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When I first played ME1, I was taken back a bit by choosing treatment for a woman's unborn child or leaving it up to chance. But I love that! Controversial stuff! Do it!
> Does not want developers to list or label things that can trigger a reaction.
> Want people who could be triggered to research the game for the triggers.
You realize how you are contradicting yourself, yes? Or are you saying that anyone who can be triggered should not get anything when it is new and wait weeks or months for just the possibility of someone other than the people who know everything about the game mentioning the specific trigger, and if that is never revealed not get the game even if it doesn't have it?
On the contrary the game developers are already labeling games with basic charts as of age, violence, strong language etc. But if you are suffering the PTSD, I don´t want to sound as a dick, but it would be probably smart thing to not buy some FPS or horror game...
Yeah, they should avoid "side boob" since it is the most controversial part of the ME series.
Yeah, they should avoid "side boob" since it is the most controversial part of the ME series.
You have been following the last three years, right? 
You have been following the last three years, right?
Bad endings didn't make Fox News.
Bad endings didn't make Fox News.
Made the WSJ though.
But in terms of people who actually play Mass Effect, I'd say Fox News was more controversial than side boob.
Since I'm pretty sure the overall response to those watching that episode was "What's a Mass Effect?"
Made the WSJ though.
But in terms of people who actually play Mass Effect, I'd say Fox News was more controversial than side boob.
Since I'm pretty sure the overall response to those watching that episode was "What's a Mass Effect?"
That's interesting, but bad endings aren't controversial in general.
As for OP, a Leliana imposter seducing the Inquisitor sounds like it should have been removed because it is bad narrative, not just because it is "rape." Of course, who knows what the scene was, seduction isn't rape.
In any case, it is obvious that avoiding controversy for the sake of avoiding controversy can be adversely affect the narrative potentially, but then again shoe-horning in controversial topics that have little to do with the overarching themes in the narrative isn't any better.
Without knowing anything specific about the MEA story, there can't really be a meaningful discussion on this topic.
As for OP, a Leliana imposter seducing the Inquisitor sounds like it should have been removed because it is bad narrative, not just because it is "rape."
Rarely any idea is objectively "bad narrative", it all depends on how you write it, and what you do with it.
Rarely any idea is objectively "bad narrative", it all depends on how you write it, and what you do with it.
Bad wording? You aren't raping someone you've "seduced". Seduction doesn't imply force, it implies the normal way of doing it.
Rape or any other topic shouldn't be avoided just because someone will be offended. Boo-hoo. If it is important and works in a story/narrative, then it belongs. If it is just gratuitous or clumsy, then don't use it.
Made the WSJ though.
But in terms of people who actually play Mass Effect, I'd say Fox News was more controversial than side boob.
Since I'm pretty sure the overall response to those watching that episode was "What's a Mass Effect?"
Considering that the average age of the ME player was NOT 13 years old but was a fair shot higher into the adult age range, side boob, front boob, or whatever is irrelevant and not an issue. Play to your primary audience, don't aim away from "hurting tender eyes" of children. That's what game ratings are for (to make kids WANT to get the game but for parents to try and prevent them - but ultimately fail - and for adults to do what they want).
You aren't raping someone you've "seduced". Seduction doesn't imply force, it implies the normal way of doing it.
You are if you are deceiving the other person in order to have sex with them. That is rape by deception. In this case, the Envy Demon was deceiving the Inquisitor by taking the form of Leliana before seducing them, thus would be raping the Inquisitor.
You are if you are deceiving the other person in order to have sex with them. That is rape by deception. In this case, the Envy Demon was deceiving the Inquisitor by taking the form of Leliana before seducing them, thus would be raping the Inquisitor.
Deceiving isn't rape, it just being an @sshole. Many guys out at the bars on a weekend are there to pickup girls, not get all permanent relationshippy but they wont necessarily tell the girl that they are just there for the night. If she agrees to have sex with one of them because she thought it might lead to something longer-term, finds out he just had a good time and doesn't call, it doesn't magically convert into rape.
If you pretend to be rich and snag a woman on that note, seduce her and then she finds out you aren't rich, the deception makes you an @ss and her feel stupid but it doesn't make it rape.
