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[Seboist]

Allers wouldn't have been bad if they had kept the option to cheat on a 'mance partner with her from the leaked ME3 script. Alas....

[GoldenGail3]

Ashley.

[Helios969]

Most hated companion: A tie between Kaiden and Jacob (because they're so damn boring.)

 

Most hated rival (which is actually good):  TIM

 

Most hated character (due to lameness):  A tie between Kai Lang and Benezia

[von uber]

Tali's best moment is the look she gives when Jacob tells her to say hi to the ship Ai. It's also Jacob's best moment outside of his loyalty mission.

[aoibhealfae]

Nah, Jacob's moment is when he volunteered to get killed in the tubes.

[KaiserShep]

Tali's best moment is the look she gives when Jacob tells her to say hi to the ship Ai. It's also Jacob's best moment outside of his loyalty mission.

Jacob earned some points with that one. I was technically in agreement with Tali for her lack of trust in Cerberus, but she was being rather obnoxious about it in the comm room, so she kind of deserved to be trolled.

[Quarian Master Race]

 

EXACTLY. That part frustrated me too. YOUR THE ADMIRAL, TALI. NOT ME. WHY SHOULD I HAVE TO BE THE ONE TO CONVINCE YOUR SPECIES NOT TO KILL THEMSELVES?! YOU'RE THE ONE WHO CARES SO MUCH! THEY'RE PISSING ME OFF ANYWAYS!! Hey, wait, what are you- FINE THEN, GO AHEAD! JUMP! WHO NEEDS YOU! ... *sniff* 

 

With how adamantly she argues with you about the Geth, you'd think she could persuade her people with equal conviction.

That was hilariously terrible RPG writing designed entirely to foister the choice of who lives and dies upon the player rather than letting the scene play out organically, combined with the faults of the P/R system. Going space Hitler on the quarians by hiding that you are upgrading the geth and leading them into a slaughter is deemed a paragon action, so Tali and Raan had to grab the idiot ball, fail to do their job as a Military Admiral and relay even basic tactical information like "Toasters have Reaper upgrades again, weapon won't work", then kill themselves to avoid a Renegade interrupt that would have been required to stop them had they tried to do what they seem to have no problem doing when Space Jesus gives narrative permission and deems the quarians worthy of his grace instead (destroy Legion/VI without a second thought). When I watched it I couldn't even feel sad about it because it was such laughably terrible schlock, and the feely soundtrack only makes it even more hilarious. Everyone in the scene becomes a blithering idiot because the writers/animators were short on time with ME3 and couldn't bother to do a unique scene where you tell Han'Gerrel about the upgrades and he just laughs it off and goes General Ripper anyway, or break from the slavish P/R system and have you shoot Tali/Raan in the face so she doesn't stick Legion in the back. Instead they just slightly modified the "peace" outcome that they assumed everyone would pick anyway.

Though the other two outcomes are hardly better. In the Renegade one, Shep first gets the idiot ball, apologizes to the toaster for telling it that it can't keep the as far as we know extremely dangerous Reaper code (even if you've played the most John/Sarah Connor esque toaster hater in existence up to this point) and literally walks right up next to it and turns their back, instead of readying weapons like a sane person would do against an enemy combatant. Legion/VI predictably attacks Shep, but then has to get the idiot ball and attempts to give a gloating Bond villain monolouge that gets it shot/stabbed, when it could have simply tossed Shep off a cliff like the emotionless machine it is. The "peace" where everyone gets over 3 centuries of socially programmed hatred in 3 seconds due to the power of feels is so outlandishly bad that I don't even feel like elaborating on it.

It's "muh choices" amatuer writing like Rannoch with schizophrenic acting characters which is the reason that RPGs will never be taken seriously as a form of storytelling by art critics.

 

 

 

...I don't know about the 'weaker species would complain' bit, because some Quarians definitely does her fair share of complaining, but... XD

 

I can understand the lifestyle and psychology of Quarian culture, and that in itself doesn't really bug me. I wouldn't like living it, but it makes sense. What I really don't like is the conformity that Tali represented by embodying Quarian culture. She didn't form her own opinions about the Geth, or the world in general. Her perspective on life was based entirely on what she'd been told, without giving it much thought of her own... which wasn't her fault, I mean, she hadn't even left the flotilla before ME1. And further into the series, she does grow as a character. 

