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[iM3GTR]

Shepard

She didn't do what I wanted, from saying the wrong thing at the wrong time, to taking cover when I was trying to sprint.

And jumping over cover into a Collector Particle beam.

[iM3GTR]

Shepard

She didn't do what I wanted, from saying the wrong thing at the wrong time, to taking cover when I was trying to sprint.

And jumping over cover into a Collector Particle beam.

[Creator Limbs]

lol

 

but why is this in the adromeda section

 

in fact, this is a burning question: WHY is there an Andromeda section when this game has been delayed more times than the American public's thinking capacity?

 

But I'll play. Liara could honestly die in a fire and I wouldn't care. In fact, I very much wish the option to kill her had come up in the Shadow Broker DLC because man...the hatred is unrivaled at this point.

[Wayning_Star]

nobody discusses ME3 anymore? So they endup here in null space?

[Creator Limbs]

"nobody discusses ME3 anymore"

 

So are you blind, or stupid?

[lucky5hot]

I wouldnt use the word hate, but there were characters I disliked or rubbed me the wrong. My opinion is probably unpopular but its just that, my opinion. (Final preface), characters with minor roles did not appear in the game for long enough to make me 'dislike' them significantly, so I've personally only added larger characters.

 

- Liara

- Hackett

 

The reason I pick these two was either the writing or the voice acting rubbed me the wrong way. It was the emphasis on 'empathy' or hyper emotive language that just seemed out of place to me.

 

They constantly had dialog using this 'understanding' tone of voice, the one you can put on by coursing it through a hoarseness of your voice. To me, it was 'overdone' either through the writing or the implementation via the voice acting. This created a cognitive dissonance or 4th wall breaking experience for me. 

 

The nuances of what i disliked about the two characters slightly differed between them. I thought that Hackett, General/Admiral of the alliance forces should have been summoning more than empathy as his primary emotion in every dialog. It seemed out of place with what I would expect for the grand leader of military, it should have been more aggressive/assertive/emotionless and straight to the task. The kind of stoicism that you expect from a classic war strategist/general.

 

For example, you just got done killing 200 people and killing a major force like a badass, but you still fell short of [insert key objective], and the leader of the military is all like "there there, it will be okay".... in this utterly intolerable voice that he summons from the back of his throat to make you feel better. Cringe.

 

As for Liara, well, she just made me want to vomit. For her it seemed more lore friendly as she isnt the head military, she doesnt necessarily have to be stoic as part of her job. Perhaps her character was just hyper-emotive, and perhaps even being asari amplified this. But this didnt stop my disdain for her when she was whining about some emotional issue while you are on a dropship heading to a mission to kill 200 people and save the galaxy. In fact, I think it was this contrast that similarly to Hackett caused cognitive dissonance. 

 

Unlike Hackett where you expected something different from him being the head of the military, with Liara you expected something different from the context you were in. Whether you were on a dropship flying to a mission, or something seriously impactful had just happened, her emoting to the point of extreme seemed at odds with rationality. I just wish there was a 5th dialog option, just once, that read... "we are trying to save the world, your stupid issues are almost irrelevant, STFU... or at least try and be professional about it, you are supposed to be one of the smartest people in the galaxy".

 

It was basically to the point where you just wanted to leave her on the ship if not for the fact she had good biotics or was needed for some story. For me, characters like Miranda/Ashley/Tali/Garrus/Mordin even Jacob (who a lot of people seemingly didnt like), so basically every single other companion other than Liara, had layers, and kind of a wall that you needed to breakdown as part of friendship or the love interest. The kind of wall that most intelligent and mature people put up IRL say in a workplace where they dont just unload all their personal **** and constantly whine about emotional ****. You have to break through the wall and THEN you get emotional ****, and it doesnt become every conversation forever once you are friends with them.

[Degenerate Rakia Time]

Mary Sue Shepard

[Get Magna Carter]

He didn't get a role in the SM other than guy with gun. Least important ME2 team member.

 

-doesn't work as infiltration/tech specialist

-doesn't work as squad leader

-doesn't work as biotic bubble generator

-doesn't have a particularly good defensive rating when holding the line

-doesn't provide any of the 3 crucial ship upgrades

 

Every other squadmate than Mordin (who was central to countering the seeker swarms earlier in the plot) do at least 1 of these, some do two or three (Garrus, Tali, Jacob). Thane's just some assassin, but how is that particularly useful for fighting bug thrall things and breaking into their base? He can't go snap Harbinger's neck or poison his food. They should have actually given him something to do IMO.

