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[Neverwinter_Knight77]

Ok, gotta ask.

What is with all super hate about Diana? Am I missing out something? I mean can't say I have any feelings about her, she has always been too unimportant for me to even bother talking with her, let alone get any strong feelings about her. So seriously why does everyone hate this girl so much? Does she do something in game that made so many people hate her or something?

Terrible voice acting, shallow character, possibly a way of buying a good review, and... No Emily Wong!

[Obliviousmiss]

Ok, gotta ask.

 

What is with all super hate about Diana? Am I missing out something? I mean can't say I have any feelings about her, she has always been too unimportant for me to even bother talking with her, let alone get any strong feelings about her. So seriously why does everyone hate this girl so much? Does she do something in game that made so many people hate her or something? 

 

Definite personality clash. I just feel like Shep was too busy and too tormented by things going on to give interviews. Plus she feels tacked on, especially her unfulfilling romance. 

[Hair Serious Business]

Definite personality clash. I just feel like Shep was too busy and too tormented by things going on to give interviews. Plus she feels tacked on, especially her unfulfilling romance. 

 

She is poor character, as I said I never considered to bother with her much.

I just flagged her in my book of "Too Unimportant People To Even Be Bothered With". Still the way fans hate her I feel there is something more then just her being horrible character, hate directed twords her seems too personal. That is why I'm curious seriously why.

 

possibly a way of buying a good review, and... No Emily Wong!

 

Yup I also would prefer Emily.

If she was reporter instead I would for first time bother to recruit reporter on ship. Still sorry for idiot question that this mabye be...but how would Diana bring EA/BW better scores in any review?

[Laughing_Man]

Ok, gotta ask.

 

What is with all super hate about Diana? Am I missing out something? I mean can't say I have any feelings about her, she has always been too unimportant for me to even bother talking with her, let alone get any strong feelings about her. So seriously why does everyone hate this girl so much? Does she do something in game that made so many people hate her or something? 

 

The fact that she is / was from IGN, made me uncomfortable, it was just another example for the shady relationships between game developers / publishers and gaming "journalists".

 

The fact that IGN was in a hurry to white knight Bioware after the ME3 ending against the mean entitled gamers that didn't understand true art,

made the entire thing even worse.

[Neverwinter_Knight77]

She is poor character, as I said I never considered to bother with her much.
I just flagged her in my book of "Too Unimportant People To Even Be Bothered With". Still the way fans hate her I feel there is something more then just her being horrible character, hate directed twords her seems too personal. That is why I'm curious seriously why.



Yup I also would prefer Emily.
If she was reporter instead I would for first time bother to recruit reporter on ship. Still sorry for idiot question that this mabye be...but how would Diana bring EA/BW better scores in any review?

Her actress Jessica Chobot used to work for IGN.

[Hair Serious Business]

Her actress Jessica Chobot used to work for IGN.

 

Ah, then it is what I said above xD

 

Thanks for clearing out. Was curious about this case and when I notice talk about her I saw opportunity to finally ask and get real answer.

[Obliviousmiss]

Ahhhh....so THAT's why she feels tacked on AF. 

Modifié par BioWareMod02, 01 février 2016 - 07:43 .

[Seboist]

Ok, gotta ask.

 

What is with all super hate about Diana? Am I missing out something? I mean can't say I have any feelings about her, she has always been too unimportant for me to even bother talking with her, let alone get any strong feelings about her. So seriously why does everyone hate this girl so much? Does she do something in game that made so many people hate her or something? 

I was never bothered by her personally, questionable voice acting and iffy looking dress aside; she's no more superfluous than chakwas, gardner(missed him in 3), the two ME2 engineers,etc.

 

It's a shame that they removed the ability to cheat on a LI with her as detailed in the leaked script, that would've been rather nice...

[saladinbob]

That stupid bint from IGN. Can't remember the character's name but somehow Bioware managed to take a reasonably good looking girl and turn her into something that looked like it belonged in the X-Files. As if that wasn't bad enough, she can't act. Not even a little. Beyond her, the walking cliche that is Mr racial stereotype himself, Kai Leng. As if his appearance wasn't annoying enough, the actor seemed to revel in his cheese-laden script. Other than those two I thought everyone else was solid.

