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[themikefest]

This, it can't really be argued that Liara is the writer's pet when Team Dextro is on the squad in all three games.

They can be on the squad for all 3 games. Garrus doesn't have to be recruited in ME1. He can die in ME2 so he won't show up in ME3. Tali doesn't have to be recruited in ME2 therefore not on the squad in ME3.
 

And Bioware always gives more content to the more popular characters,

Fortunately most of it can be avoided, depending on the playthrough
 

Most people prefered to see more content of Liara or Garrus than of Jacob or Kaidan, that had nothing to do with being a "writer's pet".

The best part about that is that it takes an ME2 squadmate, Jacob, if alive in ME3, to provide cover fire for Shepard while Cole is helping Shepard get to the shuttle. So while Garrus and Liara have more content, them not helping Shepard makes them look pathetic. What's the point of having squadmates if they aren't going to help?

[Livi14]

I'm not sure how anyone would expect Javik to have any insight into defeating the reapers. His entire civilization totally failed. Their only successes were basically exploited by the time he's discovered.

My point was that Javik does not add anything to the story. There isn't a single place where Javik makes a difference, where his existence as a prothean, from a storyline perspective, has anything necessary to add. He has no added value. He is just another gun, and I have already plenty of them. I didn't feel like I really learned anything new either. We witness the protheans being wiped out, something we already knew happened, and he didn't really explain much of what was going on with the crucible which he explains with a piece of dialogue about being a soldier, not a scientist. When you take him on Thessia he just hammers in what you're already learning about the asari worshiping protheans, without really adding anything of note (and we know some of his claims are even wrong, like his idea that the prothean gave the asari biotics). Great! We know since ME1 that all space-faring species are based on Prothean technology, not to mention that you will get all the relevant information on asari-prothean relationship regardless of who you bring. Even someone like James Vega, who is not familiar with the genophage, or the reason why Salarians and the Turians are disliked by the Krogan, points out that the statues in the temple look like protheans.

He intentionally tries to demoralize his fellow squad members and takes pleasure in making the people who are supposed to trust him in battle miserable. That's all he does, and I don't see how this is useful. He's basically a condescending racist and the worst part is that no one ever calls him out on it. If someone just put him in his place once in awhile I think I'd have much less of a problem with him.

[aoibhealfae]

I find it ironic that the game allow you to kill every other companions very facerolling easy but you have to play the game and work to get a very low EMS just to have some satisfaction of watching her getting pulverized.... 

[themikefest]

There isn't a single place where Javik makes a difference,

He does on Thessia. He points out that Liara isn't the expert she believes herself to be plus its fun listening to him talk smack to her
 

He intentionally tries to demoralize his fellow squad members and takes pleasure in making the people who are supposed to trust him in battle miserable. That's all he does, and I don't see how this is useful. He's basically a condescending racist and the worst part is that no one ever calls him out on it. If someone just put him in his place once in awhile I think I'd have much less of a problem with him.

I would most likely do the same. He's awaken to find out he's the last of his species. He's surrounded by characters he doesn't care about or know. He just wants to get revenge for what the reapers did to his species. What reason does he have to be nice to anyone? Most likely he would rather of stayed in the pod.

[themikefest]

I find it ironic that the game allow you to kill every other companions very facerolling easy but you have to play the game and work to get a very low EMS just to have some satisfaction of watching her getting pulverized....

Its not that hard. The player needs to have his/her ems below 2000 and take her on the beam run for Harbinger to kill her

[aoibhealfae]

hmmm probably with a very renegade genesis save, no side quests, no DLCs, just straight to the end... if I had the time

 

 

[Mechler]

He does on Thessia. He points out that Liara isn't the expert she believes herself to be plus its fun listening to him talk smack to her
 

I would most likely do the same. He's awaken to find out he's the last of his species. He's surrounded by characters he doesn't care about or know. He just wants to get revenge for what the reapers did to his species. What reason does he have to be nice to anyone? Most likely he would rather of stayed in the pod.

This. Before he went to sleep Salarians were like frogs are to us. How long do you think it takes for Shepard to play through the whole game? A few days? A few weeks? Less than a month for sure. Considering all this I think he does an admirable job. And you know what if he would come with us now in Andromeda he wouldn't be able to look down on anyone. Every race he would encounter would be new.

[Cyberstrike nTo]

ME1 Tali-She's boring as hell in the game there were times when playing I would actually start to nod off when listening to her go on and on about quarians and the geth.

 

ME2 Tie between Thane, Jacob, and Legion-Thane's overall redemption arc and romance are so terrible predictable I almost want to believe it's a parody of those tropes.

Jacob is boring after recruiting Samara, Jack, Garrus, or Grunt I have little use for him.

Legion comes in so late it's next to impossible to get any real characterization out of him. 

 

ME3 Vega-I like him but BW tried way too hard to make him Shepard's new BBF and once I get Liara and Garrus I have very little use for him. 

[Han Shot First]

You know, I'm really considering opening a bussiness to sell pills for sore throat. I'd get stinking rich of all the BSNers who got Liara shoved down theirs.

