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anything would have been better than what she had in ME3


Whether you're referring to Miranda or EDI, I disagree.

The Cerberus covert officer (with strong ties to The Illusive Man) hanging around the ship for the entirety of ME3 would've been in the running for the stupidest thing in the series, period.

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Whether you're referring to Miranda or EDI, I disagree.

The Cerberus covert officer (with strong ties to The Illusive Man) hanging around the ship for the entirety of ME3 would've been in the running for the stupidest thing in the series, period.

Why?



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Whether you're referring to Miranda or EDI, I disagree.

The Cerberus covert officer (with strong ties to The Illusive Man) hanging around the ship for the entirety of ME3 would've been in the running for the stupidest thing in the series, period.

well we had a known and wanted violent felon on our ship who turned into a school teacher, so compared to an ex-Cerberus officer, that takes the cake.  They already wrote her out of Cerberus after ME2 and there was no reason they couldn't have had her turn informant or something like other Ex-Cerberus officers.


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Why?


Pretty self-explanatory. Cerberus has never been trusted throughout the series, and we're dealing with them as an antagonistic force in ME3. It makes no sense to have someone of her stature in the organization, severed ties or not, hanging around as an incredibly obvious potential mole and flip liability.
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well we had a known and wanted violent felon on our ship who turned into a school teacher, so compared to an ex-Cerberus officer, that takes the cake.  They already wrote her out of Cerberus after ME2 and there was no reason they couldn't have had her turn informant or something like other Ex-Cerberus officers.


Jack not only hated Cerberus, but was a product of their grueling research methods. That counterexample doesn't hold water as it relates to who's aboard the Normandy in ME3. There's absolutely no reason why Miranda wouldn't be considered a direct liability, whereas Jack could feasibly be seen as a reformed individual.

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Hackett has no problem offering Jacob a position though, Jacob was merely one position behind Miranda on chain of command. Heck didn't even need to respect her.

 

Miranda had a noticeable development in course of ME2, I was also disappointed with how she turned out on ME3.


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Pretty self-explanatory. Cerberus has never been trusted throughout the series, and we're dealing with them as an antagonistic force in ME3. It makes no sense to have someone of her stature in the organization, severed ties or not, hanging around as an incredibly obvious potential mole and flip liability.

 But yet Shepard is willing to give her Alliance resources when dealing with her a third time before Sanctuary. If she's such a potential mole and flip liability, as you say, why give her access to those resources?



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Jack not only hated Cerberus, but was a product of their grueling research methods. That counterexample doesn't hold water as it relates to who's aboard the Normandy in ME3. There's absolutely no reason why Miranda wouldn't be considered a direct liability, whereas Jack could feasibly be seen as a reformed individual.

she turns traitor, has tons of information on Cerberus, and has a history of working with Shepard, that's what Jacob has as well and he's welcomed into the Alliance (after having abandoned them in the past)

 

Yes, Jack being potentially reformed makes up for the body count she left behind and she should totally be left with kids.



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Whether you're referring to Miranda or EDI, I disagree.

The Cerberus covert officer (with strong ties to The Illusive Man) hanging around the ship for the entirety of ME3 would've been in the running for the stupidest thing in the series, period.

 

You're right, but that would likely be more of an issue for others, not for Shepard.

 

 

 But yet Shepard is willing to give her Alliance resources when dealing with her a third time before Sanctuary. If she's such a potential mole and flip liability, as you say, why give her access to those resources?

 

Shepard can give her those resources. That is left up to the player, is it not?



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Pretty self-explanatory. Cerberus has never been trusted throughout the series, and we're dealing with them as an antagonistic force in ME3. It makes no sense to have someone of her stature in the organization, severed ties or not, hanging around as an incredibly obvious potential mole and flip liability.

A fair point, although I think you may over-exaggerating considering that Shepard, Joker, and EDI (and others who were part of Cerberus and then joined the ship/the alliance/helped build the crucible) were also part of Cerberus with no small role in the organization's operations. Having Miranda as an double agent would be pretty useful.

 

A pretty long running tradition in Mass Effect are the choices between taking a risk for potential allies or not risking potential enemies. Wrex, Grunt, Samara, Morinth, Legion, Thane, the council, the krogan in general, the rachni in general, the geth in general are all examples. Not to mention the times where you have no choice like EDI.

In context of that, I don't think it would have been so extreme to at least have given the choice whether to recruit Miranda or not as a squad member. 



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But yet Shepard is willing to give her Alliance resources when dealing with her a third time before Sanctuary. If she's such a potential mole and flip liability, as you say, why give her access to those resources?


How is tossing her a wad of resources in any way the same thing as the constant ability to survey and report back on everything aboard the Normandy?

she turns traitor, has tons of information on Cerberus, and has a history of working with Shepard, that's what Jacob has as well and he's welcomed into the Alliance (after having abandoned them in the past)


And yet, you'll notice Jacob also wasn't allowed on the Normandy, and was only brought back into the Alliance fold after Gellix, a mission proving Cerberus was actually hunting him and his group.

Miranda doesn't have that luxury. There's absolutely no indication that she's not still tied to Cerberus.
 

Yes, Jack being potentially reformed makes up for the body count she left behind and she should totally be left with kids.


Absolutely. People with body-counts and checkered pasts that they've come to grips with can make for the best teachers due to their perspective. Far more trustworthy than Miranda around sensitive material that could destroy the entire Alliance effort and doom the galaxy.

