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Your Most Hated Character In The Mass Effect Series?


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Actually, they had no idea Cerberus was going to be so major when they were created:

 

http://drewkarpyshyn.com/c/?p=381

 

A good example of this is Cerberus. When we wrote ME1, Cerberus was basically a throw-away group of pro-human radicals: a name we dropped for some side missions to play the role of villain. We didn’t even have a concept of who was running them, and we didn’t think they were that important. Obviously by the time of my Ascension novel and ME2, that had changed radically. The Illusive Man and Cerberus became central to the story and themes – that never would have happened if we had nailed everything down and refused to make changes to the story.

 

It's actually somewhat implied that Cerb is outright destroyed in ME1 if you do Col. Toomb's mission last and he mentions someone "blowing them up".


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They have their existing plot devices (evil corporate company, evil science company, terrorists, pro-human political party) ... its more like... you have something in the game that should be unrelated until someone pointed out they could have been the same thing.. a singular plot bunny that breed out of control....  

 

which is.... Harry Potter and the Horcruxes.



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Liara gets her own DLC dedicated to her in ME2 while Ash/Kaidan got nothing, Liara is not even close to being "hardly featured" in ME2. If anyone was "hardly featured" in ME2 its Ash/Kaidan.


And the VS has oodles of content in ME1, especially as they are mandatory and you can leave liara until one of them is dead.
Face it its only through virtue of her absence on me2 that she features a bit more in me3 - but even then it's hardly a lot as quite a bit as Mike points out is optional.
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Is this the 16y/o I hate everything thread?

How do you even make friends?


Unified in our hatred of a common enemy as explained in the movie Major Payne.

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For me, it's a tie between Jack and Aria

Jack makes absolutely no sense as a character. No sane ship captain would take her on board - a psychotic violent criminal with mile long list of offenses and a grudge against Cerberus specifically. On a Cerberus ship no less. After she starts threatening the ship and its crew within an hour of setting her foot on board. The only way she's going after that, on any military or quasi military ship, or indeed any ship, is an airlock. Her turn as a teacher in 3 makes even less sense, no one would let someone like her within shooting distance of any minors, much less government goons. It's ridiculous.

Aria is infuriating in the same way. So Shepard, who stared down a reaper, the Illusive Man, hang up on the Galactic Council, took on the Shadow Broker, is not allowed to tell that smugly antagonistic douchebag to go f*ck herself? I really can't decide wjich one of them I hate more.


You say all of those things like they're negative traits.

Bring me the Galaxy's baddest bad girls!

My only regret is that you can't romance Aria and rule Omega together, that would be something special.
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And the VS has oodles of content in ME1, especially as they are mandatory and you can leave liara until one of them is dead.
Face it its only through virtue of her absence on me2 that she features a bit more in me3 - but even then it's hardly a lot as quite a bit as Mike points out is optional.

The VS still has the short end of the stick in ME2 when compared to Liara since Liara is part of one or two side quest in the vanilla ME2  while the VS only gets a poorly written conversation at the end of the Horizon mission. The fact that the VS is absent from ME3 for half the game doesn't make things better.



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Out of curiosity... what is the reason for you Liara haters to post a gif or picture of Liara getting killed by Harbinger's ray as often as you can possibly get away with? Do you hope to instigate hate in Liara's fans, therefore fueling more hate towards what you perceive as righteous anger? Towards yourself? Do you just hope to get some... any reaction at all from people who disagree with you and like the character you hate? Basically, are you trolling for the sake of it?

 

It doesn't work on me... anymore. I don't think it works on anybody anymore, really. But yeah... it's kinda sad.

 

What do you care? Instead of defending Liara, you whine that someone else doesn't like her? Are you personally offended or harmed by that GIF? A GIF that you reposted, by the way.

 

 

 

She's one of my most loved characters actually, even if her story potential was greatly squandered by her quarter-assed implementation as a squadmate sadly.

