Oh God, I'd forgotten just how irritating Ashley/Kaidan are in ME3. Not only did they tell you to take a hike in ME2, but the majority of ME3 is "I don't trust you, Shepard" and "I still don't trust you, Shepard" and then "I want back on the ship, Shepard"..
Get lost.
I always got the feeling Bioware invested more resources into creating Miranda than they did the other characters.
She's pretty much your co-star in ME2.
I always got the feeling Bioware invested more resources into creating Miranda than they did the other characters.
She's pretty much your co-star in ME2.
Given the nature of the game, I understood it. It's a Cerberus mission, she's your XO in charge of getting stuff done.
The thing you're describing though, investing more resources, I understand that. I just think that "honor" goes to Liara.
Shooting them to death during the Citadel coup is the way to go. Nice Wrex paradox in there too.Oh God, I'd forgotten just how irritating Ashley/Kaidan are in ME3. Not only did they tell you to take a hike in ME2, but the majority of ME3 is "I don't trust you, Shepard" and "I still don't trust you, Shepard" and then "I want back on the ship, Shepard"..
Get lost.
Its worse in Ashley's case, she was a space racist in ME1 while Kaidan was fine.
Its worse in Ashley's case, she was a space racist in ME1 while Kaidan was fine.
Everytime I hear someone talk about Ashley being a space racist, I wonder why Wrex never gets called on it.
Everytime I hear someone talk about Ashley being a space racist, I wonder why Wrex never gets called on it.
The Krogan are a messed up race who have been "uplifted" way before they were ready and half the galaxy screwed them. The whole Korgan race is skeptical about aliens, Wrex is actually more open minded than most Krogan.
This doesn't apply to Ashley, she is racist because she doesn't like aliens, period.
Oh God, I'd forgotten just how irritating Ashley/Kaidan are in ME3. Not only did they tell you to take a hike in ME2, but the majority of ME3 is "I don't trust you, Shepard" and "I still don't trust you, Shepard" and then "I want back on the ship, Shepard"..
Get lost.
Ashley's attitude was born out of the events on Shanxi where her grandfather was branded as a coward, her father never rose above third class serviceman until his death and her career also suffered. She only wanted humanity to be strong and don't simply give bend down with ass up to the aliens. I think the excessive response was that she was mean toward Liara.... but for good reason, Matriarch Benezia was personally involved in the attack on Eden Prime. Ashley's unit and colonists were just massacred and we're giving room and board to her daughter. Do you want to sleep in the same room with the beloved child of the murderer who killed all of your friends?
Wrex have a personal grudge against the Salarian and Turians because he lived through the 'gentle' genocide of his people's children. He lived through the initial genophage infection and was exiled in the last days of krogan rebellion. He was over a thousand years old. You want to tell a dinosaur that his past suffering isn't valid anymore and the billion dead babies doesn't matter because we have to play nice with the aliens who neutered them?
Hardly anyone call out Garrus being more racist either His prejudice was nurtured among his people that the krogan are inherently violent and need to be contained and put down like a dog. He endorsed the genophage and he called the doomsday bomb as "ingenious", a giant bomb that used to as a deadly leverage on a significant population and effectively subdue and making them hostage. He thought Quarians as homeless beggars and both races deserved their fate for going against the council. Try changing Krogan and Quarians to actual religion, culture and people and how very real that become. This is far more common than the prejudices held Wrex or Ashley.
He thought Quarians as homeless beggars and both races deserved their fate for going against the council.
But then felt too lonely and had his own engine room moment with Tali
Ashley's attitude was born out of the events on Shanxi where her grandfather was branded as a coward, her father never rose above third class serviceman until his death and her career also suffered. She only wanted humanity to be strong and don't simply give bend down with ass up to the aliens. I think the excessive response was that she was mean toward Liara.... but for good reason, Matriarch Benezia was personally involved in the attack on Eden Prime. Ashley's unit and colonists were just massacred and we're giving room and board to her daughter. Do you want to sleep in the same room with the beloved child of the murderer who killed all of your friends?
Wrex have a personal grudge against the Salarian and Turians because he lived through the 'gentle' genocide of his people's children. He lived through the initial genophage infection and was exiled in the last days of krogan rebellion. He was over a thousand years old. You want to tell a dinosaur that his past suffering isn't valid anymore and the billion dead babies doesn't matter because we have to play nice with the aliens who neutered them?
Hardly anyone call out Garrus being more racist either His prejudice was nurtured among his people that the krogan are inherently violent and need to be contained and put down like a dog. He endorsed the genophage and he called the doomsday bomb as "ingenious", a giant bomb that used to as a deadly leverage on a significant population and effectively subdue and making them hostage. He thought Quarians as homeless beggars and both races deserved their fate for going against the council. Try changing Krogan and Quarians to actual religion, culture and people and how very real that become. This is far more common than the prejudices held Wrex or Ashley.
Ashley's problem is pretty and personal in comparison, which is why it doesn't give her the right to be a racist. She is serving on a Turian-Human ship and every time she is insulting an alien in front of Shepard she is pretty much out of line and if she knows military as much as she lets you believe, that doesn't go unpunished.
Turian and Salarian forces were pretty much defeated by the Krogan, they were about to witness the genocide of their races until Salarians came up with the genophage. While the Korgan didn't deserve to stay that way that many centuries, at the time it saved two races from genocide. The Krogan were not faultless but the response to their action was too harsh, specially allowing it to continue for all this time.
My point is the hostility between Krogan, Turian and Salarians is understandable, but Ashley being racist towards every single alien race (not even only Turian) is not understandable.
Who do you hate, or just dislike the most, in the Mass Effect series?
