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[Seraphim24]

Thresher Maw is pretty bad.

[Prince Enigmatic]

I'm sure I've posted here on this thread, but I only hate Ashley and Dr. Gavin Archer. 

 

I dislike Zaeed, but Citadel DLC warmed me up to him, especially when he tried to woo Samara.

 

And I am genuinely surprised by the huge amount of hatred for Liara.

 

She wasn't my favourite in Mass Effect 1, but I loved her in ME2 and 3. She's one of my favourites. I get that BioWare favoured her ridiculously, so much that she was just in everything from comics, to the animated film, when I would have loved to see other characters get there share in the limelight too, but wow, wasn't expecting so much hate lol

[Helios969]

I'm sure I've posted here on this thread, but I only hate Ashley and Dr. Gavin Archer. 

 

I dislike Zaeed, but Citadel DLC warmed me up to him, especially when he tried to woo Samara.

 

And I am genuinely surprised by the huge amount of hatred for Liara.

 

She wasn't my favourite in Mass Effect 1, but I loved her in ME2 and 3. She's one of my favourites. I get that BioWare favoured her ridiculously, so much that she was just in everything from comics, to the animated film, when I would have loved to see other characters get there share in the limelight too, but wow, wasn't expecting so much hate lol

Surprising to me too.  I thought Liara was pretty flat in ME1 (you could probably say that about most of the characters), but enjoyed her growth into a more pragmatic person with a dash of ruthlessness yet she remains ever uncomfortable around others.

[FuzzyThoctar]

Hate - None

 

But there are indeed some characters that I dislike,and here is the list.

 

1 - Aria T'Loak

2 - Kai Lame

3 - Morinth

4 - Renegade Shepard

5 - Wreav

6 - Miranda

7 - Udina

8 - Ashley

9 - Henry Lawson

10 - Jacob Taylor

 

Honorable Mention - Liara T'Soni

 

Glad to see that I'm not the only one who disliked Aria. That whole "don't f**k with Aria" thing felt incredibly cheesy. It was like they were trying too hard to make her appear a badass, which just came off as kind of lame to me. I got the Omega DLC with hopes that she might grow on me if I spent more time with her character. And while I did get to see a little more to her, that unfortunately wasn't the case.

[Patricia08]

I'm not sure if i can post here already but i do it anyway ( stubborn as i am ) but i don't have a character yet that i hate or even dislike i like them all so far .   

[Sir Froggie]

Udina. There has never been a character I have enjoyed shooting so much. It doesn't matter if I'm doing a paragon or renegade playthrough in ME3, I always just shoot him when the button prompt appears. I've never seen what happens if I don't shoot him and I don't care either.

[Patricia08]

Udina. There has never been a character I have enjoyed shooting so much. It doesn't matter if I'm doing a paragon or renegade playthrough in ME3, I always just shoot him when the button prompt appears. I've never seen what happens if I don't shoot him and I don't care either.

 

There is just to much hate for Udina in you you have to relax and take a deep breath and then it will be fine  .  ( or not i don't know just trying to help here )

[Prince Enigmatic]

There is just to much hate for Udina in you you have to relax and take a deep breath and then it will be fine  .  ( or not i don't know just trying to help here )

 

Meh, I kinda like Udina.

 

He's like Boris Johnson and Donald Trump rolled into one 

[Patricia08]

Meh, I kinda like Udina.

 

He's like Boris Johnson and Donald Trump rolled into one 

 

I have no idea who Udina is never met the guy that's why i said that i wasn't sure to post here already .  

 

Btw your Avatar that's Audrey Hepburn or not if i'm not mistaken.

[Monk]

Udina, the human politician turned Citadel counselor? Right bastard but you know what, just means he was written really, really well. maybe too well, heh.

 

For me, it was chicken-little Kai Leng. Hated that little turd. Was soo thrilled to eviscerate that schmuck.

 

Side: yeah, that's Hepburn.

[kal_reegar]

1. Jack (completely mad)

2. Aria (siimply unbearable)

3. Udina (damn traitor)

4. Kai Leng (hateful dude)

5. EDI (wtf... sexbot!?! really?)

6. The Star Brat (almost ruined the trilogy)

7. Traynor and Steve Cortez (useless and flat, but with them P.C. people will stay quite)

8. Zaaed (I spit on you, criminal)

9. James Vega (poor idiot)

10. Joker (wtf... sexbot?!? really?)

[Sir Froggie]

There is just to much hate for Udina in you you have to relax and take a deep breath and then it will be fine  .  ( or not i don't know just trying to help here )

It'll be fine after I shoot Udina.

