself outside of that.

 

I tried to like her, I really did, but... she makes it so hard. I wish she weren't my least favorite Mass Effect character, but she is. T_T

 

I wish I could like this post more.

[10K]

Oh this one is easy. Liara EAware's waifu.

[Quarian Master Race]

Is it wrong that I hate Tali? Okay, maybe hate is a strong word... really really REALLY dislike Tali? I feel like she's basically just the embodiment of Quarian culture (which I don't really care for), and doesn't think much for herself outside of that.

 

I tried to like her, I really did, but... she makes it so hard. I wish she weren't my least favorite Mass Effect character, but she is. T_T

It's sort of the point. The species has a collectivist psychology. To be quarian is to know your place in the greater universe, to have a purpose that is clear, and a direction that is certain.The true quarian knows only hardship, toil and sacrifice in the interest of the nation, even at times while other weaker beings would complain. The true quarian understands that the needs of the many come before the needs of the individual, especially at a time like the ones the games place in when the cowardly enemy occupies our worlds. Those who criticize her for having her priorities in the proper order as you have are often coming from a human perspective, imprisoned by the laws, culture and so called "civility" of a selfish, frivolous, and wasteful individualistic perspective.

Though I like her, Tali's actually among my less favourite quarians because she falters in this regard on occasion. Her pampered life outside the Flotilla can make her question the undeniable, self evident facts of the universe and turn her into a weak willed toaster hugger. Her character, if the duplicitous talking toaster is rightfully sent to be studied for advantages over the machines, is agreeable enough. I especially love the "I knew that thing would turn on us" line she makes in regard to the Legion VI machine after dutifully deactivating it with her knife and becoming a hero of her nation in this potentiality, but the manner in which she acts and some of the things she says in other story permutations suggests that her quarian credentials are somewhat lacking if pushed, her will somewhat weak compared to her comrades when it comes down to it. Some of it can be excused as the nature of the medium (RPG games often make characters act OOC schizophrenics, and not anything like real people, in the interest of "muh choices" mechanics), but it still makes her look not as impressive compared to true heroes of the species like Admirals Xen and Gerrel, with their unwavering resolve and loyalty. It also explains why some of the toaster huggers who refuse to hold the toasters accountable for their traitorous crimes seem to still like her while racistly disliking the glorious true quarians.

[Killdren88]

I think that you're giving Jar Jar Binks too much credit. 

 

 

The Catalyst is more akin to midichlorians (IMO). Something that sucks all the fun and mystery out of the setting as well as something that everyone quietly pretends never happened and hasn't been mentioned again.

 

I can forgive the Midi-chlorians, as I love Darth Plagueis. Jar-Jar  ruined episode 1 for me. The Catalyst ruined ME for me. 

[CronoDragoon]

Is it wrong that I hate Tali? Okay, maybe hate is a strong word... really really REALLY dislike Tali? I feel like she's basically just the embodiment of Quarian culture (which I don't really care for), and doesn't think much for herself outside of that.
 
I tried to like her, I really did, but... she makes it so hard. I wish she weren't my least favorite Mass Effect character, but she is. T_T

To a certain extent you are correct. In Mass Effect 1, Tali really is just a mouthpiece for the quarians, feeling more like a librarian explaining things to you than a character. And even though the subsequent games as I will argue do flesh out her character, to a large extent as someone who believes in her people, she was always going to be a character representative of her race.

However, starting with ME2, I don't agree that she doesn't think much for herself outside of the larger beliefs of quarian culture, and part of her character is to serve as someone who is both outside her race but still a part of it.

She and Koris are the two figures primarily responsible for any belief that peace with the geth is a possibility, which is counter to the general (justified) fear and hate with which the geth are held. She'll also agree with Shepard when he comments on certain things the Quarians do being stupid. I'd also say that her desire to protect her father's reputation even to the point of exile is fairly selfish and against what quarian society would deem the proper course of action.

By the end of Mass Effect 3, she's also elevated herself above the grievances quarians tend to learn towards other races while on pilgrimage: her story about the Turian officer, for example. And it's notable that she comes to love the "vas Normandy" title and come to regard it as her home, commenting that she prefers the quiet of the engine room above the noise of the Flotilla. She also reveals a certain amount of discomfort once Rannoch is taken back, contrary to the expected reaction of nothing but relief and happiness at retaking the homeland.

But again, this is just my interpretation of the character.