[Quarian Master Race]

People hate it when obvious favouritism exist for a singular character especially when other notable romanced characters received less attention. And not everyone is a fan of the fifty shades of blue.

Yeah, but you can say this about pretty much any popular Biower character in terms of getting more content due to fanservice. Liara's just the absolute most popular so she ends up at the top of the heap.

Garrus is hardly different except the ability to avoid him in ME1 and kill him in ME2, with the primary difference that you can't bang him in the first game. In terms of available content it's pretty much a wash with Liara over the trilogy (he doesn't get his own DLC, but he is available for all 3 games). 

Tali is next, but has less content overall due to appearing halfway through the last 2 installments, and can optionally be consistently treated like garbage unlike the other two. Is at least important to the outcome of a certain subplot in ME3. You can easily kill her in two separate places or just never pick her up in the 2nd game and she never shows up again.

VS shows up in like 1.5 games and Ashley in particular basically has an aborted character arc. You can kill them easily in 2 seperate places.

Wrex becomes a non squadmate NPC with a DLC cameo. Can be avoided entirely by never recruiting him in ME1.

Everyone from ME2 got dumped, some moreso than others (popular ones like Mordin/Legion/Miranda got somewhat important roles). Many of them were optional to begin with.

idk why I'm defending Liara because I pretty much don't care about her and hardly ever use her but W/e, I just don't get the hate for anything apart from her wildly inconsistent writing. To me the fact that she is front and center in ME3 is more an issue with every other previous installment character being utterly disposable at virtually no detriment, rather than anything to do with the character herself.

[catuta]

 

All the pro Genophage side get is a shallow, 2 dimensional, xenophobic caricature of a Dlatrass who's only argument on why she doesn't want to cure the Genophage could be summed up with: "She hates the Krogan and loves seeing their dead babies". 

 

It would have been nice to have an actual dilemma regarding that choice; with points on both sides of the isle making clear and compelling reasons why the player should pick one way over the other instead of being a choice between a crazy racist and everyone else.

 

Exactly. Such a missed opportunity!

She talks to the krogan warleader as if he were vermin, complaining that curing the genophage would doom the galaxy or something, all the while, her salarian scientists are planing to "uplift" the yahg - known for their violent and aggressive nature.

Yeah, that one won't come back to bite her in the arse...

[Natureguy85]

She is also the only person that is against the cure, meaning that the presentation of why the Genophage should be cured vs. why we shouldn't is unbelievably skewed. 

 

We don't get any logical counter points on why the cure would be a bad thing given the Krogan's history with the rest of the galaxy and their stubborn refusal to practice the most basic of population control on their own. We don't even get a rebuttal about how Wrex/Wreve is holding the galaxy hostage for this little stunt, that every day that passes millions of people are dying all over the galaxy, and for every hour we spend playing doctor the Turian armada is whittled down a little more, meaning less ships to spare for the united war effort. Ect. We don't get any of that.

 

All the pro Genophage side get is a shallow, 2 dimensional, xenophobic caricature of a Dlatrass who's only argument on why she doesn't want to cure the Genophage could be summed up with: "She hates the Krogan and loves seeing their dead babies". 

 

It would have been nice to have an actual dilemma regarding that choice; with points on both sides of the isle making clear and compelling reasons why the player should pick one way over the other instead of being a choice between a crazy racist and everyone else.

 

The problem is that the Reaper war is such that you can't do this. Firstly, every group is "holding the galaxy hostage" for something they want. It's something that bothers us but is almost necessary for gameplay. I actually like that there is a renegade dialogue option when recruiting Mordin in ME2 where Shepard can complain about this.

 

Secondly, the Dalatrass' concerns are only an issue if the galaxy defeats the Reapers in the first place. However, despite the first game telling us that the Reapers are here to wipe out the galaxy, ME3 tells a story that would be more suitable for if they were only attacking Earth. Yes, other places are attacked but Earth is the focus. Shepard is asking everyone to leave their own systems to defend Earth. The Dalatrass is holding back support for Earth as if she has no investment in the defeat of the Reapers. The Krogan act like they'll be fine. However, we the players know that the Reapers will wipe out all of these civilizations and it becomes a "one problem at a time" situation, much like the Rachnii war and the uplift of the Krogan were earlier. Even with hindsight after the Krogan Rebellions, some might say the Rachnii threat was such that the uplift of the Krogan was necessary even with the problems the Krogan would eventually cause. Even if the Dalatrass is right about a genophage-less Krogan species, that is less of a threat than the Reapers and can be dealt with later.