 

I guess in the end it all comes down to how much I love the Geth. It made it hard for me to like Tali, especially when she was so mean to Legion in the second game... I understand why she feels the way she feels and does the things she does, but I don't like her for it. XD

Precisely my point and why I didn't like Tali as much as other quarians. She's tough and focused enough if you never activate Legion, but otherwise she cries about her duties almost as much as that whining suit wetter Koris or Paragon Shep, compared to someone like Gerrel or Xen who simply do what needs to be done and go about the business of taking back their Homeworld from those traitorous thieves who stole it from them. Human culture made her soft

Uhh, Tali's whole character development arc if you activate Legion is about "forming her own (silly and naïve) opinions about the geth" and the world in general, and thinking outside of her social programming. She's more a human in an eviro suit than a quarian by the end of ME3, and paradoxically ends up having a higher opinion of the geth than literally any other Normandy crew member. Seriously, listen to the crew reactions after you destroy the geth once. Literally everyone except Tali (and arguably Liara, who at least says the geth would have been "useful" while still doubting their sentience) gloats about the fact that they're gone (oh and EDI, but it doesn't count at all). She is the only character other than a Paragon Shepard who will defend Legion on its use of Reaper code ("no, Legion is on our side") and the only one I know of who will literally call it her friend (in her pouting if you choose the quarians, she says something like "all we had to do was murder a friend"). Contrast this with Garrus (the only other character who served with Legion in ME2) who gets annnoyed by it in their one conversation over the radio in ME3, and then goes along to gloat about its being destroyed along with the rest of the geth, thinking Tali would be doing the same (she doesn't). Even the usually full Paragon shill Kaidan is absolutely elated that you blew up those awful murdertoasters.

Mean to Legion in the 2nd game? So she's mean to the duplicitous toaster that unprovokedly tries to steal classified military data that will almost certainly be used to kill her people almost right after you bring it onboard? What a shock. Quite frankly I'm surprised she didn't immediately pull the trigger, as that's what I wanted to tell her to do, because it's not as if she attempted to disable Legion and send its schematics to Xen or something first(the equivalent). Legion was 100% responsible for that incident. You can have all the baggage you want, but secure that shіt at the airlock and focus on the mission instead of running around causing problems. I'd expect such childish pettiness from someone with no discipline like Jack, but not from an emotionless robot.

Otherwise, I don't see how her suspicion of the geth is any different from anyone elses. Jacob is goading you to toss it out the airlock and Miranda to send it to be dissected the moment you bring it onboard, which Tali does nothing of the sort (she even defends it when Xen asks to do similar things to it that Miranda was suggesting). Literally no one likes Legion, so how is she different? Having brought the two along on missions with everyone in the 2nd game, if anything she's among the most amicable and friendly to it in ME2 just as in 3 (take them on each other's Loyalty Mission for once). I actually hate that about her reactions with Legion in the picture, because unlike the others she's the one with two decades from birth of social programming that these things are the monsters that stole her homeworld, are responsible for the current living hardships in living conditions of the quarian people, and must be destroyed. Yet she gets over her hangups faster than anyone? Awful character writing.

I think you're seeing the character and her species as too much one in the same. Biower designed us to be the entirely unsympathetic faceless zealot punching bags (in some cases literally) to anyone who shared their transhumanist religion, with Tali (and to a lesser extent Koris) serving as the sole enlightened voices of "reason".  If you like the machines, you should love Tali, because she's a textbook example that even the most "ignorant" and "misguided" organics can learn to be best friends with the broken toaster that burned down their house and killed their entire family, given the chance.

[Quarian Master Race]

Nah, Jacob's moment is when he volunteered to get killed in the tubes.

"Sounds like a suicide mission, I volunteer". One of the best lines of the series, up there with "I thought asari needed other species to reproduce" and "a bullet to the head solves everything".

It was like his own 4th wall breaking acknowledgement of the fact that he was the most useless character on the team, and his only possible use could be in meatshielding another useful squadmember from a potential rocket to the face.

[Dalakaar]

Wow QMR. I think you really like quarians.

[Iakus]

"Sounds like a suicide mission, I volunteer". Literally one of the best lines of the series.

It was like his own 4th wall breaking acknowledgement of the fact that he was the most useless character on the team, and his only possible use could be in shielding another useful squadmember from a potential rocket to the face.

Yeah how can a decorated Alliance officer and biotic compete against

 

A genetically engineered superkrogan

The most powerful human biotic ever

an asari knight-errant

a literal quarian princess

a genetically engineered "perfect" human

one of the most brilliant salarian scientists alive

a one-platform Shepard fan club

 

Of course a vanilla mortal like Jacob is going to seem boring when the rest of the crew is over-the-top bad@sses.