 

I like her as a character in Samara's loyalty mission but taking her as a squadmate made no sense. Why would you take this criminal murder on your ship? Huh, no, Jack, go back down in the basement, I'm busy!

 

 

For me, it's a tie between Jack and Aria

 

Aria is infuriating in the same way. So Shepard, who stared down a reaper, the Illusive Man, hang up on the Galactic Council, took on the Shadow Broker, is not allowed to tell that smugly antagonistic douchebag to go f*ck herself? I really can't decide wjich one of them I hate more.

 

I'm with you on Jack being there, but since she is, I really like her loyalty mission. And I can't hate Aria as much as I hate that they built her up only for her to sit on the couch and do nothing.

 

 

Liara gets her own DLC dedicated to her in ME2 while Ash/Kaidan got nothing, Liara is not even close to being "hardly featured" in ME2. If anyone was "hardly featured" in ME2 its Ash/Kaidan.

 

Well the DLC is extra. Liara needed that DLC to better explore her character shift. I don't know why they never gave one for the VS. Maybe because they basically flipped Shepard the bird.

 

 

I've always wondered whether the increased relevance of Cerberus, at the expense of of the series' main antagonists, was birthed from some tug-of-war on the writing staff about where the story was going to go...

 

At some point early in development the devs had to sit down and come up with the basic outline of a story for their game. I wonder if not all of the writers who were or would be leads at some point, liked the idea of the Reapers being the main antagonist.

 

It just seemed odd that as the series progressed much more time was spent on Cerberus than the Reapers, particularly when you factor in outside media like the comics and books, which were nearly all focused on Cerberus. All of the novels centered on Cerberus with the exception of the first. It gives the impression that at some point the writing staff, or at least the leads, decided they didn't like the Reaper storyline...despite the first game establishing it as central.

 

Somebody or many people there fell in love with it, or at least the ME2 reimagining. They certainly liked TIM. I wonder if they were looking at Dragon Age Origins too and were trying to make another Loghain, who was the main antagonist despite the Arch Demon being the overarching threat. Of course, the difference is the Darkspawn were "over there" in the south of the country while the Reapers are already around.

 

 

Oh, you mean the character who's ME2 content was a mix of calibrations and a complete rehash of his ME1 plot line.

 

I'm with you on the calibrations but I love Garrus' quest in ME2. I see where you're coming from but I don't see it as a rehash. I like that Garrus is loyal either way because in both cases, Shepard is helping Garrus move on: either through vengeance, forgiveness, or at least letting go.

 

 

And the VS has oodles of content in ME1, especially as they are mandatory and you can leave liara until one of them is dead.
Face it its only through virtue of her absence on me2 that she features a bit more in me3 - but even then it's hardly a lot as quite a bit as Mike points out is optional.

 

Either Kaidan or Ashley could be dead and they didn't want to make the two the exact same. Liara is the only only one guaranteed to survive so they put more content that people are more likely to see.



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I like her as a character in Samara's loyalty mission but taking her as a squadmate made no sense. Why would you take this criminal murder on your ship? Huh, no, Jack, go back down in the basement, I'm busy!

 

With enough of a Renegon or Renegade Shep at play one can recruit her out of simple personal preference over her mother and due to the latter threatening to come after renegade shepard in the future. Admittedly, there's a good a bit of headcanon/LARP involved here and the whole thing could've been written better, but what can you do?



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With enough of a Renegon or Renegade Shep at play one can recruit her out of simple personal preference over her mother and due to the latter threatening to come after renegade shepard in the future. Admittedly, there's a good a bit of headcanon/LARP involved here and the whole thing could've been written better, but what can you do?

