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[Killdren88]

Honesty whether or not something can be construed as offensive to someone should never play a factor in the creative process. Why should a piece be cut off of the whole to appease the few people who find offense? If it makes sense to the story, then it should be allowed it, no sugar coating required. Using Game of Thrones as an example(Not my fault if you haven't read the books or watched the show at this point). Should HBO alter (more than what was done) from the books because some of the offensive nature? Should they have altered Cersie's walk of shame because it can be seen as harmful? Or altered the scene where Brienne was nearly raped by Boultons but stopped by Jamie, because not only it played into the old Damsel in distress bit, but also violence against women? If the answer is yes, then we'd have flat, boring character who never change because these character developing momments were altered because some people will get their knickers in a not.

[Applepie_Svk]

 

I would say that real SJWs are closest thing that this world has to real superheroes because they actually value life and common decency which makes them extremely moral and intellectually superior.

 

 

 

SJW are similiar to insane clowns, preaching equality and tolerance, shouting hate and oppresion, that´s what SJW looks like for anyone from outside of cyrcle for intelectually and morally superior demigods. Morality or intellect has nothing to do with being SJW, it´s quite opposite, that each SJW that marks his or her existence on the internet, ends up as a material of entertaiment.

 

Ah, and there was a lot of people believing into the ideologies of last century that thought about themselves as superior and guess how did they end up.

[Dantriges]

Seems to me the term SJW gets flung around a lot at lots of different people who happen to disagree with a thing, the particular poster said. Or just inserted randomly in a topic that is tangentially related.

 

I thought the question was, what do you think about including stuff like rape, child abuse/molestation, human trafficking and similar stuff, not "these evil SJWs wanna take away my pixel boobs."

[SnakeCode]

SJW are similiar clowns, preaching equality and tolerance, shouting hate and oppresion, that´s what SJW looks like for anyone from outside of cyrcle for intelectually and morally superior demigods. Morality or intellect has nothing to do with being SJW, it´s quite opposite, that each SJW that marks his or her existence on the internet, ends up as a material of entertaiment.

 

Ah, and there was a lot of people believing into the ideologies of last century that thought about themselves as superior and guess how did they end up.

 

Sargon's Law pretty much universally holds true.

 

'Whenever an ideologue makes a character judgement about someone they are debating with, that character judgement is usually true about themselves.'

 

They hate men but scream sexism from the rooftops.

They hate white people but see racism everywhere, and yet fail to see their own.

They talk about how they aren't allowed to have a voice, whilst censoring people who disagree with them.

 

I've grown fond of the term "crybully," because that's exactly what they are. They hurl abuse and impose nefarious motivations upon people, make defamatory claims about entire groups of people, then when people disagree and try to defend themselves they cry harassment and make out that they're the wronged party. It's sickening at times.

[KainD]

I thought the question was, what do you think about including stuff like rape, child abuse/molestation, human trafficking and similar stuff.

 

Should be present where it makes sense for it to be. 

[General TSAR]

DAI has an interview where they removed a scene where Leliana impostor seduced the Inquisitor, but it was removed because they perceive it as rape by one of the female staff members.

That would have been an interesting scenario in an otherwise stale game (okay, internal battle with Envy demon and the Red Templar uprising was pretty good), thanks BioWare.

 

 

I'm just waiting to hear what people's thoughts on this, and I hope people can avoid the snarky remarks in general.

Heh.

 

Anyway, BioWare's agenda leaves much to be desired when it comes to controversial subjects. Anything they explore will be hampered by bad writing and pandering. 

[KainD]

okay, internal battle with Envy demon and the Red Templar uprising was pretty good

 

I'm not even kidding, that was the worst part of the entire game for me. That demon showed me everything I wanted to do in Inquisition and couldn't.
A slap in the face.

[Lady Artifice]

Sargon's Law pretty much universally holds true.

 

'Whenever an ideologue makes a character judgement about someone they are debating with, that character judgement is usually true about themselves.'

 

They hate men but scream sexism from the rooftops.

They hate white people but see racism everywhere, and yet fail to see their own.

They talk about how they aren't allowed to have a voice, whilst censoring people who disagree with them.

 

I've grown fond of the term "crybully," because that's exactly what they are. They hurl abuse and impose nefarious motivations upon people, make defamatory claims about entire groups of people, then when people disagree and try to defend themselves they cry harassment and make out that they're the wronged party. It's sickening at times.