 

 

 

Ok, gotta ask.

 

What is with all super hate about Diana? Am I missing out something? I mean can't say I have any feelings about her, she has always been too unimportant for me to even bother talking with her, let alone get any strong feelings about her. So seriously why does everyone hate this girl so much? Does she do something in game that made so many people hate her or something? 

 

Because she doesn't make much sense as a character. Why would I take a reporter on my stealth ship and broadcast from it? Add in that the actress was chosen from a media outlet and it just feels wrong and sleazy.

 

Yeah, but you can say this about pretty much any popular Biower character in terms of getting more content due to fanservice. Liara's just the absolute most popular so she ends up at the top of the heap.

Garrus is hardly different except the ability to avoid him in ME1 and kill him in ME2, with the primary difference that you can't bang him in the first game. In terms of available content it's pretty much a wash with Liara over the trilogy (he doesn't get his own DLC, but he is available for all 3 games). 

Tali is next, but has less content overall due to appearing halfway through the last 2 installments, and can optionally be consistently treated like garbage unlike the other two. Is at least important to the outcome of a certain subplot in ME3. You can easily kill her in two separate places or just never pick her up in the 2nd game and she never shows up again.

VS shows up in like 1.5 games and Ashley in particular basically has an aborted character arc. You can kill them easily in 2 seperate places.

Wrex becomes a non squadmate NPC with a DLC cameo. Can be avoided entirely by never recruiting him in ME1.

Everyone from ME2 got dumped, some moreso than others (popular ones like Mordin/Legion/Miranda got somewhat important roles). Many of them were optional to begin with.

idk why I'm defending Liara because I pretty much don't care about her and hardly ever use her but W/e, I just don't get the hate for anything apart from her wildly inconsistent writing. To me the fact that she is front and center in ME3 is more an issue with every other previous installment character being utterly disposable at virtually no detriment, rather than anything to do with the character herself.

 

The difference is that while Garrus and Tali were fan favorites, the complaint is that Liara is an author favorite. While anecdotal to my own experience, I don't see the level of love for Liara that I see for the other two or the reverse when it comes to disliking them.

[Livi14]

The difference is that while Garrus and Tali were fan favorites, the complaint is that Liara is an author favorite. While anecdotal to my own experience, I don't see the level of love for Liara that I see for the other two or the reverse when it comes to disliking them.

According to the official Bioware infographic Liara is the most popular squadmate very closely followed by Garrus and the largest fan surveys have Liara as the most romanced character as well; unlike Garrus she just has some really vocal minority of haters.

[Natureguy85]

According to the official Bioware infographic Liara is the most popular squadmate very closely followed by Garrus and the largest fan surveys have Liara as the most romanced character as well; unlike Garrus she just has some really vocal minority of haters.

 

Interesting. Can you link that? I have never seen it and, like I said, I was going off of what I've read here. I am mostly interested in the idea that Garrus has so many haters. Liara being the most popular could be largely chalked up to several advantages from the game design.

 

For Romance:

 

1) is available to all players.

2) Ashley seems much less liked, again by my anecdotal experience here and the misinterpretations of her as racist, leaving Liara for straight male LI, with Male shep being played far more than Femshep.

 

For Gameplay:

 

3) Squad skills are far more useful than them shooting so a Biotic powerhouse with singularity is useful no matter Shepard's class, particularly in the first game that didn't have the defense types to keep biotics from being effective.

 

Both:

 

4) Guaranteed to be in ME3, unlike any other character.

[Gothfather]

The most hated character of the ME series?

 

 

Gamers aka the fans and anti-fans of the series.

[SlottsMachine]

Eh, I don't like Garrus either. Its kinda interesting, people often bring up how Miranda was used in ME3 and how it was all about her sister (again) but you never see people level similar complaints at Garrus. His ME2 plotline was basically the same as in ME1 (Saleon/Sidonis).