You sleep with someone who either lies about their STD status or it doesn't come up, you find out days later the person has herpes, the deception doesn't make the sex rape. You MAY have a reason to sue depending on the lawyer, or maybe not. It makes that person a total sh*t but not a rapist. If they have HIV and didn't divulge, the deception doesn't make it rape, it does make it a crime but the crime isn't rape.
If you pick up a woman at a bar, get hot and heavy and it turns out she's actually a he, you may be pissed (and horribly mortified and embarrassed) but there was no rape.
I don't do dragony wizardy games so I cannot address the issue you speak to but if a drug is used, then that becomes rape. Deception in and of itself doesn't make a rape. It almost always makes an @sshole.
Deceiving isn't rape, it just being an @sshole. Many guys out at the bars on a weekend are there to pickup girls, not get all permanent relationshippy but they wont necessarily tell the girl that they are just there for the night. If she agrees to have sex with one of them because she thought it might lead to something longer-term, finds out he just had a good time and doesn't call, it doesn't magically convert into rape.
If you pretend to be rich and snag a woman on that note, seduce her and then she finds out you aren't rich, the deception makes you an @ss and her feel stupid but it doesn't make it rape.
You sleep with someone who either lies about their STD status or it doesn't come up, you find out days later the person has herpes, the deception doesn't make the sex rape. You MAY have a reason to sue depending on the lawyer, or maybe not. It makes that person a total sh*t but not a rapist. If they have HIV and didn't divulge, the deception doesn't make it rape, it does make it a crime but the crime isn't rape.
If you pick up a woman at a bar, get hot and heavy and it turns out she's actually a he, you may be pissed (and horribly mortified and embarrassed) but there was no rape.
I don't do dragony wizardy games so I cannot address the issue you speak to but if a drug is used, then that becomes rape. Deception in and of itself doesn't make a rape. It almost always makes an @sshole.
According to the law of several countries, including the United States and United Kingdom, deceiving someone in order to sleep with them is raping them. You can disagree all you like, but that's the law.
I'll add my two cents on the subject.
This reminds me of an Arthurian legend I read in high school. King Arthur's half-sister, Morgana, was mad at him. For revenge, she used magic to disguise herself as Arthur's wife so he would sleep with her. Even at fourteen, I thought that was rape. Rape is when someone has sex with you without your consent. Arthur was giving consent to his wife, not his sister. In my opinion, he was raped.
Deceiving isn't rape, it just being an @sshole. Many guys out at the bars on a weekend are there to pickup girls, not get all permanent relationshippy but they wont necessarily tell the girl that they are just there for the night. If she agrees to have sex with one of them because she thought it might lead to something longer-term, finds out he just had a good time and doesn't call, it doesn't magically convert into rape.
If you pretend to be rich and snag a woman on that note, seduce her and then she finds out you aren't rich, the deception makes you an @ss and her feel stupid but it doesn't make it rape.
You sleep with someone who either lies about their STD status or it doesn't come up, you find out days later the person has herpes, the deception doesn't make the sex rape. You MAY have a reason to sue depending on the lawyer, or maybe not. It makes that person a total sh*t but not a rapist. If they have HIV and didn't divulge, the deception doesn't make it rape, it does make it a crime but the crime isn't rape.
If you pick up a woman at a bar, get hot and heavy and it turns out she's actually a he, you may be pissed (and horribly mortified and embarrassed) but there was no rape.
I don't do dragony wizardy games so I cannot address the issue you speak to but if a drug is used, then that becomes rape. Deception in and of itself doesn't make a rape. It almost always makes an @sshole.
you're on a roll today, let me know where you live so I can avoid that neck of the woods
you're on a roll today, let me know where you live so I can avoid that neck of the woods
I'm actually scared 
Me personally, I agree with Getorex. Maybe he's an ass, but it's not rape. Rape is for unwilling participants. If you go into a courtroom and claim, "I thought he had money, but he doesn't!" the judge will almost laugh you out of the courtroom.
EDIT : I mean, at some point words have to mean something. "Rape by deception" isn't one of them. Because what if someone steals from you? "Rape by theft?" Yah, sure, let's lock them up for two crimes, instead of one.