 

Not to mention all the extra income from selling petroleum jelly. So much butthurt going around

 

Most of those complaints amount to nothing more than, "Some other waifu got more screen time than my waifu!'

 

If in some alternate universe there had been no romance content at all in the series I'd bet that about 75% of all the complaints about Liara getting too much screen time would disappear.

[Mordokai]

 

I find it ironic that the game allow you to kill every other companions very facerolling easy but you have to play the game and work to get a very low EMS just to have some satisfaction of watching her getting pulverized.... 

 

 

Out of curiosity... what is the reason for you Liara haters to post a gif or picture of Liara getting killed by Harbinger's ray as often as you can possibly get away with? Do you hope to instigate hate in Liara's fans, therefore fueling more hate towards what you perceive as righteous anger? Towards yourself? Do you just hope to get some... any reaction at all from people who disagree with you and like the character you hate? Basically, are you trolling for the sake of it?

 

It doesn't work on me... anymore. I don't think it works on anybody anymore, really. But yeah... it's kinda sad.

[gottaloveme]

Replaying Overlord so of course Gavin Archer. I wish that I could hit him whilst removing David and taking him to Grissom. I think you can only hit him if you leave David there. Everyone else I can't really hate. Including Liara. She is just really annoying and I try to ignore her most of the time, but never gets to hate. She's one of the team after all.

[Andrew Lucas]

Out of curiosity... what is the reason for you Liara haters to post a gif or picture of Liara getting killed by Harbinger's ray as often as you can possibly get away with? Do you hope to instigate hate in Liara's fans, therefore fueling more hate towards what you perceive as righteous anger? Towards yourself? Do you just hope to get some... any reaction at all from people who disagree with you and like the character you hate? Basically, are you trolling for the sake of it?
 
It doesn't work on me... anymore. I don't think it works on anybody anymore, really. But yeah... it's kinda sad.

brah...

[Natureguy85]

If the Catalyst doesn't count because he's more exposition dump than character, how can it not be Kai Leng?

[JJ Likeaprayer]

Samara's evil daughter...a drug crazed serial killer.

[aoibhealfae]

Out of curiosity... what is the reason for you Liara haters to post a gif or picture of Liara getting killed by Harbinger's ray as often as you can possibly get away with? Do you hope to instigate hate in Liara's fans, therefore fueling more hate towards what you perceive as righteous anger? Towards yourself? Do you just hope to get some... any reaction at all from people who disagree with you and like the character you hate? Basically, are you trolling for the sake of it?

 

It doesn't work on me... anymore. I don't think it works on anybody anymore, really. But yeah... it's kinda sad.

Do you realize the exact title of this thread is? Do you know how much more regular rant threads crop up based on least popular characters in BSN and reddit alone?

 

And do you even read what I wrote exactly? How only Liara was the only original ME character being plot-armored just for the sake of her fans. This is very contrary  to the way they treat every other character in the freaking trilogy down to badly animated death scenes. The only way to make her less a special snowflake that she is was to sabotage yourself from gaining many easy war assets, from playing DLCs, MPs, skipping many content, be the worst Shepard ever just to achieve minimum requirement for the worst possible EMS ending. That is how they babied you. 

 

Accept that every characters even your own precious blue beloved is a subject for critic. Just because the lead writer for Mass Effect franchise have a perpetual hard-on on her, doesn't mean the rest of the ME players have it too.

[Filament]

Beaten to death jokes like refund guy, Conrad Verner and Khalisah.

[Ahglock]

Replaying Overlord so of course Gavin Archer. I wish that I could hit him whilst removing David and taking him to Grissom. I think you can only hit him if you leave David there. Everyone else I can't really hate. Including Liara. She is just really annoying and I try to ignore her most of the time, but never gets to hate. She's one of the team after all.

Hate Gavin? But he's like a hero, he just has made some poor publicity choices. Finding a way to control the geth is amazing. Why would anyone get in his way.

[Seboist]

Samara's evil daughter...a drug crazed serial killer.

 

She's one of my most loved characters actually, even if her story potential was greatly squandered by her quarter-assed implementation as a squadmate sadly.

[KaiserShep]

 

I find it ironic that the game allow you to kill every other companions very facerolling easy but you have to play the game and work to get a very low EMS just to have some satisfaction of watching her getting pulverized.... 

 

[snip]

 

Well, there is Vega, who can only be killed the same way, and I suppose Javik kinda counts. It does make me wonder: if every character was killable from the start, and, say, Liara could go on the suicide mission, what would BioWare do in terms of companion setup? I tried a "lonely" playthrough of ME3, where Shepard didn't get Javik and Garrus and Tali were dead and the VS was killed. It seemed funny to me that the Alliance could never spare another soldier or two to help Shepard. It was just James, EDI and Liara. 

[Monster A-Go Go]

Well, I just played the Thessia section of ME3 tonight, so I pretty much have to say Kai Leng.

 

Souped up Black Widow sniper rifle, Adrenaline Rush, maxed out Warp, and a full barrage of 12 grenades while he was "recharging" and still no result.  Not that I expected any different, of course; I know the score.  Still, unloading an 80-round assault rifle clip of Inferno Ammo into him as he runs for safety and not seeing his life bar even flicker is frustrating. 