[Natureguy85]

Like the Catalyst, I think it's questionable to call Kai Leng a "character." He's almost more like a plot device.

 

 

But would he be able to get other clans to commit forces to Palaven? 

 

if doing so means they get access to the cure?

 

I could see that working pretty well

 

He could have used the cure as leverage in that scenario.

 

This would be no different than what Wrex was already doing on Tuchanka in ME2. In fairness, the clans might be more willing to fight Wrex over a physical cure rather than simply a plan for coping with the Genophage.

 

 

 

Nevermind that everyone seems to put the onus for coexistence solely on the quarians and call them "stupid" for not going out of their way to sue for peace, when the geth never make any attempts to communicate their intentions after the bullets start flying, and have been actively murdering every organic (except Saren) that tries to contact them for 3 centuries straight, peace envoys included (according to Revelation).

 

Instead, when they finally do send a diplomat, it inexplicably goes to the humans, and not even their government, but a terrorist cell that has literally no authority (and whose parent organization has attacked and is essentially in a state of war against the Migrant Fleet). If anyone is dumb, it's the geth for not simply sending the admiralty an E-Mail or posting on Admiral Raan's Twitter feed that they don't actually care all that much about Rannoch, and that the quarians can have it back if they don't come in shooting. What harm could it possibly do? At worst the quarians reject the notion and end up doing exactly the same thing they were already going to do. More likely it starts a dialogue and averts a war.

 

Instead, no one ever talks to anyone about anything of importance and we get a big dumb idiot plot that has to be ended by Shep shouting at everyone what the geth or even Admiral Idiot (Tali, post ME2) could have just made clear in the first place.

 

I forget but I think Legion will say something about every diplomatic attempt being attacked immediately. Also, do we know that it was the Geth rather than the Heretics that were destroying everyone that went into the Veil? We can be pretty sure it was the latter that made the ship crew into husks and sent them back with the distress beacon in ME1. This is part of why I didn't like that they made the Heretics such a small faction. Either they should have been an pretty even split or Legion's faction should have been the minority. They probably did it the way they did so that they could make the Geth sympathetic through Legion alone. Legion should have taken us to meet other Geth and had some sort of view of Geth society when visiting the Consensus, not just go in to shoot orange blocks.

 

Legion didn't go to Cerberus. He was captured and stuck around (if you turn him on.)

 

 

 

Jacob for the fact that he seems kind of blank-slatey to me. He seems like a bland insert with copy-pasted "hero" traits.

 

Thane... for the most part, he seems like a kick ass guy. And then on the other hand... those flashbacks ****** me off. They are so forced and trying-too-hard that it makes me grit my teeth whenever they happen, because it comes off as a desperate attempt to make the character come off as "deep", by using a writing shortcut. "How can we make this guy seem really deep?" is all I hear when he goes into those flashbacks. The same exact flaw was in Cole in DAI, and I freaking hated him too, for the exact same reason.

 

After saving my crew from the Collectors and talking to Kelly Chambers, she started doing the same ****! I was about ready to slap her when she got that entranced look on her face and started "flashing back to when the Collectors took her!" Can't anyone tell me what happened without acting like that? If Garrus started doing it, that'd be the end of our friendship right there.

 

The biggest disappointment of all... has to be Morinth.

 

On Jacob, you're right. He's just there to be a pretty good Cerberus guy to make you think they might be alright after all.

 

On Thane, I had the opposite reaction. He annoyed me and I had no interest in his combat abilities. Why do I need an assassin? I liked that his philosophy was BS he used to not feel bad about killing people. I wish that had been what his quest and character arc had been about. The memories at least made the Drell interesting since we only see 3 the entire game and the same 2 in ME3. I don't know what the deal with Kelly was. Maybe to show how big of an impact it had.

 

Morinth is an awesome character though... unless you recruit her. There's no reason at all to do this, so that's what you get lol.

 

 

 

 

 

 

I dislike Zaeed, but Citadel DLC warmed me up to him, especially when he tried to woo Samara.

 

How dare you. Zaeed is awesome.

 

 

Glad to see that I'm not the only one who disliked Aria. That whole "don't f**k with Aria" thing felt incredibly cheesy. It was like they were trying too hard to make her appear a badass, which just came off as kind of lame to me. I got the Omega DLC with hopes that she might grow on me if I spent more time with her character. And while I did get to see a little more to her, that unfortunately wasn't the case.