Bioware had been planning on giving him a good defence rating for holding the Line

Then they reviewed Garrus's recruitment mission and decided he deserved a good defence rating

but that gave them too many defenders making holding the line too easy

so they removed the ability from Thane

leaving him a "useless" extra with too little time or ideas to come up with anything else to do instead

[Rogue Unit]

Talimancers in this thread exposing themselves.

[Natureguy85]

lol

 

but why is this in the adromeda section

 

in fact, this is a burning question: WHY is there an Andromeda section when this game has been delayed more times than the American public's thinking capacity?

 

But I'll play. Liara could honestly die in a fire and I wouldn't care. In fact, I very much wish the option to kill her had come up in the Shadow Broker DLC because man...the hatred is unrivaled at this point.

 

And put Conrad Verner as the Shadow Broker.

[Natureguy85]

 

I just wish there was a 5th dialog option, just once, that read... "we are trying to save the world, your stupid issues are almost irrelevant, STFU... or at least try and be professional about it, you are supposed to be one of the smartest people in the galaxy".

 

Doesn't that sum up most, if not all, of the "loyalty quests" in Mass Effect 2?

 

 

He didn't get a role in the SM other than guy with gun. Least important ME2 team member.

 

-doesn't work as infiltration/tech specialist

-doesn't work as squad leader

-doesn't work as biotic bubble generator

-doesn't have a particularly good defensive rating when holding the line

-doesn't provide any of the 3 crucial ship upgrades

 

Every other squadmate than Mordin (who was central to countering the seeker swarms earlier in the plot) do at least 1 of these, some do two or three (Garrus, Tali, Jacob). Thane's just some assassin, but how is that particularly useful for fighting bug thrall things and breaking into their base? He can't go snap Harbinger's neck or poison his food. They should have actually given him something to do IMO.

 

It's funny you say that. In Mr.Btongue's excellent ME3 ending breakdown, when discussing the suicide mission he shows a clip of Thane being killed at the jammed door and says "No, don't send Thane into the vent!" It was at that moment I realized that you can't send into the vent the guy you meet when he's crawling around in vents. I know they needed a tech expert for the door at the end, but this made me laugh.

[iM3GTR]

And the Coup had that Saracino guy.

I can imagine it now: The end of ME1. Anderson, Udina, Shepard and the Council in the presidium.
Asari: "Commander, given all that has happened, your opinion would be greatly influential."
Shepard: "Well, it's obvious, isn't it? Humanity needs someone who can push our interests forward and get things done. There's only one politician on the Citadel great enough to do this. He's really smart and definitely the best that humanity has to offer-
Udina: "Why, tha-"
Shepard: "Charles Saracino. Much better than the worthless jerk we have in our embassy now."

[Teddie Sage]

The Catalyst.

[frylock23]

I don't think Thane is wasted too much in ME2... it's a suicide mission and you're gathering the best of the best. He fits in that scheme.

 

Oh, you get me wrong. It's not that Thane's character would have no reason to be there, but in the grand scheme of things I would have edited him out. He's an extra roster spot with no specific role. He just ends up taking up space. There is no specialist role for him, so why did the Illusive Man send you his roster in the first place?

 

Jacob and Miranda are there to keep Shepard, and the Cerberus loyal crew, in line.

Tali is the tech expert (and Legion ends up serving as the redundancy). You need that specialty.

Garrus, Zaeed, Grunt are the muscle.

Samara and Jack are the biotic prodigies. You need that Specialty.

Mordin is the scientist whose specialty is used early on.

 

So what exactly did we need the best assassin in the universe to do? He's sort of the odd one out in that respect, and could have been edited and kept back for another game where his character could have been used to better purpose.

[Master Warder Z_]

And put Conrad Verner as the Shadow Broker.

 

Not as unlikely as some might think. I actually recall some pre ME2 release rumors were Conrad Verner the suckup had actually been a Cerberus operative who was basically throwing together a personality profile on Shepard and when you ran into him the game, he'd basically be this completely different person. Would have been neat to have the adoring fan turn out to be a remorseless human supremacist.

[Neverwinter_Knight77]

Not as unlikely as some might think. I actually recall some pre ME2 release rumors were Conrad Verner the suckup had actually been a Cerberus operative who was basically throwing together a personality profile on Shepard and when you ran into him the game, he'd basically be this completely different person. Would have been neat to have the adoring fan turn out to be a remorseless human supremacist.

The ME1 journal seemed to be foreshadowing something with "Is he just a harmless fan?", him taking a picture of Shepard pointing a gun... I figured he was going to frame Shepard or something, but sadly it didn't go anywhere.

[ZipZap2000]

Talimancers in this thread exposing themselves.

Some green, green jelly on display.