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You're right, but that would likely be more of an issue for others, not for Shepard.


Some Shepards, sure. Others can continue to not trust her.

But yes, this has more to do with everyone else but Shepard.

Shepard can give her those resources. That is left up to the player, is it not?


Yep.
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Shepard can give her those resources. That is left up to the player, is it not?

It is.

 

If trust is an issue, why give them at all?



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If trust is an issue, why give them at all?


Trust is an issue. That's why you're given the choice.
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Who do you hate, or just dislike the most, in the Mass Effect series?

 

It could be anyone, hero, ally, villain or even a random NPC.

 

The Turian councilor -.- (they didn't even let me scold him/tell him: "I ****** told you so - and now go to hell, I get all the other races on board and you'll come groveling to me later!")...exactly blockheads like this probably started the First Contact War!



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How is tossing her a wad of resources in any way the same thing as the constant ability to survey and report back on everything aboard the Normandy?

Who would she be reporting back to in ME3 while onboard the Normandy? The only one she would be reporting to would be Shepard.



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It is.

 

If trust is an issue, why give them at all?

Because Shep wanted to get his d1ck wet asap by eliminating a potential argument with his gf

 

It's too bad we didn't get an explanation of what the resources are.  They're the difference between Miranda remaining as Shep's gf or being a dead woman

 

If I didn't know sharing those resources saves her azz, I wouldn't have ever let her access them


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Because Shep wanted to get his d1ck wet asap by eliminating a potential argument with his gf

Boba Shep the Booty Hunter.
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And yet, you'll notice Jacob also wasn't allowed on the Normandy, and was only brought back into the Alliance fold after Gellix, a mission proving Cerberus was actually hunting him and his group.

Miranda doesn't have that luxury. There's absolutely no indication that she's not still tied to Cerberus.
 

Absolutely. People with body-counts and checkered pasts that they've come to grips with can make for the best teachers due to their perspective. Far more trustworthy than Miranda around sensitive material that could destroy the entire Alliance effort and doom the galaxy.

You can offer a position on the Normandy to him, that he turns it down is another matter.  Miranda is in a similar position, and can even rather clearly resign at the end of ME2.  Also there's no reason NOT to trust her when she says she's being hunted by Cerberus as well.

 

She doesn't have a checkered past, she's a wanted murderer, pirate, and so on.  You presumably don't end up in Purgatory for having a small gang career



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You can offer a position on the Normandy to him, that he turns it down is another matter.  Miranda is in a similar position, and can even rather clearly resign at the end of ME2.  Also there's no reason NOT to trust her when she says she's being hunted by Cerberus as well.

 

She doesn't have a checkered past, she's a wanted murderer, pirate, and so on.  You presumably don't end up in Purgatory for having a small gang career

That alone wouldn't make me believe she isn't a spy.

 

If anything, it could be a tactic to get close.

 

I'd be extra guarded knowing that women abuse the wench in distress card.



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You can offer a position on the Normandy to him, that he turns it down is another matter.


Right, it never gets to the point of Alliance approval, so it's not a factor.

Miranda is in a similar position, and can even rather clearly resign at the end of ME2.


And? That doesn't mean her ties are really severed, or that she won't get roped back in.

Also there's no reason NOT to trust her when she says she's being hunted by Cerberus as well.


Sure, there is. Shepard has nothing but her word to go by at that point.
 

She doesn't have a checkered past, she's a wanted murderer, pirate, and so on.  You presumably don't end up in Purgatory for having a small gang career


True, which provides her with some valuable life experience she can convey to young biotics after getting her life somewhat straightened out. Reformed criminals can be valuable assets. It's a stretch, but an enjoyable and contained one.

Point remains. Miranda is, essentially, a galactic liability.

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I just don't see where you are getting all of this distrust of Miranda from, its not like she's a diehard Cerberus believer at the end of ME2, and given that ehr story is similar to other Cerberus defectors there's not a whole lot of evidence to suggest she's lying.



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I just don't see where you are getting all of this distrust of Miranda from, its not like she's a diehard Cerberus believer at the end of ME2, and given that ehr story is similar to other Cerberus defectors there's not a whole lot of evidence to suggest she's lying.


There's not a lot of evidence suggesting she's telling the truth, either. All we have is her history, and it contains very deep ties with Cerberus that aren't wiped away with her hasty "peace out" at the end of ME2. Certainly not enough to grant her access to the Normandy and everything onboard.

I don't personally dislike or distrust Miranda, by the way.

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There's not a lot of evidence suggesting she's telling the truth, either. All we have is her history, and it contains very deep ties with Cerberus that aren't wiped away with her hasty "peace out" at the end of ME2. Certainly not enough to grant her access to the Normandy and everything onboard.

I don't personally dislike or distrust Miranda, by the way.

Given that Shepard has given people who are equally untrustowrthy, Matriarch Benezia's daughter, a geth platform, several mercenaries, and so on, I don't think its some big scandal waiting to happen


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ME1: Liara, Udina, Benezia, the council, Balak

ME2: Miranda, Jack, Kaiden, Ashley, Daddy/Mommy issues, the council

ME3: Kai Leng, Illusive Man, Udina, Star Brat, Cerberus, Miranda, Jacob, Morinth, Kelly Chambers, Harbinger, Balak, Samara, the council