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[Iakus]

 
Why would I need to attack the post? I didn't sign a contract to either defend or attack his arguments before making my post.

You didn't.

 

But instead you attack the character of the author.  Like that invalidates his points.

[rossler]

Is it possible to play ME3 with the original ending if you have the Extended Cut installed? Or are you stuck because it's bound to your account and you can't uninstall it?

[Pee Jae]

You can't really uninstall it per se, but you can delete the dlc folder. IF you know its name. I can't remember it. I did that with Genesis because it was autoplaying... And you can always re-install it later.

[CronoDragoon]

You didn't.

But instead you attack the character of the author. Like that invalidates his points.

Why are you assuming I was trying to invalidate his points?

[q5tyhj]

 I just don't see why you would refuse to try a fan made ending just because you like the official ones

Yeah that makes sense... I mean, if you enjoy and are perfectly content with something why not try replacing it with something different? BTW, I have a copy of [insert your favorite book or movie here] with an unofficial, lower quality fan-made ending tacked on- I'm sure you're interested in checking it out, right? No?  

[Iakus]

Why are you assuming I was trying to invalidate his points?

 

 

 

I remember that guy. He used to spend quite a bit of time passive-aggressively berating anyone who said they liked the ending with his "Oh no, it's fine, it just means you like genocide!" nonsense. It was somehow more annoying than Auld Wolf's blatant disses.

 

Now that you've smeared his name, you gonna argue his actual points, or was this just a drive-by?

[voteDC]

Is it possible to play ME3 with the original ending if you have the Extended Cut installed? Or are you stuck because it's bound to your account and you can't uninstall it?

Move the folder DLC_CON_END to another location and you will get the original endings. Though with an existing save you would need to use a save editor to remove the DLC dependency from it.

 

Yeah that makes sense... I mean, if you enjoy and are perfectly content with something why not try replacing it with something different? BTW, I have a copy of [insert your favorite book or movie here] with an unofficial, lower quality fan-made ending tacked on- I'm sure you're interested in checking it out, right? No?  

Actually yes. I've read fan written endings to not only the Mass Effect Trilogy, but Harry Potter, Star Wars, there are whole sites with stories spinning off from events in game, TV show, or comic book.

Now I fully admit that the quality of those stories are, let's be charitable here, somewhat variable. From very bad to stuff that is good enough for commercial release.

Do I regret reading any of them, no because even the bad ones were a new experience. Well okay, maybe I regret reading the Face/Murdock slash fiction.

[CronoDragoon]

Now that you've smeared his name, you gonna argue his actual points, or was this just a drive-by?

I don't know how to make this any clearer, but I wasn't interested in the article points nor did I ever give an indication I was. Unless all his article does is accuse people who liked the ending of being okay with genocide at large.

I haven't even read your link. I recognized the name. On the other hand, I did start reading the link from the post you quoted, and also found that article very annoying, what with an actual sentence saying, "It's no surprise people who don't know astrobiology didn't like or understand the ending."

Somehow I doubt that if I had called that guy annoying, you'd be taking me to task at all. So let's skip your cherrypicking, if it's all the same to you.
 

[Iakus]

I don't know how to make this any clearer, but I wasn't interested in the article points nor did I ever give an indication I was. Unless all his article does is accuse people who liked the ending of being okay with genocide at large.
 

Then why respond to the post at all?

 

 

 

I haven't even read your link. I recognized the name. On the other hand, I did start reading the link from the post you quoted, and also found that article very annoying, what with an actual sentence saying, "It's no surprise people who don't know astrobiology didn't like or understand the ending."

 

Did you take the time to insult that author too?  

 

 

 

Somehow I doubt that if I had called that guy annoying, you'd be taking me to task at all. So let's skip your cherrypicking, if it's all the same to you.

Maybe.  We may never know.  But you said you found the article annoying.  Rather than insult the author personally.  Me, I didn't attack anyone, and simply linked an article more in tune with what I think of the endings rather than go off on somone I disagreed with

 

But if you're not interested in actually debating the merits of either blog post, I'll just step back

[CronoDragoon]

Then why respond to the post at all?

 

 

Did you take the time to insult that author too?  

 

 

Maybe.  We may never know.  But you said you found the article annoying.  Rather than insult the author personally.  Me, I didn't attack anyone, and simply linked an article more in tune with what I think of the endings rather than go off on somone I disagreed with

 

But if you're not interested in actually debating the merits of either blog post, I'll just step back

 

These are sort of meaningless semantics. I specified that I found drayfish annoying because of his posts on the board. Not because he has a high, whiny voice or something. So my "attack on his character" was always a product of what he chose to post. Similarly, I found the other article's author annoying because he was being condescending in his article. So he was annoying due to that condescension. Articles always reflect their authors. Condescension in an article is due to condescension in the author. "Attacking" the author (dramatically overblown as you're making it) is therefore perfectly fair so long as I limit it to the scope of their writing, which I did.