 

Seriously, just have him lose and then deus ex his escape through a cutscene like with everyone else that needs a degree of plot armor / badassery.  Don't c**tpunt me and make me crouch behind a bench three times during a rigged fight.  The only time fixing the combat was acceptable was during the Arrival DLC, and only then because it was basically Horde mode and let you see how long you could survive.

 

So F-you, Kai Leng.  Your douchery runs so deep that it's affecting plate tectonics.

[KaiserShep]

Well, I just played the Thessia section of ME3 tonight, so I pretty much have to say Kai Leng.

 

Souped up Black Widow sniper rifle, Adrenaline Rush, maxed out Warp, and a full barrage of 12 grenades while he was "recharging" and still no result.  Not that I expected any different, of course; I know the score.  Still, unloading an 80-round assault rifle clip of Inferno Ammo into him as he runs for safety and not seeing his life bar even flicker is frustrating. 

 

Seriously, just have him lose and then deus ex his escape through a cutscene like with everyone else that needs a degree of plot armor / badassery.  Don't c**tpunt me and make me crouch behind a bench three times during a rigged fight.  The only time fixing the combat was acceptable was during the Arrival DLC, and only then because it was basically Horde mode and let you see how long you could survive.

 

So F-you, Kai Leng.  Your douchery runs so deep that it's affecting plate tectonics.

 

 

I don't think it's the plot armor itself that bugs me so much about Kai Leng, but rather the fact that his plot armor comes in the form of blatant invulnerability from weapons fire. Had the story been set up where he just kept getting the slip where we simply never get the chance to truly fight him until the end, then I could find that acceptable. It might be annoying, but at least it wouldn't make me wonder why he's suddenly such a pushover on Cronos. 

[Mechler]

I don't think it's the plot armor itself that bugs me so much about Kai Leng, but rather the fact that his plot armor comes in the form of blatant invulnerability from weapons fire. Had the story been set up where he just kept getting the slip where we simply never get the chance to truly fight him until the end, then I could find that acceptable. It might be annoying, but at least it wouldn't make me wonder why he's suddenly such a pushover on Cronos. 

 

And he is a bloody coward who always runs away.

[aoibhealfae]

Well, there is Vega, who can only be killed the same way, and I suppose Javik kinda counts. It does make me wonder: if every character was killable from the start, and, say, Liara could go on the suicide mission, what would BioWare do in terms of companion setup? I tried a "lonely" playthrough of ME3, where Shepard didn't get Javik and Garrus and Tali were dead and the VS was killed. It seemed funny to me that the Alliance could never spare another soldier or two to help Shepard. It was just James, EDI and Liara. 

 

Vega is a character that was created as a mere observer to the narrative and as representation of all the Alliance soldiers on Earth. His low EMS death seemed much more symbolic, and more in sync with the sentiment of Shepard's failure to his people. I didn't really see him receiving special treatment from the start as if the gamemaker was afraid of harming player's sensitivity.

 

Major Coats could have been a good temporary companion. In fact, a lot of side characters could have been good as temps; Prangley, Falare, Brynn etc. Of course, added drama would be, you have to watch them die or crippled, negative military strength and make you wish you saved your other companions to save them.

 

Javik will kill himself after the war if you let him touch the memory shard. 

[Mechler]

Vega is a character that was created as a mere observer to the narrative and as representation of all the Alliance soldiers on Earth. His low EMS death seemed much more symbolic, and more in sync with the sentiment of Shepard's failure to his people. I didn't really see him receiving special treatment from the start as if the gamemaker was afraid of harming player's sensitivity.

 

Major Coats could have been a good temporary companion. In fact, a lot of side characters could have been good as temps; Prangley, Falare, Brynn etc. Of course, added drama would be, you have to watch them die or crippled, negative military strength and make you wish you saved your other companions to save them.

 

Javik will kill himself after the war if you let him touch the memory shard. 

 

Plus Vega and Javik are new to the trilogy so they only had a plot armor for 1 game instead of 3. Now I don't hate Liara (I actually like her more than Garrus) but it's really unfair to compare her unkillability to that of Vega and Javik.

[avenging_teabag]

For me, it's a tie between Jack and Aria

 

Jack makes absolutely no sense as a character. No sane ship captain would take her on board - a psychotic violent criminal with mile long list of offenses and a grudge against Cerberus specifically. On a Cerberus ship no less. After she starts threatening the ship and its crew within an hour of setting her foot on board. The only way she's going after that, on any military or quasi military ship, or indeed any ship, is an airlock. Her turn as a teacher in 3 makes even less sense, no one would let someone like her within shooting distance of any minors, much less government goons. It's ridiculous.

 

Aria is infuriating in the same way. So Shepard, who stared down a reaper, the Illusive Man, hang up on the Galactic Council, took on the Shadow Broker, is not allowed to tell that smugly antagonistic douchebag to go f*ck herself? I really can't decide wjich one of them I hate more.