 

Speaking of Allers my issue is that she serves a role that would have been better filled by an existing character. Khalisah al-Jilani would have been my choice given her history with Shepard, we could have seen some interesting character development for her. 

[Lady Artifice]

Ok, gotta ask.

 

What is with all super hate about Diana? Am I missing out something? I mean can't say I have any feelings about her, she has always been too unimportant for me to even bother talking with her, let alone get any strong feelings about her. So seriously why does everyone hate this girl so much? Does she do something in game that made so many people hate her or something? 

 

You know, it's weird.

 

I completely get the whole, "she worked for IGN and she filled a role that could easily have been filled by Emily Wong," explanation.

 

But embarrassingly, ME3 was my first introduction to the series. I met DIana Allers before I met Emily Wong and I had no awareness of the voice actor's background. She still annoyed me. Not a lot, just a very slight aversion to her face, her voice, her bland demeanor. I just find her unlikable.

 

Once I went back to play ME1 and realized that they already had a perfectly viable reporter character who would have been familiar to fans and could have filled that role easily, it just baffled me.

[The Qun & the Damned]

Excluding starbrat, Jacob. Had potential but his character just kept going asses to asses, bust to bust. Worse too if you play femshep and do him. 

[SlottsMachine]

Plus I got a little uncanny valley vibe from Allers. 

[Lady Artifice]

Plus I got a little uncanny valley vibe from Allers. 

 

Yes, her face is just weird. It freaks me out a little bit.

[Natureguy85]

Eh, I don't like Garrus either. Its kinda interesting, people often bring up how Miranda was used in ME3 and how it was all about her sister (again) but you never see people level similar complaints at Garrus. His ME2 plotline was basically the same as in ME1 (Saleon/Sidonis).

 

Speaking of Allers my issue is that she serves a role that would have been better filled by an existing character. Khalisah al-Jilani would have been my choice given her history with Shepard, we could have seen some interesting character development for her. 

 

I don't see the two things as all that comparable. While Garrus two quests are indeed similar, it is taken to an extreme in ME2, much like Garrus attitude as a whole. To me, that fits. It's also more personal than professional in the second instance. Also, his quests are about him and his relationship with Shepard, not Saleon or Sidonus. With Miranda, it's about protecting Oriana from her father again. It's the difference between a similar plot and the same plot.

 

I like your idea of having Kalisah on the Normandy. Most people mention Wong, but they could do so much with the former. Maybe they could make it a choice, like the strange and meaningless choice to have Chakwas or Michelle as the ship's doctor.

[von uber]

The difference is that while Garrus and Tali were fan favorites, the complaint is that Liara is an author favorite. While anecdotal to my own experience, I don't see the level of love for Liara that I see for the other two or the reverse when it comes to disliking them.

 

Beg to disagree, but I think you'll find that is Cerberus.

And Liara features in ME2 for about 5 lines of dialogue, unless you purposely go out of your way to buy extra content for her.

[Natureguy85]

Beg to disagree, but I think you'll find that is Cerberus.

And Liara features in ME2 for about 5 lines of dialogue, unless you purposely go out of your way to buy extra content for her.

 

Cerberus isn't a squadmate so it isn't relevant to what I said. You are correct, however that it is certainly clear the writers loved Cerberus a great deal. As for Liara, I should have been specific to ME3. Personally I have always pointed out that this is also due to her being the one person guaranteed to be there, so it makes sense that she would get more attention/content.

 

Added: Although the cutscene people loved Miranda quite a bit.

[Hair Serious Business]

Yes, her face is just weird. It freaks me out a little bit.

 

They seriously also made Miranda's face weird with that oversized jaw that her face model Yvonne doesn't have.

 

Also I seriously hope Yvonne gets role in new ME:A...perhaps even be one of voice options for our protagonist, I just love her....guess reason for it is because she reminds me on my ex too much lol

[SlottsMachine]

Also, his quests are about him and his relationship with Shepard, not Saleon or Sidonus.

 

On the surface of it I see what you're saying, and if there had been better continuation from ME1 to ME2 regarding whether or not you steered him away from his Dirty Harry routine or not, I'd accept it.