 

Interesting. I see that, but all I could think when she said that line was the development team giggling "Hey, look, we said 'f*ck!' We're so edgy now!" I didn't mind them setting her up as a badass. I minded them setting her up as a badass and then her sitting on a couch. I don't mind that she doesn't care who Shepard is, but she either needs to show her badassness, or Shepard needs to show his/her superiority.

 

 

 

Udina. There has never been a character I have enjoyed shooting so much. It doesn't matter if I'm doing a paragon or renegade playthrough in ME3, I always just shoot him when the button prompt appears. I've never seen what happens if I don't shoot him and I don't care either.

 

I liked him in the first game. Not as a person, but definitely as a character.

[Kierro Ren]

Undina

Miranda

Council (Don't really hate them, just annoyed)

The ****** engineer on the colony in ME2, who blames you for Collector attack

The reporter hag

Aand... *Forest Gump* That's all I have to say about dat.

I hated (with a passion) very little.

[Quarian Master Race]

I forget but I think Legion will say something about every diplomatic attempt being attacked immediately. Also, do we know that it was the Geth rather than the Heretics that were destroying everyone that went into the Veil? We can be pretty sure it was the latter that made the ship crew into husks and sent them back with the distress beacon in ME1. This is part of why I didn't like that they made the Heretics such a small faction. Either they should have been an pretty even split or Legion's faction should have been the minority. They probably did it the way they did so that they could make the Geth sympathetic through Legion alone. Legion should have taken us to meet other Geth and had some sort of view of Geth society when visiting the Consensus, not just go in to shoot orange blocks.

 

Legion didn't go to Cerberus. He was captured and stuck around (if you turn him on.)

It says nothing of the sort that I'm aware of. I'm almost certain of that.

Yes we do know it was the typical geth performing the killings and not just Heretics. This was established as geth ideology towards organics in ME1 from since the end of the uprising, when the Heretics didn't even exist as an entity yet. From Revelation, Page 117

"In the aftermath of the war the geth became a completely isolationist society...........Every attempt to open diplomatic channels with them failed: emissary vessels sent to open negotiations were attacked and destroyed the moment they entered geth space"

Tali backs this up in ME1 if asked about the geth, though her answer is shorter. It's at the end of the conversation, right after the line where the game gives you two dialogue options that both openly endorse genocide of the quarians.

We can actually see this ideology in action on Haestrom, where both the quarian science team and the player's squad are unprovokedly attacked on site using deadly force, after zero communication. The geth there clearly aren't Heretics, evidenced by the fact that they still appear even if you have already destroyed Heretic station, as well as a line by Legion about reconfiguring its IFF to attack "friendly" geth at the beginning of the mission should you bring it.

I'm not sure that interpretation of Legion's behavior makes it any less stupid if it is intended to be a diplomat ("terminal to organics") for the geth to finally establish contact with the rest of the galaxy as is stated. Of course, Shep can help it perform its mission by bringing it to the Council (who in typical idiot fashion doesn't even believe its a real geth), and the quarians (where it flatly turns down the possibility of an olive branch by Admiral Koris when he asks about a peaceful solution to the conflict).

 

[The Dystopian Hound]

Udina.

[Natureguy85]

It says nothing of the sort that I'm aware of. I'm almost certain of that.

Yes we do know it was the typical geth performing the killings and not just Heretics. This was established as geth ideology towards organics in ME1 from since the end of the uprising, when the Heretics didn't even exist as an entity yet. From Revelation, Page 117

"In the aftermath of the war the geth became a completely isolationist society...........Every attempt to open diplomatic channels with them failed: emissary vessels sent to open negotiations were attacked and destroyed the moment they entered geth space"

Tali backs this up in ME1 if asked about the geth, though her answer is shorter. It's at the end of the conversation, right after the line where the game gives you two dialogue options that both openly endorse genocide of the quarians.

We can actually see this ideology in action on Haestrom, where both the quarian science team and the player's squad are unprovokedly attacked on site using deadly force, after zero communication. The geth there clearly aren't Heretics, evidenced by the fact that they still appear even if you have already destroyed Heretic station, as well as a line by Legion about reconfiguring its IFF to attack "friendly" geth at the beginning of the mission should you bring it.