 

"Stereotypes, they're sensual, cultural weapons. That's the way we attack people. At an artistic level, stereotypes are terrible writing." Junot Diaz.

 

Add that they're also weak logic. 

 

"...the problem with stereotypes isn't that they're inaccurate, but that they're incomplete." -Taiye Selasi

 

When you promote a homogenized interpretation of a large group of people, the danger isn't necessarily being wrong (though it is, often enough, very out of context and over simplified), but of lumping too much under the blanket of the generalization. If ___ care about x, and y, and z--then anyone who might also be concerned with x must also be ___. 

[SnakeCode]

Case in point- Being lectured on why stereotyping is bad by the person that said "people are mostly terrible and dumb."

[Synthetic Turian]

The psychology used in this thread is quite powerful, as there is literally no right or wrong answer.

 

Bravo Battlebloodmage, bravo.

[Lady Artifice]

Case in point- Being lectured on why stereotyping is bad by the person that said "people are mostly terrible and dumb."

A weak comparison, when I lump myself into my generalization.

[Synthetic Turian]

Case in point- Being lectured on why stereotyping is bad by the person that said "people are mostly terrible and dumb."

 

That's merely something someone with "good manners" would say. Clearly.

 

The hypocrisy is strong. 

 

A weak comparison, when I lump myself into my generalization.

 

Not really. Its the main reason why I no longer acknowledge you.

 

(But, but, when I was referring to people, I put my self into that generalization)

 

Sure you were. Now, change your sig to: I'm mostly a terrible and dumb person, but I'm not the only one. 

[AresKeith]

There is a problem with roleplaying when the narrative is biased. 

 

You mean devs writing a narrative the way they want? 

[AresKeith]

Seems to me the term SJW gets flung around a lot at lots of different people who happen to disagree with a thing, the particular poster said. Or just inserted randomly in a topic that is tangentially related.

 

I thought the question was, what do you think about including stuff like rape, child abuse/molestation, human trafficking and similar stuff, not "these evil SJWs wanna take away my pixel boobs."

 

 

That's pretty much what it turns into now

 

[Degrees1991]

Oh such deep convo here. Though agree with me Lady even though corned herself with the earlier statement. Didn't think this thread be about PC but whatever.

[The Real Pearl #2]

Comedy gold indeed, limited likes has foiled me again

[The Real Pearl #2]

The psychology used in this thread is quite powerful, as there is literally no right or wrong answer.

 

Bravo Battlebloodmage, bravo.

if we are talking about serious stuff we need to not be one sided bigots. 

[Lady Artifice]

Oh such deep convo here. Though agree with me Lady even though corned herself with the earlier statement. Didn't think this thread be about PC but whatever.

Perhaps I did, though the irony is that my announcement of that opinion was a part of a self depricating acknowledgement of my own cynicism. It was not shared with pride so much as an effort to own up to my own failings.

Even so, assessing my right to make a point while disregarding the point itself is a quality smokescreen.

[Synthetic Turian]

I would say that real SJWs are closest thing that this world has to real superheroes because they actually value life and common decency which makes them extremely moral and intellectually superior.

 

 

if we are talking about serious stuff we need to not be one sided bigots. 

 

Don't mind me.

 

[The Real Pearl #2]

 

 

 

Don't mind me.

 

Sometimes, you baffle me with your memes. Neverchange.

[KainD]

You mean devs writing a narrative the way they want? 

 

They say it all the time: ''This is your story. It is up to you to make choices that matter.'' But it is a lie. If they want to tell a story the way they see fit, might as well go all the way with named protagonist with completely set background and character. Judging from DA:I it's already 90% set. 

[Mdizzletr0n]

The only topic I really don't want to see is terrorism, but I guess that won't make it in anyway. Everything else is fair game if it is handled correctly and well written

We already had terrorism. Remember Cerberus?

[Synthetic Turian]

Sometimes, you baffle me with your memes. Neverchange.

 

 

Not a chance.

[Applepie_Svk]

 

That's pretty much what it turns into now

 

 

Problem is that when you try to include some controversial content in eyes of SJW, you´re get shitload of criticism and that´s what happened with mentioned cut content. Instead of trying to bring a controversial content BioWare is pretty much avoiding it unless it´s works for SJW agenda about sunshine world. 

 

Like when femfreq criticized DA:O for scene in elven alianage, instead of doing research... 

[Synthetic Turian]

We already had terrorism. Remember Cerberus?

 

There was a little bit of racism sprinkled in there as well if I remember. Stupid KKK.