[ZipZap2000]

The ending was half finished, there were near 2 dimensional objects on the beam run. The original explanation for the reapers was so half assed they had to re-explain it (and it still didn't make sense to some people).

Best seats in the house felt like it was a perfectly good ending, which caused me to blow my wad early and made the rest felt like unnecessary overkill.

Then there's the Shepard breathes drama ems and the like, they actually altered the story (post release) here to change it from an achievable Easter egg to a canon ending due to a misinterpretation on our part.

Then there's the cut scenes that made no sense if you romanced a character from me2 and not 1 which was later changed as well.

The fleets were stranded which also needed to be changed, along with the destruction of the relays which essentially killed off a viable galactic community.

They went so far as to add extra explosions to the blast wave scenes because it didn't appear to have big enough explosions to cover the galaxy.

The ending invalidates itself twice in 10 minutes. To the point bioware had to tell everyone to ignore Buzz Aldrin. Despite the fact he made the entire trilogy up to impress his grandkids.

In short it was so bad they had to completely rewrite the entire thing and release and Extended version to have it all make even a modicum of sense.

More power to you if you like it though.

At least someone did.

[rossler]

They didn't rewrite anything. They expanded on what was already there.

[themikefest]

I would be curious why they couldn't include the flashbacks that are seen with the extended cut, when Shepard is making her/his ending choice, in the original ending

[oddball_bg]

They didn't rewrite anything. They expanded on what was already there.

Exactly!

[Reorte]

They didn't rewrite anything. They expanded on what was already there.

They changed some other things - cutting off before the relay blew to smithereens was quite significant.

[themikefest]

The scene showing the thrusters being ripped from the fuselage even if ems is very high was changed. Now if ems is above 2600, no damage to the Normandy and it flies off the unknown planet.

[KrrKs]

They didn't rewrite anything. They expanded on what was already there.

Galaxy PreEC: Everyone is dead or slowly dying

Galaxy postEC: Except for a quite large number of dead, most of the galaxy's inhabitants live [free of/under control of/ merged with] the Reapers.

 

 

 

Didn't change one bit...

[Iakus]

The scene showing the thrusters being ripped from the fuselage even if ems is very high was changed. Now if ems is above 2600, no damage to the Normandy and it flies off the unknown planet.

Which made no sense before, and even less sense in EC

 

Unless they simply wanted to check the "Garden of Eden" box in the Religious Allegory Office Bingo game.

[angol fear]

They didn't rewrite anything. They expanded on what was already there.

 

Well, I have to disagree with you on this point. There are few important details that changed. But actually the EC is more a compromise than a real rewrite. Bioware only added things people wanted and that wouldn't change the story of the ending.

Anyway, the EC doesn't mean that Bioware failed with the ending. They have done it because people complained so much (just because they couldn't understand that ending) that they wanted to do that compromise. From a writing point of view the original ending fits better than the extended cut because the structure was written this way.

 

 

Galaxy PreEC: Everyone is dead or slowly dying

Galaxy postEC: Except for a quite large number of dead, most of the galaxy's inhabitants live [free of/under control of/ merged with] the Reapers.

 

 

 

Didn't change one bit...

 

That's your interpretation, which wasn't intented by Bioware (it has been been said by Casey Hudson). And seriously, there are only the haters on internet who came to that conclusion in order to make people who wanted a happy ending hate the ending even more.

[AlanC9]

I remember that guy. He used to spend quite a bit of time passive-aggressively berating anyone who said they liked the ending with his "Oh no, it's fine, it just means you like genocide!" nonsense. It was somehow more annoying than Auld Wolf's blatant disses.

This gave me an acute attack of nostalgia.

[AlanC9]

Galaxy PreEC: Everyone is dead or slowly dying
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I never understood how anybody seriously believed this. I know that people did, of course, but I don't see the mechanism.

[rossler]

Well, I have to disagree with you on this point. There are few important details that changed. But actually the EC is more a compromise than a real rewrite. Bioware only added things people wanted and that wouldn't change the story of the ending.

 

Anyway, the EC doesn't mean that Bioware failed with the ending. They have done it because people complained so much (just because they couldn't understand that ending) that they wanted to do that compromise. From a writing point of view the original ending fits better than the extended cut because the structure was written this way.

 

What important details did they change?