Me personally, I agree with Getorex. Maybe he's an ass, but it's not rape. Rape is for unwilling participants. If you go into a courtroom and claim, "I thought he had money, but he doesn't!" the judge will almost laugh you out of the courtroom.
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While I see the scenarios you present often used, though mostly to criticise the definition, there are other scenarios and these scenarios are part of the reason why people reconsidered rape as being defined solely by threats or force;
One scenario is this; The perpertrator breaks into the home of the victim and impersonates the victim's significant other. The perpertrator takes advantage of the fact that the victim assumes that they are their significant other. The victim has consented to the sexual act and engages in it but they consented to the sexual act with their partner in the belief that it is their partner that they engage in it with. They did not consent to having sex with the perpertrator which their perpertrator is aware of.
A second scenario is this; the victim is involved with someone who has an identical twin. If the other identical twin impersonates the twin whom the victim is involved with to have sex with the victim, the same as above applies because the victim did not consent to having sexual interactions with the impersonating twin.
To put it differently and by using films as admittedly extreme examples; think of films where a supernatural being takes control over the mind of someone or someone undergoes plastic surgery to look identical to someone else. The supernatural being or the surgically-altered someone decides to take advantage of the significant other of the person they are impersonating. The significant other believes they are consenting to their spouse unaware of the actual identity of the impersonator.
Additionally, there are usually quite a few differences between being upset that a person at a bar lied to you to pick you up because you took them at their word of being a celebrity or rich and being traumatised because someone removed your ability to consent by impersonating someone they knew you knew and would personally trust.
Me personally, I agree with Getorex. Maybe he's an ass, but it's not rape. Rape is for unwilling participants. If you go into a courtroom and claim, "I thought he had money, but he doesn't!" the judge will almost laugh you out of the courtroom.
EDIT : I mean, at some point words have to mean something. "Rape by deception" isn't one of them. Because what if someone steals from you? "Rape by theft?" Yah, sure, let's lock them up for two crimes, instead of one.
That's a poor analogy. A better one would be claiming you won a Bahama cruise, and they need to receive the tax money before you can claim it. And in the end, there was no cruise
Edit: In context with what could have happened in the game, Shechinah gives a better example.
Bad wording? You aren't raping someone you've "seduced". Seduction doesn't imply force, it implies the normal way of doing it.
Rape or any other topic shouldn't be avoided just because someone will be offended. Boo-hoo. If it is important and works in a story/narrative, then it belongs. If it is just gratuitous or clumsy, then don't use it.
Using force is not the only way to rape somebody. According to actual rape cases, using force is one of the less common ways to commit the act.
Using force is not the only way to rape somebody. According to actual rape cases, using force is one of the less common ways to commit the act.
It is similar to how abuse is mostly known by the physical variant despite there being a variety with many of the types often being missed because the extreme type of abuse is the one most featured in literature, media and so forth to a degree where it can be counterproductive to actually preventing abuse or spreading awareness about the issue.
That's a poor analogy. A better one would be claiming you won a Bahama cruise, and they need to receive the tax money before you can claim it. And in the end, there was no cruise
Edit: In context with what could have happened in the game, Shechinah gives a better example.
That would be fraud, but still... Rape is a very defined process in our legal system.
While I see the scenarios you present often used, though mostly to criticise the definition, there are other scenarios and these scenarios are part of the reason why people reconsidered rape as being defined solely by threats or force;
One scenario is this; The perpertrator breaks into the home of the victim and impersonates the victim's significant other. The perpertrator takes advantage of the fact that the victim assumes that they are their significant other. The victim has consented to the sexual act and engages in it but they consented to the sexual act with their partner in the belief that it is their partner that they engage in it with. They did not consent to having sex with the perpertrator which their perpertrator is aware of.
A second scenario is this; the victim is involved with someone who has an identical twin. If the other identical twin impersonates the twin whom the victim is involved with to have sex with the victim, the same as above applies because the victim did not consent to having sexual interactions with the impersonating twin.
[snip 'cause I don't even know WTF you're talking about here]
Additionally, there are usually quite a few differences between being upset that a person at a bar lied to you to pick you up because you took them at their word of being a celebrity or rich and being traumatised because someone removed your ability to consent by impersonating someone they knew you knew and would personally trust.
All clearly defined statutes in our legal system.
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