[Felya87]

Yeah how can a decorated Alliance officer and biotic compete against

 

A genetically engineered superkrogan

The most powerful human biotic ever

an asari knight-errant

a literal quarian princess

a genetically engineered "perfect" human

one of the most brilliant salarian scientists alive

a one-platform Shepard fan club

 

Of course a vanilla mortal like Jacob is going to seem boring when the rest of the crew is over-the-top bad@sses.

 

You've forgotten Omega's Batman 

[Vortex13]

You've forgotten Omega's Batman 

 

 

I would go with Punisher personally.

[Iakus]

You've forgotten Omega's Batman 

True.  But I didn't feel like doing a rundown of the entire squad, so I just gave a few examples 

[Norhik Krios]

Kepral's Syndrome...

I will find Liam Neeson. And he will find you. And he will kill you.

Spoiler

R.I.P Thane Krios

[Felya87]

I would go with Punisher personally.

 

Yeah, but I'm stuck with Garrus = Batman I don't really remember why... Probably because of various jokes I've made with my friends 

 

True.  But I didn't feel like doing a rundown of the entire squad, so I just gave a few examples 

 

Garrus must be one of the most "over the top" characters in ME2.  felt strange not having him mentioned.

[Iakus]

 

Garrus must be one of the most "over the top" characters in ME2.  felt strange not having him mentioned.

I suppose I could have said 'Spectre-quality turian vigilante who held off three merc armies for several days by himself' 

[Quarian Master Race]

Yeah how can a decorated Alliance officer and biotic compete against

 

A genetically engineered superkrogan

The most powerful human biotic ever

an asari knight-errant

a literal quarian princess

a genetically engineered "perfect" human

one of the most brilliant salarian scientists alive

a one-platform Shepard fan club

 

Of course a vanilla mortal like Jacob is going to seem boring when the rest of the crew is over-the-top bad@sses.

The funny thing is that he isn't actually most useless. You can use him as the bravo fireteam leader, and provided you fixed his daddy issues he does an admirable job (I guess the dad that he supposedly doesn't even care about that much is too much on his mind while he's literally getting shot at otherwise).

That honour goes to someone like Thane, who provides no useful technologies or abilities and doesn't do anything in a successful SM team except serve as another gun, but not a very good one because he can't even hold the line well like Zaeed or Grunt.

[Vortex13]

I suppose I could have said 'Spectre-quality turian vigilante who held off three merc armies for several days by himself' 

 

 

Speaking of Turian Spectres, I find it funny that we never see any outside of Nilus and Saren in the entire trilogy. I mean you would think that the most militarily prominent species in the know galaxy would have more than two Spectres running around.

 

At the very least, Ka/Ashely should have been at the tail end of a very long line of Turian applicants in ME 3.

[Felya87]

I suppose I could have said 'Spectre-quality turian vigilante who held off three merc armies for several days by himself' 

 

And who survived a missle in the face!   

[Quarian Master Race]

Wow QMR. I think you really like quarians.

No, I hate them and this account is just a super elaborate troll.

[Vortex13]

No, I hate them and this account is just a super elaborate troll.

 

 

Good idea.

 

 

Dang. I should have picked Krogan Master Race as my profile name then.

[themikefest]

Nah, Jacob's moment is when he volunteered to get killed in the tubes.

Jacob's best moment is in ME3, if alive. He, along with Dr. Cole, help Shepard and provide cover fire to get Shepard back to the shuttle safely. What were the ME3 squadmates doing? Maybe they were taking notes on how to provide cover fire.

[themikefest]

I suppose I could have said 'Spectre-quality turian vigilante who held off three merc armies for several days by himself' 

And for some reason, if his loyalty mission isn't completed, he can die during the suicide mission as 2nd fireteam leader

[Quarian Master Race]

Good idea.

 

 

Dang. I should have picked Krogan Master Race as my profile name then.

Another illustrious poster already had Krogan Supreme Species due to my glorious 60 page long (before it was locked by cowardly toaster sympathizers) Master Race thread last year, but I think he changed it back so go for it. You get like 3 name changes per several month period if you get bored.

You should do it then type in all caps, misspell everything really bad, whine about being afflicted with a stable birthrate, and talk about murdering something every other post. You could make the krogan look more terrible than they already make themselves look.

[MrFob]

For me, it would probably be Kai Leng.

I hate him in two ways. I hate how he was executed so poorly, both from an art perspective as well as his plot and gameplay implementation, which all squandered a lot of potential that the character had from Drew K's novels.

But even then, they did manage to also make me hate the character in universe a lot, which is not a bad thing. During my first playthrough, I really had no problem roleplaying my Shepard to really want to kill the bastard, especially after Thessia.

 

BTW, the star kid doesn't count, since I don't regard it as a character but just a weird and completely inappropriate plot device.