 

I don't really recall anything other than a few scenes and lines of dialogue inserted into the already existing content.

[KaiserShep]

They have done it because people complained so much (just because they couldn't understand that ending) that they wanted to do that compromise. 

 

I think this is my favorite part, because obviously anyone who dislikes the original ending is some sort of dense plebeian that just can't appreciate such a sophisticated narrative. 

[MichaelN7]

First of all MAJOR SPOILERS ABOUT EVERYTHING!!!I should start with the fact that i am not a mass effect fanatic and just recently completed 3(and thus the whole trilogy,i have all 3 games) and i must say  that this is the third time where a game sticks with me days after completing it and I feel so emotional about what it represents in general(the other two games are bioshock infinite which is my favourite game in the world and braid,which is just pure genius).The whole reveal that The Reapers are actually  constantly restarting the whole organic civilization just to preserve it from destroying itself was absolute shock(in a good emotional way) and was ingenius!And the whole bittersweetness of the entire ending with all 3 main choices felt very very right with a hurricane of emotions in me which i cannot help but share in here.So the reapers are actually nothing but tools,they don't think for their own,they don't have free will and cannot make choices.they are just poor machines designed for one reason.they are not interested in war,as the starchild states.they just do what they are programmed to.and at the end you basically play the role of a god deciding not only the fate of all organic life(and synthetic)but also decide the state of this life(if you choose synthesis with synthetics)thus even creating new kind of consciousness(again,if you choose synthesis)!Many people say that the ending makes most of the choices pointless but that's the beauty of it because it strikes you with something FAR bigger and unexpected than ANY of your choices throughout the whole trilogy!I read somewhere in a post that the whole third game is one big ending and i absolutely agree on that.Your choices matter throughout the whole game(on my second playthrough most of my friends died and i didn't allow Alenko on Normandy just to see what will happen,plus i don't like him that much,and ended up with only 4 squadmates which changes not only the story but even the gameplay as well).So,your previous choices matter throughout the game and at the end you are presented with something so big as a choice that it's hardly comprehensible for a human mind.I felt exactly like Shepard when he just says:"I...I don't know."Very simple and very powerful!I personally chose to destroy the reapers but does this choice doom the entire organic life in the long run by destroying the force that "restarts" it and thus keeping it from destroying itself?!I don't know,and that's the power of it.I guess many people just expected an "I win and let's all have a party in the citadel,drinks are on me!",kind of ending and didn't know what to feel when they were presented with these choices and facts,and,imo,it's exactly what the ending was intended to make you feel!A range of emotions:fear,sadness,joy,bitterness etc.Now,i haven't followed the interviews with bioware prior to the release of the game,so i didn't know what to expect.When i started the game i just knew"the ending is bad,man..." by reading different childish posts.And I experienced one of the most sophisticated,philosophical and emotional thing in a videogame so far!I go on with my daily life,do different things we do in life and just can't stop thinking about it,about the incomprehensible magnitude of it!

So,yeah,i just needed to share it with you guys.I'm sure it's all have been talked to death but i couldn't just say nothing.The whole thing makes you want to talk!Also,i don't know who is the music composer but the music is one of the biggest things that represents the trilogy,it's just so good.It has this 80's futuristic vibe that i noticed from the start of the first game.

I am a hardcore gamer and am usually all about the gameplay and just don't expect a game story to grab me,let alone make me feel different things but mass effect proved me wrong,and i am glad!Each time i watched the endings i was so close to start crying,seeing the struggle of all species,seeing the reapers reason and seeing that there is not one single straightforward solution to all this.IT felt so gentle and poetic!

Finally!

 

Someone understands!

[Dantriges]

I never understood how anybody seriously believed this. I know that people did, of course, but I don't see the mechanism.

 

AFAIK it´s an interpretation based on the mass relay being destroyed in (most of) the endings and that the Alpha Relay in the Arrival DLC went supernova when it was destroyed. It probably wasn´t their intention to suggest that you blew up the galaxy in the process of saving it.

 

The second argument was something along the lines that, with the destruction of the relays, galactic society is more or less finished. The dextro dudes around Earth would probably starve before they arrive somewhere where they could get something for the toeat, colonies that depend on food import will probably starve. I´ve the feeling that Illium is one of them for example. As far as we know the council species were unable to repair the relays so that´s it. Some people saved, the restdies and the galaxy is a wasteland. Wasn´t there actually a statement from Hudson or Walters "Why a sequel, the galaxy is a wasteland now?"

 

The EC added that the mass relays can be repaired, probably because no one wanted to suggest that you blew up the galaxy or the rest of civilisation the Reapers left standing.