[Fixers0]

Most of the Alliance top brass and Hackett in particular, We hear and read a lot about the Alliance's military prowess but when they're needed they are almost never there Throughout ME1 Hackett's keept contacting Shepard on his Galaxy saving mission to fix up stuff for the Alliance that they couldn't have very well done themselves, Hackett's talks like Shepard is the only one in the Alliance that knows the right of a rifle. In ME2 the Alliance is still on their coffee breaks, It is suggested and later confirmed that they're doing something behind the screen to prepare for the Reaper arrival but it is of no consquence because they still got rolled over. which Brings to ME3, were Alliance under Hackett's command puts up the most pitifull defense of all Council races. The mobilisation starts like an hour or so before the actual arrival and the communciation protocols were's so good that Neither Hackett nor the other Admirals could signal a message to earth to start the evacution. So After losing three fleets and severly depleting another three Hackett is somehow still in charge and makes the questionable decision to devote tremendous amount's of raw resources, personel and technologie in a supposed weapon of which he does not know the function.   

[Spectr61]

Mac Walters?  (Joking, do not hate anyone from BioWare.)

Careful Beer,

Me warning post came from detailing my thoughts on him and the ME3 endings.

Thin skinners unite!

[KaiserShep]

Most of the Alliance top brass and Hackett in particular, We hear and read a lot about the Alliance's military prowess but when they're needed they are almost never there Throughout ME1 Hackett's keept contacting Shepard on his Galaxy saving mission to fix up stuff for the Alliance that they couldn't have very well done themselves, Hackett's talks like Shepard is the only one in the Alliance that knows the right of a rifle. In ME2 the Alliance is still on their coffee breaks, It is suggested and later confirmed that they're doing something behind the screen to prepare for the Reaper arrival but it is of no consquence because they still got rolled over. which Brings to ME3, were Alliance under Hackett's command puts up the most pitifull defense of all Council races. The mobilisation starts like an hour or so before the actual arrival and the communciation protocols were's so good that Neither Hackett nor the other Admirals could signal a message to earth to start the evacution. So After losing three fleets and severly depleting another three Hackett is somehow still in charge and makes the questionable decision to devote tremendous amount's of raw resources, personel and technologie in a supposed weapon of which he does not know the function.   

 

I dunno. If not for the Alliance, Sovereign would have decimated the Citadel fleet and reactivated the mass relay. Anyway, if anything, the Alliance was far more competent in ME3 than they had any right to be, considering how new they were to the scene. The turians were shuffling about the galaxy flexing their muscles for a thousand years, while these newcomers managed to not only survive, but were able to pull enough resources away to build the thing that saves everyone. 

[Celtic Latino]

Besides Starbrat?

Of the companions, I'd say it's a tie between Ashley and Grunt. Ashley's voice just irritates me (she sounds incredibly snotty and full of attitude) and her out of control behavior in ME3. Grunt because he just offers very little signficiance. I don't hate his personality (what there is anyway) but nothing really makes me care for the character.

Of the whole series? Joker. And I'm in the minority because he's a fan favorite, but I absolutely hated his personality. He was incredibly rude and caustic in the first game, gets Shepard killed because of his stupidity in the first part of the second game, then there's that annoying part where you had to play as him...ugh...that's one character I never liked no matter what. Wanted to toss him out of the airlock and get a new pilot, even if it meant EDI takes over.

[Suketchi]

I wish I could like this post more.

 

Welp, I was going to try and give it one of my likes for you too, but apparently you can't like your own posts. That's disappointing.

 

Nothing wrong with not liking Tali. My biggest problem with her is that she never cared about her own species. While the geth uploads the code, what does she do? Nothing. She stands there like the dumba** she is letting her species be wiped out. The same can be said about Raan if Tali isn't in ME3

 

EXACTLY. That part frustrated me too. YOUR THE ADMIRAL, TALI. NOT ME. WHY SHOULD I HAVE TO BE THE ONE TO CONVINCE YOUR SPECIES NOT TO KILL THEMSELVES?! YOU'RE THE ONE WHO CARES SO MUCH! THEY'RE PISSING ME OFF ANYWAYS!! Hey, wait, what are you- FINE THEN, GO AHEAD! JUMP! WHO NEEDS YOU! ... *sniff* 

 

With how adamantly she argues with you about the Geth, you'd think she could persuade her people with equal conviction.