 

Kill Morinth every time in keeping with the mission and not being a moron. Except when I was playing Shepard not only as a Renegade, but an *******. He died by Morinth after the mission. :)



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Kill Morinth every time in keeping with the mission and not being a moron. Except when I was playing Shepard not only as a Renegade, but an *******. He died by Morinth after the mission. :)

 

Morinth knows how to party though, so she gets recruited every time in my run. With just a bit of self-restraint on Shepard's sexual proclivities, s/he can enjoy all the fun and none of the risks.  :D

 

I still can't get over how a pure paragon can recruit her but not a neutral-ish Shep tho.


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Morinth knows how to party though, so she gets recruited every time in my run. With just a bit of self-restraint on Shepard's sexual proclivities, s/he can enjoy all the fun and none of the risks.  :D

 

I still can't get over how a pure paragon can recruit her but not a neutral-ish Shep tho.

 

My guess is that it has nothing to do with paragon or renegade but rather Shepard being strong enough in character to resist her charms. I suppose it's saying that if you aren't to one side or the other you're too mush. However, I would argue that this was not needed since it is mentioned several times in the first game that Shepard has an extraordinarily strong will.Then again, ME2 forgot about the first game, mostly.


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Off the top of my head...

Udina perhaps.
Joker.
Jeong.

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I guess it would be Udina, he always seemed very slimy and self interested and that just is shown more with each game. 



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Mine would have to be Conrad Verner. guy gives off a unhinged psychopath vibe.


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I like Conrad Verner. In ME1, he will say Commander Shepard is beautiful, if playing as femshep. Too bad femshep couldn't give him a smile and thank him for the compliment. And in ME3, he's willing to risk his life for Shepard


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I like Conrad Verner. In ME1, he will say Commander Shepard is beautiful, if playing as femshep. Too bad femshep couldn't give him a smile and thank him for the compliment. And in ME3, he's willing to risk his life for Shepard

 

I'd rank Conrad Verner in my top 10 favorite ME characters. It's always a treat running into that guy in the game. His quest in ME2 is probably one of my favorites, because Shepard gets to threaten some uppity asari, and uses the phrase "vorcha's ass". That's always gold. 


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Plus you have to give Bioware credit for using him to make fun of some stupid stuff.

 

Thermal clips: Conrad will ask if guns can still vent heat on their own. When told they can't, he will say it sounds like step backwards.

 

Import Bug: In ME2, Conrad will always say Shepard pointed a gun at him, even if you didn't. That was the renegade option, for those who don't recall. In ME3, Conrad will apologize, saying he was confused at the time.



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Ah, that Dalatross in ME3.

 

By the time she was waving her crooked finger at Wrex talking about, "....your urges...", Wrex and I both were squinting our eyes at her.



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Plus you have to give Bioware credit for using him to make fun of some stupid stuff.

 

Thermal clips: Conrad will ask if guns can still vent heat on their own. When told they can't, he will say it sounds like step backwards.

 

Import Bug: In ME2, Conrad will always say Shepard pointed a gun at him, even if you didn't. That was the renegade option, for those who don't recall. In ME3, Conrad will apologize, saying he was confused at the time.

 

I really wish that the dialogue in ME1 was flagged properly so that the dialogue in ME2 could change a bit. But the gun-in-my-face dialogue is funny though. I always do it in ME1. His anguished cries are hilarious. 

 

"I wish I never met you!"

 

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:lol:

 

Aww, yeah, that's gold when Conrad bursts out like that. I just kinda shrug and glance at my squad....they don't seem to care about it all.

 

"Soo, yeah, Chora's Den, or Flux, guys?"


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Import bug reminds me.  Something similar to the Dragon Age Keep would be great, if any choices will still be relevant.



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Definitely Kai Lang, so over dramatic and lame


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Definitely Kai Lang, so over dramatic and lame

Agreed but only really liked comment because of your Username and avatar.

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Depends on various criteria for me, as the personality, current mood, dialogue, etc all have an impact on my own varied emotions of the day. Some sessions it is the IM that creates the most friction; other times it is the arrogance of Javik, the depressed whines of Ash and Kaiden, the vulgarity and lack of military presentation of James, the actions of KL, etc.