*sips ryncol*

[YOLOmancer]

Ashley the racist and star brat. No questions about it.

 

I mean, come on, who the hell are you to judge Wrex or Garrus??? When i had to choose between Kaidan and Ashley i didn't even think about it for a second. And guess no explanation needed for the brat.

[KaiserShep]

Ashley the racist and star brat. No questions about it.

 

I mean, come on, who the hell are you to judge Wrex or Garrus??? When i had to choose between Kaidan and Ashley i didn't even think about it for a second. And guess no explanation needed for the brat.

 

 

Well, in her place, I'd be pretty wary of the alien civilians meandering about the Alliance warship with basically free access to everything. If I commanded the Normandy, Tali wouldn't be anywhere near engineering, because that's like letting some random yahoo off the street work in Skunkworks or something. 

[aoibhealfae]

Thane is quite prominent in Mass Effect Foundation. He's the only one who have met Rasa/Brooks while she was compiling the dossier.

 

The only species Ashley hate with absolute was the Geth but this is because of the deaths on Eden Prime. She was also branded as alien sympathizer and probably harassed because of what her grandfather did. It was resentment toward the aliens, rather than blind hatred. Meanwhile, Garrus pretty much still want to doom Wrex's entire species to extinction because of his deeply ingrained centuries-old prejudice. If you choose to sabotage the cure, Wrex will yell about Shepard killing his son. Garrus literally endorsing you to kill Wrex and his family which always make me want to vomit whenever people gush about how a great friend he is.. what a bloody hypocrite.

[Kaiser Arian XVII]

Liara 

 

Nuff said.

[Natureguy85]

Oh, you get me wrong. It's not that Thane's character would have no reason to be there,

 

No, it's exactly that. What use is an assassin to Shepard? You need soldiers, not guys you sneak around after one target. You need big dudes with big guns and a few specialists.

 

 

 

Not as unlikely as some might think. I actually recall some pre ME2 release rumors were Conrad Verner the suckup had actually been a Cerberus operative who was basically throwing together a personality profile on Shepard and when you ran into him the game, he'd basically be this completely different person. Would have been neat to have the adoring fan turn out to be a remorseless human supremacist.

 

That would be funny if he was like that in ME2 if you Renegade him in the first game. But I love telling him he helped catch a smuggler or whatever and to go home. Or making the Asari tell him he did a great job.

 

 

The ME1 journal seemed to be foreshadowing something with "Is he just a harmless fan?", him taking a picture of Shepard pointing a gun... I figured he was going to frame Shepard or something, but sadly it didn't go anywhere.

 

Yeah, I first thought he wanted a picture with Shepard, so it was weird when he wanted a pose.

[Natureguy85]

Ashley the racist and star brat. No questions about it.

 

I mean, come on, who the hell are you to judge Wrex or Garrus??? When i had to choose between Kaidan and Ashley i didn't even think about it for a second. And guess no explanation needed for the brat.

 

Ashley is nationalist, not racist. All the comments about not wanting aliens are just like saying you don't want sailors from another country poking around in our nuclear submarines.

 

 

Well, in her place, I'd be pretty wary of the alien civilians meandering about the Alliance warship with basically free access to everything. If I commanded the Normandy, Tali wouldn't be anywhere near engineering, because that's like letting some random yahoo off the street work in Skunkworks or something. 

 

Even though the chief engineer wants her there? I do know where you're coming from though, as I describe above.

 

Thane is quite prominent in Mass Effect Foundation. He's the only one who have met Rasa/Brooks while she was compiling the dossier.

 

The only species Ashley hate with absolute was the Geth but this is because of the deaths on Eden Prime. She was also branded as alien sympathizer and probably harassed because of what her grandfather did. It was resentment toward the aliens, rather than blind hatred. Meanwhile, Garrus pretty much still want to doom Wrex's entire species to extinction because of his deeply ingrained centuries-old prejudice. If you choose to sabotage the cure, Wrex will yell about Shepard killing his son. Garrus literally endorsing you to kill Wrex and his family which always make me want to vomit whenever people gush about how a great friend he is.. what a bloody hypocrite.

 

I think you go too far with Garrus, unless I'm forgetting or missed some dialogue. He questions curing the Genophage, but I don't remember him advocating anything beyond that. He's concerned the Krogan changed, which is something Wrex says in the first game. Plenty of other characters have the same concern, though some still support a cure

 

Also, people say Garrus is a good friend to Shepard, not Wrex.

[N7Swag91]

There's only one character I truly hate and that's Liara T'Soni   

[FemHawke FTW]

Kai Leng. Really got a kick out of stabbing that arrogant pr*ck