 

To a certain extent you are correct. In Mass Effect 1, Tali really is just a mouthpiece for the quarians, feeling more like a librarian explaining things to you than a character. And even though the subsequent games as I will argue do flesh out her character, to a large extent as someone who believes in her people, she was always going to be a character representative of her race.

However, starting with ME2, I don't agree that she doesn't think much for herself outside of the larger beliefs of quarian culture, and part of her character is to serve as someone who is both outside her race but still a part of it.

She and Koris are the two figures primarily responsible for any belief that peace with the geth is a possibility, which is counter to the general (justified) fear and hate with which the geth are held. She'll also agree with Shepard when he comments on certain things the Quarians do being stupid. I'd also say that her desire to protect her father's reputation even to the point of exile is fairly selfish and against what quarian society would deem the proper course of action.

By the end of Mass Effect 3, she's also elevated herself above the grievances quarians tend to learn towards other races while on pilgrimage: her story about the Turian officer, for example. And it's notable that she comes to love the "vas Normandy" title and come to regard it as her home, commenting that she prefers the quiet of the engine room above the noise of the Flotilla. She also reveals a certain amount of discomfort once Rannoch is taken back, contrary to the expected reaction of nothing but relief and happiness at retaking the homeland.

But again, this is just my interpretation of the character.

 

That's true. I actually agree with a lot of your interpretation, Tali definitely fleshed out as a character better in the last two games. I was just too frustrated at that point. In the second game, I was angry with how she handled Legion and the Geth. In the third game, I was frustrated with how she dealt with being an admiral. She definitely became more of an individual by that point though, and that's something I can admire about her character.

 

It's sort of the point. The species has a collectivist psychology. To be quarian is to know your place in the greater universe, to have a purpose that is clear, and a direction that is certain.The true quarian knows only hardship, toil and sacrifice in the interest of the nation, even at times while other weaker beings would complain. The true quarian understands that the needs of the many come before the needs of the individual, especially at a time like the ones the games place in when the cowardly enemy occupies our worlds. Those who criticize her for having her priorities in the proper order as you have are often coming from a human perspective, imprisoned by the laws, culture and so called "civility" of a selfish, frivolous, and wasteful individualistic perspective.

Though I like her, Tali's actually among my less favourite quarians because she falters in this regard on occasion. Her pampered life outside the Flotilla can make her question the undeniable, self evident facts of the universe and turn her into a weak willed toaster hugger. Her character, if the duplicitous talking toaster is rightfully sent to be studied for advantages over the machines, is agreeable enough. I especially love the "I knew that thing would turn on us" line she makes in regard to the Legion VI machine after dutifully deactivating it with her knife and becoming a hero of her nation in this potentiality, but the manner in which she acts and some of the things she says in other story permutations suggests that her quarian credentials are somewhat lacking if pushed, her will somewhat weak compared to her comrades when it comes down to it. Some of it can be excused as the nature of the medium (RPG games often make characters act OOC schizophrenics, and not anything like real people, in the interest of "muh choices" mechanics), but it still makes her look not as impressive compared to true heroes of the species like Admirals Xen and Gerrel, with their unwavering resolve and loyalty. It also explains why some of the toaster huggers who refuse to hold the toasters accountable for their traitorous crimes seem to still like her while racistly disliking the glorious true quarians.

 

...I don't know about the 'weaker species would complain' bit, because some Quarians definitely do their fair share of complaining, but... XD

 

I can understand the lifestyle and psychology of Quarian culture, and that in itself doesn't really bug me. I wouldn't like living it, but it makes sense. What I really don't like is the conformity that Tali represented by embodying Quarian culture. She didn't form her own opinions about the Geth, or the world in general. Her perspective on life was based entirely on what she'd been told, without giving it much thought of her own... which wasn't her fault, I mean, she hadn't even left the flotilla before ME1. And further into the series, she does grow as a character. 

 

I guess in the end it all comes down to how much I love the Geth. It made it hard for me to like Tali, especially when she was so mean to Legion in the second game... I understand why she feels the way she feels and does the things she does, but I don't like her for it. XD

[prizm123]

Diana Allers was a waste of time, Kaiden i always felt was obsolete with his implants, Kai Leng was a mary sue villain, FakeShep was annoying

[Celtic Latino]

Diana Allers was a waste of time, Kaiden i always felt was obsolete with his implants, Kai Leng was a mary sue villain, FakeShep was annoying

Completely forgot about Allers. Shameless IGN fansert smh...