It could be anyone, hero, ally, villain or even a random NPC.
Dislike:
-Liara
-Tali
Hate:
-Starbrat
-Udina
Ashley's biggest crime was rudeness and that she didn't think all aliens are special snowflakes. She's an Alliance loyalist but she is anti-Terra Firma. She's anti-Cerberus. She volunteered to stay with the Salarian STG without questioning. She love Tali like her own sister. Ashley have irrational fears but her concerns were pragmatic. There's not a single dialogue of her wanting human dominance in galactic powers or wishing death and misery upon all aliens.
Garrus' racism is blind prejudice out of sustained ignorance and cultural privilege with deadly consequences. "I am the good guy, you are the bad guy" and "Shoot first, ask question later" mentality is more damaging. He justified bomb threats and dead children for population control and subjugation and unlike Ashley, Garrus does have significant pull on his government due to his relationship with both Primarch Fedorian and Primarch Victus. But all of this doesn't matter because he's too likable. How was prejudices that lead to mass death being celebrated as less offensive than rudeness?
But all of this doesn't matter because he's too likable. How was prejudices that lead to mass death being celebrated as less offensive than rudeness?
The Garrus is a politician.
Ashley is merely a soldier.
Try changing Krogan and Quarians to actual religion, culture and people and how very real that become.
I'm pretty sure you cannot do that for krogan.
Miranda doesn't have that luxury. There's absolutely no indication that she's not still tied to Cerberus.
Not true! In ME3 she no longer has the Cerberus logo on her cat suit, and we all know that Cerberus puts their logo on EVERYTHING!
There's not a lot of evidence suggesting she's telling the truth, either. All we have is her history, and it contains very deep ties with Cerberus that aren't wiped away with her hasty "peace out" at the end of ME2. Certainly not enough to grant her access to the Normandy and everything onboard.
I don't personally dislike or distrust Miranda, by the way.
You're right but it's one of those narrative things that are meant to be taken at face value accepted because it says so.
I always got the feeling Bioware invested more resources into creating Miranda than they did the other characters.
She's pretty much your co-star in ME2.
It's because the writer thought Cerberus was awesome and needed to keep it front and center. To be fair, she is one of few characters that actually get an arc though.
Its worse in Ashley's case, she was a space racist in ME1 while Kaidan was fine.
Ashley is not racist. She is nationalistic. She wants to put humans first in the same way that one might put their country first in the real world. And while I want my military and government to work with our allies, that doesn't mean I want those allies to have access to all of our advanced technology. Especially if we were recently at war with one of them. It's the same issue the Inspecting Admiral has.
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They did a good job with Miranda. She was a star.
Ashley is not racist. She is nationalistic. She wants to put humans first in the same way that one might put their country first in the real world. And while I want my military and government to work with our allies, that doesn't mean I want those allies to have access to all of our advanced technology. Especially if we were recently at war with one of them. It's the same issue the Inspecting Admiral has.
Call it whatever you like, she has too much of it. She was not mean to serve in a Human-Turian ship that clearly intended to work with aliens.
Kaidan has enough amount of nationalism without making ass of himself, close to borderline racism.
If Ashley didn't have boobs its very likely she would be one of the most hated characters of mass effect universe. Don't underestimate the power of the boobs.
Call it whatever you like, she has too much of it. She was not mean to serve in a Human-Turian ship that clearly intended to work with aliens.
Kaidan has enough amount of nationalism without making ass of himself, close to borderline racism.
If Ashley didn't have boobs its very likely she would be one of the most hated characters of mass effect universe. Don't underestimate the power of the boobs.
For me, only Horizon mechanic. Because he is irritating, even when you save the colony and his ass, and there are no appropriate options to respond.
According to the Admiral, the Normandy wasn't intended to work with aliens. You're misinterpreting her. Kaidan is more "work with aliens" while Ashley doesn't want to rely on them and wants humanity to be sting on its own. That's on purpose and Shepard cam reflect those positions, such as in the tv interview in me1.
Well you can't actually make progress in the game without working with the aliens, what Shepard says is just a choice given to players to express themselves. So in the end you need to work with aliens, most notably Liara.
Kaidan does not fully support working with aliens, he shows some skepticism but accepts the necessity of it.
If I ignored the romance plot completely, the choice was very clear. Kaidan's class is more useful than Ashley (both in 1 and 3) and he has far better attitude. I mean even if you don't count the racism, Ashley is simply rude.
I don't see how Ashley is racist. Every second turian you meet has the same attitude towards humans as Ashley. Humans and turians are mistrustful of each other after the First Contact War. Ashley didn't serve with the aliens before, all she knows is third-hand knowledge about them. Her only fault is that she's ignorant about aliens. She didn't have a first hand experience dealing with them like Kaidan had on Jump Zero. Many say she's racist because of one sentence "I can't tell the aliens from the animals" but you've got to be honest with yourself: how can you see which alien can talk and which alien is just a mindless animal before you try to talk to one? For example the Keepers are weird creatures that don't talk and they kinda look like grasshoppers. Elcors look kinda like elephants and hanar are literally jellyfish. You can't blame children when they say something rude without understanding that it's not a nice thing to say. Ashley is like a child sees all these weird-looking aliens for the first time and just states her observation that you can't really argue with.
Well you can't actually make progress in the game without working with the aliens, what Shepard says is just a choice given to players to express themselves. So in the end you need to work with aliens, most notably Liara.
Kaidan does not fully support working with aliens, he shows some skepticism but accepts the necessity of it.
If I ignored the romance plot completely, the choice was very clear. Kaidan's class is more useful than Ashley (both in 1 and 3) and he has far better attitude. I mean even if you don't count the racism, Ashley is simply rude.
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