I'm not sure that interpretation of Legion's behavior makes it any less stupid if it is intended to be a diplomat ("terminal to organics") for the geth to finally establish contact with the rest of the galaxy as is stated. Of course, Shep can help it perform its mission by bringing it to the Council (who in typical idiot fashion doesn't even believe its a real geth), and the quarians (where it flatly turns down the possibility of an olive branch by Admiral Koris when he asks about a peaceful solution to the conflict).

 

 

I don't care what Revelation says. The books are irrelevant. I do remember what Tali says, but I wasn't sure how long the Heretics have been around before the Eden Prime attack. However, I didn't know that about the Haestrom mission, which is cool. Thanks!

[Prince Enigmatic]

 

 

Btw your Avatar that's Audrey Hepburn or not if i'm not mistaken.

 

Yep!  Audrey Hepburn and James Dean, my two favourite actors.

 

 

 

How dare you. Zaeed is awesome.

 

Eurgh... Robin Sachs did a great job voicing him, I've never really had any complaints about the voice acting in the Mass Effect games, but Zaeed's loyalty mission made me dislike him. For a jaded bounty hunter, he was acting like a fricking child whose toy was taken away from him. Twenty years hunting that fool Vido? Please, move on. After it, I just forgot about him, since he and Kasumi suffer from not really having much interesting stuff to say after their loyalty missions.

 

Like I said though, I warmed to him in the Citadel DLC, but they basically just made him goofier in it. 

[CronoDragoon]

I don't care what Revelation says. The books are irrelevant.

 

The books are canon (except Deception). They hold as much authority as the Codex.

[Catastrophy]

That creepy Cerbie snitch in ME2? The one that pesters you with "you got mail"? There was a casualty at the Collector base, iirc.

[Prince Enigmatic]

That creepy Cerbie snitch in ME2? The one that pesters you with "you got mail"? There was a casualty at the Collector base, iirc.

 

Kelly? Yeah, no I was never a fan. 

 

For some reason she would always tell me I had mail, right after I read all my mail. 

 

Never bothered talking to her since my Shepard's are all anti-Cerberus lol. 

 

Yeah... she got liquefied too in all my playthroughs too. Only one worth saving was Chakwas.

[Natureguy85]

Eurgh... Robin Sachs did a great job voicing him, I've never really had any complaints about the voice acting in the Mass Effect games, but Zaeed's loyalty mission made me dislike him. For a jaded bounty hunter, he was acting like a fricking child whose toy was taken away from him. Twenty years hunting that fool Vido? Please, move on. After it, I just forgot about him, since he and Kasumi suffer from not really having much interesting stuff to say after their loyalty missions.

Like I said though, I warmed to him in the Citadel DLC, but they basically just made him goofier in it.

There's something to that, but "move on" could be said of almost all their loyalty missions. Being consumed with Revenge make sense for a guy like Zaeed.

However, Zaeed's is one of the most important missions. He is one of only two to four who at least arguably get a character arc, the others being Mordin and possibly Garrus and Jack, depending on Shepard. He is also one of the only two or three who's missions actually have to do with loyalty, the others being Tali and possibly Grunt. Every other mission is just remove this distraction. And in order for Zaeed to get his arc, Shepard must actually use the paragon system.

That said, I definitely also like him because he's a badass and has some fun dialogue on missions.

[The Dystopian Hound]

That creepy Cerbie snitch in ME2? The one that pesters you with "you got mail"? There was a casualty at the Collector base, iirc.

she danced pretty well.

[Natureguy85]

The books are canon (except Deception). They hold as much authority as the Codex.

 

No, they don't. They automatically lose any conflict with any information in the games. The should contain no information required to understand the games' plots or events. Secondary media like the books is for fleshing out the universe and side stories. Something like this just needs to be mentioned.

[CronoDragoon]

No, they don't. They automatically lose any conflict with any information in the games. The should contain no information required to understand the games' plots or events. Secondary media like the books is for fleshing out the universe and side stories. Something like this just needs to be mentioned.

 

The books don't contain any info required to understand the games' plots or events. Like you said, it's a matter of fleshing out the universe. That also means that by definition they are canon, or else they aren't actually fleshing out the universe.

 

Contradictions are a unique matter that aren't limited to book/game conflicts. They can also occur on a game to game basis. In such a case, what wins out is whatever BioWare wants to win out, what they intended to be the case. Having said that, I'm not aware of many if any conflicts between the books and the games.

 

If you want an example of the above, there's a longer cut of Anderson's speech at the end of ME3 with Shepard, but it includes a line about him not having children. The section was cut because the books had already established that Anderson did have children, so they had to keep continuity.